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Nexus1972
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Daedalus Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:42:00 -
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Okay I'm sure i've seen this talked about before, but due to the really bad search function on this forum and the fact i dont want to trawl through 100's of pages of topics to find the wreckage one i'm posting this here.
I hapily do level 4 missions and am more than happy to have the rewards nerfed. To be honest they need more risk. If someone wants to come and steal my cans i'm more than happy to engage in pvp to defend them. The problem is ninja salvagers can come in at no risk to themselves in an exequeror and mop up all the salvage and there isnt a damn thing pvp wise i can do to stop them short of suiciding them. How about making wreckage flagable and nerfing 4's rewards wise at the same time - maintains balance and introduces some real risk to people who ninja salvage from npc corps which are untouchable apart from suicidng which due to the proposed changes to insurance etc is pretty pointless. The only way I could get rid of my leech was to cacnel the mission. He then after refusing to take from a can to flag himself suggested i should go play kitty online when it is he who wants to be safe from repurcusions.
WHy should ninja salvagers, contract scammers be without risk to themselves. How about making it so we can see who alt characters actually are. I'd be more than happy for people to see my alts - why shouldnt others.
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Pat Sharpe's Potato Rodeo
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Siberys
Gallente
Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:43:00 -
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IBTF
Why should lvl4 carebears have all the money? IDK either.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:44:00 -
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Instead of trawling through 100 pages you could go to missions and exploration and look at the sticky posted at the top of the page.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:50:00 -
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Long story short, if you want your salvage too, then:
a) leave the highly populated hubs
or
b) salvage as you run the mission
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SHOPS || Mission rewards revamp || better nanofix
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:55:00 -
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You do own the wreck. You do not own the salvaging rights. Try reading the correct forum mebbe? I mean it is in the sticky in the mission forum
 Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
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http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Nexus1972
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Daedalus Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Long story short, if you want your salvage too, then:
a) leave the highly populated hubs
or
b) salvage as you run the mission
A) wasnt in hub, was a 0.6
B) i was, but i cant compete against a ship solely for salvaging with no offensive capability
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Nexus1972
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Daedalus Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
You do own the wreck. You do not own the salvaging rights. Try reading the correct forum mebbe? I mean it is in the sticky in the mission forum
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Yes that isnt exactly a discussion its just a statement
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Pat Sharpe's Potato Rodeo
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Efdi
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:12:00 -
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Bawww.
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:13:00 -
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To understand why, you'd have to go back and read the dev blogs when wrecks and salvagers were first introduced.
It was never intended for wrecks to be private property. They were intended to be in the public domain, and salvaging was intended to be a profession, like mining.
Long story short. A wreck is yours if you get to it first. Otherwise, it's up for grabs. This isn't a bug, it's a feature.
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
A) wasnt in hub, was a 0.6
B) i was, but i cant compete against a ship solely for salvaging with no offensive capability
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Yes that isnt exactly a discussion its just a statement
You, mean, you might have to play with other people in a MMO ? Say it aint so !
Exactly its a statement, there is nothing to discuss.
PS: Love the way you try to sneak your own whine in by siding with the FOTM whine.
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Piper Halliwell
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:15:00 -
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To steal from a guy the other day that I saw post this,
FFS
I think it applies to the whole "It is my salvage" whine.
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You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:15:00 -
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the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE is on the way
Originally by: Lorz0r
garmon is 90% Surfin's PlunderBunny,
10% er...Surfin's PlunderBunny
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
Originally by: Vaal Erit
You do own the wreck. You do not own the salvaging rights. Try reading the correct forum mebbe? I mean it is in the sticky in the mission forum
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Yes that isnt exactly a discussion its just a statement
Kinda the point, there is no room for discussion, its perfectly acceptable for people to do it hence no criminal flag
Would just get abused anyway
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
B) i was, but i cant compete against a ship solely for salvaging with no offensive capability
Yes you can. Fit a named 1200mm in that last CNR slot; alpha the cans as the salvager approaches.
Alternatively, use a marauder. You can fit your guns AND a couple of tractors or salvagers. Which reach out and touch cans all the way over ---> there.
You could also warp out. Then he has to warp out. Repeat until bored.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
Yes that isnt exactly a discussion its just a statement
That's because there really isn't anything to discuss: that is the way the game is designed.
Salvage has always been intended to be a fair game enterprise open to whoever gets it first.
That is the way the salvage mini-game is supposed to work.
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Uzume Ame
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:24:00 -
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Salvaging others wrecks should flag one; being able to use tractors on others wrecks/cans should be possible. Win.
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
A) wasnt in hub, was a 0.6
Security status does not denote if you are in a hub or not...
Agent level & quality does.
So, where were you?
-- Baldrikk
Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: Nexus1972
B) i was, but i cant compete against a ship solely for salvaging with no offensive capability
You could also warp out. Then he has to warp out. Repeat until bored.
When the mission runner does this it is the most effective way of getting me to leave.
He shoots the wreck, that makes it more of a challenge :-)
-- Baldrikk
Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Piper Halliwell
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bald Rikk
Originally by: Nexus1972
A) wasnt in hub, was a 0.6
Security status does not denote if you are in a hub or not...
Agent level & quality does.
So, where were you?
LOL Agent leve and quality does not denote if you are in a hub or not, the number of people in local running missions does. There are far better agents than those in mission hubs and I am not including 0.0 or low sec. Generally mission hubs are there because people can run mission on macro (yes people like that actually exist) and it has a thriving market.
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You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:39:00 -
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Remove any wreck ownership. No more confusion about to whom they belong. Period.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Piper Halliwell
LOL Agent leve and quality does not denote if you are in a hub or not, the number of people in local running missions does. There are far better agents than those in mission hubs and I am not including 0.0 or low sec. Generally mission hubs are there because people can run mission on macro (yes people like that actually exist) and it has a thriving market.
Fair point
Although it isn't common that a hub has L4's below Q10.
Should have just said high quality faction navy agents (Better LP rewards in most cases)
-- Baldrikk
Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.26 23:18:00 -
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While I'd much rather enjoy watching paint dry than take the time and effort to steal salvage, and I view the whole concept of salvage theft as rather lame,.... don't expect CCP to make a change to it any time soon.
Its a pretty safe bet that CCP views salvage theft (and it IS theft) a lot like they view ore theft and can flipping.
Don't expect any big changes to the game mechanics of the issue. I've no doubt that 2 or 3 years from now, we'll still have people doing it.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.08.26 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Alora Venoda on 26/08/2008 23:28:19
someone in your mission stealing salvage? get an alt or buddy with an interceptor to bump that salvager mercilessly to keep him away 
counter lame tactics with your own lame tactics
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.26 23:32:00 -
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So, here's a question.
Can you remote repair a wreck?
Because if so, ninja salvagers have a way to stop people shooting wrecks out from under them.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.26 23:37:00 -
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How about making wrecks only salvagable in low/0.0 sec systems, and only lootable containers in >= 0.5 systems ?
I think that would solve your problem because if they take from your can then you get kill rights.
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Lord Zarcam
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.27 00:41:00 -
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As as new player, and new to salvaging, I see both sides of the arguement. One problem I have seen since starting this game is that many players never salvage their wreck, and some never loot them. Especially miners.
I would like to see a compromise of lets say, the wreck and the loot belong to the killer for one hour, then both the loot and the wreck are free game for up to 2 hours. The person who kills the rat has time to claim what they want, and then everyone else gets to collect what is left over without fear of attack.
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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Somealt Ofmine
This isn't a bug, it's a feature.
Sniff, My favorite MMO line!
If you think about it Salvage on the high seas is open to all... It's the way it is. If you want to be able to fight for your salvage then run missions in low sec or Free space. I dont' think a dedicated salvage ship that has little offensive firepoer is going to want to go up against a ship with a decent amount....
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Ashlee Darksky
Minmatar
Forum Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
Okay I'm sure i've seen this talked about before, but due to the really bad search function on this forum and the fact i dont want to trawl through 100's of pages of topics to find the wreckage one i'm posting this here.
I hapily do level 4 missions and am more than happy to have the rewards nerfed. To be honest they need more risk. If someone wants to come and steal my cans i'm more than happy to engage in pvp to defend them. The problem is ninja salvagers can come in at no risk to themselves in an exequeror and mop up all the salvage and there isnt a damn thing pvp wise i can do to stop them short of suiciding them. How about making wreckage flagable and nerfing 4's rewards wise at the same time - maintains balance and introduces some real risk to people who ninja salvage from npc corps which are untouchable apart from suicidng which due to the proposed changes to insurance etc is pretty pointless. The only way I could get rid of my leech was to cacnel the mission. He then after refusing to take from a can to flag himself suggested i should go play kitty online when it is he who wants to be safe from repurcusions.
WHy should ninja salvagers, contract scammers be without risk to themselves. How about making it so we can see who alt characters actually are. I'd be more than happy for people to see my alts - why shouldnt others.
I think it's funny when people salvage my missions  No, really I do. Hats off to them for engaging in an isk making activity with little risk - thats not "unfair" thats just being smart.
Either, as has been said before;
1. Salvage as you go
2. Move to less populated areas
3. Leave the mission open whilst you salvage (deadspace is harder to scan out!!)
4. Do all of the above
It's not like they can use tractor beams on your wrecks anyway, so the potential turnover is pretty low.
We need more ninja salvagers, not less!
Also, consider this a nerf on your mission isk reward and loot reward - you said yourself you were happy for this. For once, it's player enforced and not by CCP.
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nutbar
Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:34:00 -
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I have one question about wreck ownership... If anyone can salvage a wreck (that doesn't belong to them) without getting an aggression countdown timer, why can't I shoot someone elses wreck without being concorded?
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Miki Fin
Gallente
Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
I think it's funny when people salvage my missions No, really I do. Hats off to them for engaging in an isk making activity with little risk - thats not "unfair" thats just being smart.
So when I run lvl 4 missions in high sec, that's being smart and they don't need to be nerfed at all?
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