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Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:03:00 - [1] Maybe it's always been a part of eve and is just becoming more popular or maybe it's just the latest cool thing to try and brag about in C&P to try and make a name for your self, to be honest I don't know. What I am talking about is these corps who war deck other high sec corps to try and kill multi bill ISK ships. Now I agree that the risk for reward ratio for those living in high sec is to high. However the guys you are harassing have already taken on more risk then many of the high sec dwellers just by leaving the safety of the NPC corp. My concerns with this tactic is as I already stated is that I feel the risk for reward ratio in high sec to too great. And it is my opinion the risk for reward ration in high sec is actually greater for the people in these corps who are harassing other high sec corps then it is for anyone else. I mean really these people aren't taking on any more risk then any other high sec corp and are in a position to make more isk for time spent then any other high sec dweller. Now I hate these uber mission pwning CNRs as much as the next guy. I just don't get why these people are so embraced by the same people who complain that high sec dwellers have it too easy. Maybe I am missing something? Ok now let the flaming and war decs commence. In the process maybe one of you can fill me in on what I am missing. Thanks Wait maybe I already answered this question my self while waiting for the forum to let me log back in. Could it really be all about causing another person grief?
Love DNGD Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:04:00 - [2] Troll.
Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Love DNGD Troll. See now if I was in an NPC corp or lived in high sec I would buy that. However if you do your homework you will see that is not the case. So my valid question stands. I would really like to know what it is that leads one type of no risk high sec player to be so loved while others are so hated.
Haalanii	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:10:00 - [4] People who play Eve to kill things prefer to blow up expensive things because of killboard stats. The possible faction and officer drops are also an incentive. As for why people war dec empire corps to begin with; grief may be a part of it. Boredom is another common reason. The desire to make profit may be the main factor in some cases as well. GJ troll you wasted 2 minutes of my life.
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:15:00 - [5] let me break it down into words you might understand hurr me likey shiney loot hurr
mahj Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:17:00 - [6] Its obvious, they need an outlet for there internal rage so they dont jump out the window at work. Greifing someone else does this very well for the short term. Long term though its just a bandaid on a compound fracture.
the member Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Love DNGD Troll. dis Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Tam A Originally by: Love DNGD Troll. See now if I was in an NPC corp or lived in high sec I would buy that. However if you do your homework you will see that is not the case. So my valid question stands. I would really like to know what it is that leads one type of no risk high sec player to be so loved while others are so hated. You. IT'S YOU! [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Tam A on 27/08/2008 13:16:09 Kill board whoring isn't something I had considered thanks. I can see that asking many of you to think is like beating a dead horse. I guess I am not surprised. Anyway keep up the good work that keeps many players clinging to the NPC corp like a new born to a mothers nipple. Once CCP makes changes to insurance pay outs these guys will be near untouchable as a means of profit and you will never get them out of the NPC corps. Guess I will just have to wait and see if grief is the real motivation.
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:47:00 - [10] The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Tam A Now I agree that the risk for reward ratio for those living in high sec is to high. However the guys you are harassing have already taken on more risk then many of the high sec dwellers just by leaving the safety of the NPC corp. Not until they get war decced have they taken on any more risk than many of the high sec dwellers. Leaving the rest of your arguement as moot. _______________
Sol'Kanar Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Firkragg The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas I am Mexican, and I approve this message.
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:19:00 - [13] To someone who doesn't enjoy PvP, or hasn't done it; it would be hard to explain. The idea of killing a CNR because it is a rare ship, a tough ship and probably have the potential for excellent drops. Better than you would find most rats. :) But in truth PvP lends itself to an unknown. Fight enough Guristas and you know what to expect. kin dmg, Caldari ships, la la la. The missions, go to the forums and read up on mission x, fit ship, go into mission and go to sleep while you kill everything. (maybe a little dramatic) My point is, when you PvP a player you have an unknown setup, you have unknown support that can warp in, you can plan and plan, and then all of the sudden....WA POW....you get smacked down.... Or is you have sound tactics, you smack down. The thing most carebears forget is if you go through lowsec, you can get popped. The whole "I don't pvp so why can they kill my ship." Well you wandered into a bad section of town. You knew the risks and you took a chance. plain and simple. As for high sec...well I understand the suicide gank, but it just seems too much trouble for me to bother.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Goyda ...you have unknown support that can warp in, you can plan and plan, and then all of the sudden....WA POW....you get smacked down.... I see you guys had a couple of nice wa-pows last night. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:26:00 - [15] Interesting, I make a thread to try and understand why these high sec corps who go after mission runners aren't them selves considered carebears by the C&P crowd, everyone just assumes I am a high sec carebear and don't PVP.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:32:00 - [16] Here's the thing about ratios. They are like fractions with a numerator and denominator. If your risk/reward ratio is high, it means either high risk or low reward, or both. When you take this into account, none of what you typed makes any sense. Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Here's the thing about ratios. They are like fractions with a numerator and denominator. If your risk/reward ratio is high, it means either high risk or low reward, or both. When you take this into account, none of what you typed makes any sense. LOL Joe, I am talking about guys that hide in high sec just like many other carebears and if they are doing it right are probably making more money a week then all the other carebrears. I just don't understand why the C&P crowd doesn't see them as carebears. To me a carebear is anyone who operates in protected space as a means to make a protected income and try to avoid situations that could cost them a real loss. Mission runners make the ISK killing mindless NPCs. These corps I have been referring to make ISK killing clueless mission runners in the same high sec protected space. Seems like 2 sides of the same carebear coin to me. So on top of trying to understand that I am also trying to understand how this helps get people to move away from being carebears. I mean if they don't even feel safe in high sec how are we ever going to get them to join in to low sec?
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:40:00 - [18] Its just business. Where else would you find a target so lavishly fitted, yet relatively easy to counter their fit and make them explode? __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Grann Thefauto Minmatar Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:54:00 - [19] They're providing these corps with an incredible opportunity to learn PVP from experienced pvpers. Not only do they get the chance to fight hardened PVP corps and learn how to properly fit, why not to haul expensive things during a war, and why to never train Caldari, but they don't even have to leave high sec for it!! Even BETTER, the pvp corps will front the cost for this educational experience!! Call now for all the Education you can handle!! Its a win-win anyway you look at it.
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Tam A What I am talking about is these corps who war deck other high sec corps to try and kill multi bill ISK ships. Now I agree that the risk for reward ratio for those living in high sec is to high. However the guys you are harassing have already taken on more risk then many of the high sec dwellers just by leaving the safety of the NPC corp. Good point! It is unfair to wardec player corps because players in player corps are already taking a high risk of being wardeced because they are in a player corp.
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Tam A Edited by: Tam A on 27/08/2008 17:56:00 LOL Joe, I am talking about guys that hide in high sec just like many other carebears and if they are doing it right are probably making more money a week then all the other carebrears. I just don't understand why the C&P crowd doesn't see them as carebears. because these "carebears" are their alts?
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 27/08/2008 23:00:19 Originally by: Tam A I just don't understand why the C&P crowd doesn't see them as carebears? Because they are shooting people, not NPCs.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:36:00 - [23] I think if you experience an uncontrollable sinister laugh while playing EVE, you are not a carebear. Even if you are killing NPC rats, as long as you are being hilariously evil in your own mind, you are cool. Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
3cxO Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:36:00 - [24] Edited by: 3cxO on 28/08/2008 07:36:44 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I think if you experience an uncontrollable sinister laugh while playing EVE, you are not a carebear. Even if you are killing NPC rats, as long as you are being hilariously evil in your own mind, you are cool. imo, qft +1 ps: perkone+their 2.5k dps tanking drakes (lulz) ftw
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.28 10:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Tam A Maybe it's always been a part of eve and is just becoming more popular or maybe it's just the latest cool thing to try and brag about in C&P to try and make a name for your self, to be honest I don't know. Oh but you know. That's why you post. [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Terra Mikael I Am Not A Lawyer	Posted - 2008.08.28 11:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Tam A What I am talking about is these corps who war deck other high sec corps to try and kill multi bill ISK ships. Originally by: Tam A Could it really be all about causing another person grief? You know, somewhere in that post, there's a coherent thought. I thought maybe...just maybe... Nah... Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
Zraken Hawkwing	Posted - 2008.08.28 11:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Firkragg The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas I am Mexican, and I approve this message. I have this image stuck in my head. Thousands of kids with giant sticks whacking the hull of a CNR. It wont go away!
jimmyjam Gallente Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:05:00 - [28] Get back under the bridge troll.
Rok Tar	Posted - 2008.08.30 03:36:00 - [29] Obvious troll is obvious
Morbius Karlock	Posted - 2008.08.30 20:54:00 - [30] Just curious but it seems to me that the guys looking for people flying nice ships in high sec are also in high sec.... yet complain about people flying in high sec... Am i confused or is this about right? Also curiously enough is the prices involved in those there officer and deadspace items, i really cant imagine anyone dumb enough to put a couple of billion worth of mods in a cnr so would have thought the prices would have come down if people arent buying them? Me personally wouldnt spend a billion on a mod unless it was for a dread or something at least you couldnt get ganked in that... I think i am confused....

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