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Alberico DeSandre
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Posted - 2008.08.31 00:25:00 -
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As a newb player, I can't see a single reason as to why i'd want to leave an NPC corporation while i'm in highsec space. As much as i'd like to form a corp with some buddies i'd rather not risk getting my ass ganked by someone flying a ship worth about a million isk.
OP is pretty much right. Doing level 4s solo is pretty easy and the pay is ok: carebear, fine. Ganking mission runner ships in a replaceable pvp setup is about as easy as breathing and the payout is insane: not a carebear though, because when they set orbit, scram, and guns and afk for 5 minutes they are killing players not NPCs.
Want carebears to be less prevalent in high sec? Buff the HELL out of lowsec missions/agents. Massive buffs. We're talking level 3 mission difficulty but above level 4 pay. That's what it would take to get even a fraction of the players out of the safety of highsec because to NOT be visited by a pirate while on a lowsec mission is the exception not the norm.
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Nexus Kinnon
A Few Good Men.
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Posted - 2008.08.31 00:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Alberico DeSandre
As a newb player, I can't see a single reason as to why i'd want to leave an NPC corporation while i'm in highsec space.
Quit the game now. You're a year or two away from a comedy fitted ratting carrier lossmail and a whine thread on CAOD.
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Cyb3r Thr3at
Gallente
Mnemonic Enterprises
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.31 05:10:00 -
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Right on Nexus.. right on!
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z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.08.31 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Alberico DeSandre
i'd rather not risk getting my ass ganked by someone flying a ship worth about a million isk.
You wouldn't fight a frigate? :(
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.31 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
hurr me likey shiney loot hurr
I say this like a prayer... daily. 
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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ImUrDestiny
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.31 08:29:00 -
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I stopped reading at "risk for reward".
Go die troll.
(ingame)
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Jilly Serkov
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Posted - 2008.08.31 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alberico DeSandre
As a newb player, I can't see a single reason as to why i'd want to leave an NPC corporation while i'm in highsec space. As much as i'd like to form a corp with some buddies i'd rather not risk getting my ass ganked by someone flying a ship worth about a million isk.
OP is pretty much right. Doing level 4s solo is pretty easy and the pay is ok: carebear, fine. Ganking mission runner ships in a replaceable pvp setup is about as easy as breathing and the payout is insane: not a carebear though, because when they set orbit, scram, and guns and afk for 5 minutes they are killing players not NPCs.
Want carebears to be less prevalent in high sec? Buff the HELL out of lowsec missions/agents. Massive buffs. We're talking level 3 mission difficulty but above level 4 pay. That's what it would take to get even a fraction of the players out of the safety of highsec because to NOT be visited by a pirate while on a lowsec mission is the exception not the norm.
And make lowsec a carebear zone too ? Since all that would happen is that the existing lowsec population would just start doing these more lucrative missions to finance more of the same.
There is no incentive that wpuld make die-hard L4 missionrunners move out of hisec. Remove L4's from hisec and these people would IMO leave the game. Its something CCP have wanted to change but have already realised they cannot. People will pay to play the game their way - remove it and they will leave.
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Nexus Kinnon
A Few Good Men.
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Posted - 2008.08.31 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
hurr me likey shiney loot hurr
I say this like a prayer... daily.
I say it every time i hit approach on a shuttle wreck... I'm never lucky though /o\ 
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.08.31 17:45:00 -
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undock, consent to pvp, etc
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Napolie
Gallente
A Few Good Men.
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Posted - 2008.08.31 20:38:00 -
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Its a CNR, A worm, NO it's obvious troll!
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DarthJosh
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.31 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg
The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas
/thread
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Desusigs! |
Xasz
AnTi.
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Posted - 2008.09.01 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: DarthJosh
Originally by: Firkragg
The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas
/thread
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.09.01 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tam A
Maybe it's always been a part of eve and is just becoming more popular or maybe it's just the latest cool thing to try and brag about in C&P to try and make a name for your self, to be honest I don't know.
What I am talking about is these corps who war deck other high sec corps to try and kill multi bill ISK ships. Now I agree that the risk for reward ratio for those living in high sec is to high. However the guys you are harassing have already taken on more risk then many of the high sec dwellers just by leaving the safety of the NPC corp.
My concerns with this tactic is as I already stated is that I feel the risk for reward ratio in high sec to too great. And it is my opinion the risk for reward ration in high sec is actually greater for the people in these corps who are harassing other high sec corps then it is for anyone else. I mean really these people aren't taking on any more risk then any other high sec corp and are in a position to make more isk for time spent then any other high sec dweller.
Now I hate these uber mission pwning CNRs as much as the next guy. I just don't get why these people are so embraced by the same people who complain that high sec dwellers have it too easy. Maybe I am missing something?
Ok now let the flaming and war decs commence. In the process maybe one of you can fill me in on what I am missing.
Thanks
Wait maybe I already answered this question my self while waiting for the forum to let me log back in. Could it really be all about causing another person grief?
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tripodbilly
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Posted - 2008.09.02 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
hurr me likey shiney loot hurr
I say this like a prayer... daily.
This and isk buyer in faction BS = happy pwirate
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Tor Celion
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Posted - 2008.09.02 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Beltantis Torrence
People like easy targets. Its a universal truth of human nature.
Now that makes sense, sorry guys but if you operate in high sec most of the time it doesnt matter what you do, you are still a carebear - You can earn more money quicker in 0.0, unless yourlucky and you stumble on uber stuff 
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Tor Celion
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Posted - 2008.09.02 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: tripodbilly
This and isk buyer in faction BS = happy pwirate
how can you tell an isk buyer apart from the others? Apart from the obvious month old noob with a officer fit faction ship that is....
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.02 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nexa Necis on 02/09/2008 17:05:32
You forget, for some of us, it's a lot of fun. Also some of these corps ask to be dec'd. You take their ore, and they swear up and down you're going to die once their corp or alliance war decs you. Of course, they rarely do, so we dec them and the tears flow.
As far as risk vs reward, the people flying those billion ISK ships during war time are taking a very high risk for a fairly poor reward. I mean really you can run level 4s in a basic Raven or Drake even. So running them in a 5 billion ISK during a war is downright foolish.
Part of it is the grief aspect. You can read my latest story about it here.
We dec all sorts of corps. One of the last corps we dec'd we're self proclaimed PvP'ers scooting around in their faction BS's. They all jumped corp a few times, we chased, they smack talked constantly. They died every single time we caught them. They jumped into another corp, again all proclaimed PvP'ers who after dying a few times ran out to low sec, ruined their sec status and said we suck because we didn't follow to kill them. Oh yeah, even though all their mails were full of smack daring us to dec them and them telling us we sucked, they tried to hire one of the top merc outfits, REPO, to kill us. Crazy!
What they fail to mention is that they're a German corp hiding in Fensi which has a large population of German pirate gate campers. All of their kills are with 5-10 others, never solo, and no real risk by them. Funny, high sec was too hard for them to handle.
It's going to be put in my next story. Good times!
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Fyrkraag
Caldari
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:03:00 -
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Tam A,
Plenty of Wartargets in FW, and in low sec. Pirates that kill and get killed in the mix. Lots of battles to be had in 0.0 too. Plenty of war decs going on all the time, many corps do them mutually. Carnage is everywhere in Eve.
Oh wait, you'd rather cry about high sec ISK grinders. Does this mean you can't roll with the big boys, or are you asking for a carebear nerf because one of them owned you?
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