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Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:03:00 - [1] Maybe it's always been a part of eve and is just becoming more popular or maybe it's just the latest cool thing to try and brag about in C&P to try and make a name for your self, to be honest I don't know. What I am talking about is these corps who war deck other high sec corps to try and kill multi bill ISK ships. Now I agree that the risk for reward ratio for those living in high sec is to high. However the guys you are harassing have already taken on more risk then many of the high sec dwellers just by leaving the safety of the NPC corp. My concerns with this tactic is as I already stated is that I feel the risk for reward ratio in high sec to too great. And it is my opinion the risk for reward ration in high sec is actually greater for the people in these corps who are harassing other high sec corps then it is for anyone else. I mean really these people aren't taking on any more risk then any other high sec corp and are in a position to make more isk for time spent then any other high sec dweller. Now I hate these uber mission pwning CNRs as much as the next guy. I just don't get why these people are so embraced by the same people who complain that high sec dwellers have it too easy. Maybe I am missing something? Ok now let the flaming and war decs commence. In the process maybe one of you can fill me in on what I am missing. Thanks Wait maybe I already answered this question my self while waiting for the forum to let me log back in. Could it really be all about causing another person grief?
Love DNGD Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:04:00 - [2] Troll.
Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Love DNGD Troll. See now if I was in an NPC corp or lived in high sec I would buy that. However if you do your homework you will see that is not the case. So my valid question stands. I would really like to know what it is that leads one type of no risk high sec player to be so loved while others are so hated.
Haalanii	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:10:00 - [4] People who play Eve to kill things prefer to blow up expensive things because of killboard stats. The possible faction and officer drops are also an incentive. As for why people war dec empire corps to begin with; grief may be a part of it. Boredom is another common reason. The desire to make profit may be the main factor in some cases as well. GJ troll you wasted 2 minutes of my life.
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:15:00 - [5] let me break it down into words you might understand hurr me likey shiney loot hurr
mahj Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:17:00 - [6] Its obvious, they need an outlet for there internal rage so they dont jump out the window at work. Greifing someone else does this very well for the short term. Long term though its just a bandaid on a compound fracture.
the member Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Love DNGD Troll. dis Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Tam A Originally by: Love DNGD Troll. See now if I was in an NPC corp or lived in high sec I would buy that. However if you do your homework you will see that is not the case. So my valid question stands. I would really like to know what it is that leads one type of no risk high sec player to be so loved while others are so hated. You. IT'S YOU! [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Tam A on 27/08/2008 13:16:09 Kill board whoring isn't something I had considered thanks. I can see that asking many of you to think is like beating a dead horse. I guess I am not surprised. Anyway keep up the good work that keeps many players clinging to the NPC corp like a new born to a mothers nipple. Once CCP makes changes to insurance pay outs these guys will be near untouchable as a means of profit and you will never get them out of the NPC corps. Guess I will just have to wait and see if grief is the real motivation.
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:47:00 - [10] The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Tam A Now I agree that the risk for reward ratio for those living in high sec is to high. However the guys you are harassing have already taken on more risk then many of the high sec dwellers just by leaving the safety of the NPC corp. Not until they get war decced have they taken on any more risk than many of the high sec dwellers. Leaving the rest of your arguement as moot. _______________
Sol'Kanar Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Firkragg The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas I am Mexican, and I approve this message.
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:19:00 - [13] To someone who doesn't enjoy PvP, or hasn't done it; it would be hard to explain. The idea of killing a CNR because it is a rare ship, a tough ship and probably have the potential for excellent drops. Better than you would find most rats. :) But in truth PvP lends itself to an unknown. Fight enough Guristas and you know what to expect. kin dmg, Caldari ships, la la la. The missions, go to the forums and read up on mission x, fit ship, go into mission and go to sleep while you kill everything. (maybe a little dramatic) My point is, when you PvP a player you have an unknown setup, you have unknown support that can warp in, you can plan and plan, and then all of the sudden....WA POW....you get smacked down.... Or is you have sound tactics, you smack down. The thing most carebears forget is if you go through lowsec, you can get popped. The whole "I don't pvp so why can they kill my ship." Well you wandered into a bad section of town. You knew the risks and you took a chance. plain and simple. As for high sec...well I understand the suicide gank, but it just seems too much trouble for me to bother.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Goyda ...you have unknown support that can warp in, you can plan and plan, and then all of the sudden....WA POW....you get smacked down.... I see you guys had a couple of nice wa-pows last night. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:26:00 - [15] Interesting, I make a thread to try and understand why these high sec corps who go after mission runners aren't them selves considered carebears by the C&P crowd, everyone just assumes I am a high sec carebear and don't PVP.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:32:00 - [16] Here's the thing about ratios. They are like fractions with a numerator and denominator. If your risk/reward ratio is high, it means either high risk or low reward, or both. When you take this into account, none of what you typed makes any sense. Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
Tam A Amarr Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Here's the thing about ratios. They are like fractions with a numerator and denominator. If your risk/reward ratio is high, it means either high risk or low reward, or both. When you take this into account, none of what you typed makes any sense. LOL Joe, I am talking about guys that hide in high sec just like many other carebears and if they are doing it right are probably making more money a week then all the other carebrears. I just don't understand why the C&P crowd doesn't see them as carebears. To me a carebear is anyone who operates in protected space as a means to make a protected income and try to avoid situations that could cost them a real loss. Mission runners make the ISK killing mindless NPCs. These corps I have been referring to make ISK killing clueless mission runners in the same high sec protected space. Seems like 2 sides of the same carebear coin to me. So on top of trying to understand that I am also trying to understand how this helps get people to move away from being carebears. I mean if they don't even feel safe in high sec how are we ever going to get them to join in to low sec?
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:40:00 - [18] Its just business. Where else would you find a target so lavishly fitted, yet relatively easy to counter their fit and make them explode? __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Grann Thefauto Minmatar Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:54:00 - [19] They're providing these corps with an incredible opportunity to learn PVP from experienced pvpers. Not only do they get the chance to fight hardened PVP corps and learn how to properly fit, why not to haul expensive things during a war, and why to never train Caldari, but they don't even have to leave high sec for it!! Even BETTER, the pvp corps will front the cost for this educational experience!! Call now for all the Education you can handle!! Its a win-win anyway you look at it.
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Tam A What I am talking about is these corps who war deck other high sec corps to try and kill multi bill ISK ships. Now I agree that the risk for reward ratio for those living in high sec is to high. However the guys you are harassing have already taken on more risk then many of the high sec dwellers just by leaving the safety of the NPC corp. Good point! It is unfair to wardec player corps because players in player corps are already taking a high risk of being wardeced because they are in a player corp.
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Tam A Edited by: Tam A on 27/08/2008 17:56:00 LOL Joe, I am talking about guys that hide in high sec just like many other carebears and if they are doing it right are probably making more money a week then all the other carebrears. I just don't understand why the C&P crowd doesn't see them as carebears. because these "carebears" are their alts?
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 27/08/2008 23:00:19 Originally by: Tam A I just don't understand why the C&P crowd doesn't see them as carebears? Because they are shooting people, not NPCs.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:36:00 - [23] I think if you experience an uncontrollable sinister laugh while playing EVE, you are not a carebear. Even if you are killing NPC rats, as long as you are being hilariously evil in your own mind, you are cool. Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
3cxO Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:36:00 - [24] Edited by: 3cxO on 28/08/2008 07:36:44 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I think if you experience an uncontrollable sinister laugh while playing EVE, you are not a carebear. Even if you are killing NPC rats, as long as you are being hilariously evil in your own mind, you are cool. imo, qft +1 ps: perkone+their 2.5k dps tanking drakes (lulz) ftw
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.28 10:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Tam A Maybe it's always been a part of eve and is just becoming more popular or maybe it's just the latest cool thing to try and brag about in C&P to try and make a name for your self, to be honest I don't know. Oh but you know. That's why you post. [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Terra Mikael I Am Not A Lawyer	Posted - 2008.08.28 11:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Tam A What I am talking about is these corps who war deck other high sec corps to try and kill multi bill ISK ships. Originally by: Tam A Could it really be all about causing another person grief? You know, somewhere in that post, there's a coherent thought. I thought maybe...just maybe... Nah... Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
Zraken Hawkwing	Posted - 2008.08.28 11:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Firkragg The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas I am Mexican, and I approve this message. I have this image stuck in my head. Thousands of kids with giant sticks whacking the hull of a CNR. It wont go away!
jimmyjam Gallente Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:05:00 - [28] Get back under the bridge troll.
Rok Tar	Posted - 2008.08.30 03:36:00 - [29] Obvious troll is obvious
Morbius Karlock	Posted - 2008.08.30 20:54:00 - [30] Just curious but it seems to me that the guys looking for people flying nice ships in high sec are also in high sec.... yet complain about people flying in high sec... Am i confused or is this about right? Also curiously enough is the prices involved in those there officer and deadspace items, i really cant imagine anyone dumb enough to put a couple of billion worth of mods in a cnr so would have thought the prices would have come down if people arent buying them? Me personally wouldnt spend a billion on a mod unless it was for a dread or something at least you couldnt get ganked in that... I think i am confused....
Alberico DeSandre	Posted - 2008.08.31 00:25:00 - [31] As a newb player, I can't see a single reason as to why i'd want to leave an NPC corporation while i'm in highsec space. As much as i'd like to form a corp with some buddies i'd rather not risk getting my ass ganked by someone flying a ship worth about a million isk. OP is pretty much right. Doing level 4s solo is pretty easy and the pay is ok: carebear, fine. Ganking mission runner ships in a replaceable pvp setup is about as easy as breathing and the payout is insane: not a carebear though, because when they set orbit, scram, and guns and afk for 5 minutes they are killing players not NPCs. Want carebears to be less prevalent in high sec? Buff the HELL out of lowsec missions/agents. Massive buffs. We're talking level 3 mission difficulty but above level 4 pay. That's what it would take to get even a fraction of the players out of the safety of highsec because to NOT be visited by a pirate while on a lowsec mission is the exception not the norm.
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.31 00:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Alberico DeSandre As a newb player, I can't see a single reason as to why i'd want to leave an NPC corporation while i'm in highsec space. Quit the game now. You're a year or two away from a comedy fitted ratting carrier lossmail and a whine thread on CAOD.
Cyb3r Thr3at Gallente Mnemonic Enterprises New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.31 05:10:00 - [33] Right on Nexus.. right on!
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.08.31 05:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Alberico DeSandre i'd rather not risk getting my ass ganked by someone flying a ship worth about a million isk. You wouldn't fight a frigate? :(
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.31 07:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon hurr me likey shiney loot hurr I say this like a prayer... daily. ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
ImUrDestiny Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.31 08:29:00 - [36] I stopped reading at "risk for reward". Go die troll. (ingame)
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2008.08.31 11:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Alberico DeSandre As a newb player, I can't see a single reason as to why i'd want to leave an NPC corporation while i'm in highsec space. As much as i'd like to form a corp with some buddies i'd rather not risk getting my ass ganked by someone flying a ship worth about a million isk. OP is pretty much right. Doing level 4s solo is pretty easy and the pay is ok: carebear, fine. Ganking mission runner ships in a replaceable pvp setup is about as easy as breathing and the payout is insane: not a carebear though, because when they set orbit, scram, and guns and afk for 5 minutes they are killing players not NPCs. Want carebears to be less prevalent in high sec? Buff the HELL out of lowsec missions/agents. Massive buffs. We're talking level 3 mission difficulty but above level 4 pay. That's what it would take to get even a fraction of the players out of the safety of highsec because to NOT be visited by a pirate while on a lowsec mission is the exception not the norm. And make lowsec a carebear zone too ? Since all that would happen is that the existing lowsec population would just start doing these more lucrative missions to finance more of the same. There is no incentive that wpuld make die-hard L4 missionrunners move out of hisec. Remove L4's from hisec and these people would IMO leave the game. Its something CCP have wanted to change but have already realised they cannot. People will pay to play the game their way - remove it and they will leave.
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.31 11:34:00 - [38] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Nexus Kinnon hurr me likey shiney loot hurr I say this like a prayer... daily. I say it every time i hit approach on a shuttle wreck... I'm never lucky though /o\
Grarr Dexx Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.08.31 17:45:00 - [39] undock, consent to pvp, etc
Napolie Gallente A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.31 20:38:00 - [40] Its a CNR, A worm, NO it's obvious troll! Desusigs
DarthJosh Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.31 23:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Firkragg The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas /thread - Desusigs!
Xasz AnTi.	Posted - 2008.09.01 05:08:00 - [42] Originally by: DarthJosh Originally by: Firkragg The only reason C&P dwellers love high sec mission runners is the same reason mexicans love pinatas /thread this
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.09.01 08:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Tam A Maybe it's always been a part of eve and is just becoming more popular or maybe it's just the latest cool thing to try and brag about in C&P to try and make a name for your self, to be honest I don't know. What I am talking about is these corps who war deck other high sec corps to try and kill multi bill ISK ships. Now I agree that the risk for reward ratio for those living in high sec is to high. However the guys you are harassing have already taken on more risk then many of the high sec dwellers just by leaving the safety of the NPC corp. My concerns with this tactic is as I already stated is that I feel the risk for reward ratio in high sec to too great. And it is my opinion the risk for reward ration in high sec is actually greater for the people in these corps who are harassing other high sec corps then it is for anyone else. I mean really these people aren't taking on any more risk then any other high sec corp and are in a position to make more isk for time spent then any other high sec dweller. Now I hate these uber mission pwning CNRs as much as the next guy. I just don't get why these people are so embraced by the same people who complain that high sec dwellers have it too easy. Maybe I am missing something? Ok now let the flaming and war decs commence. In the process maybe one of you can fill me in on what I am missing. Thanks Wait maybe I already answered this question my self while waiting for the forum to let me log back in. Could it really be all about causing another person grief? People like easy targets. Its a universal truth of human nature.
tripodbilly	Posted - 2008.09.02 14:39:00 - [44] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Nexus Kinnon hurr me likey shiney loot hurr I say this like a prayer... daily. This and isk buyer in faction BS = happy pwirate
Tor Celion	Posted - 2008.09.02 16:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Beltantis Torrence People like easy targets. Its a universal truth of human nature. Now that makes sense, sorry guys but if you operate in high sec most of the time it doesnt matter what you do, you are still a carebear - You can earn more money quicker in 0.0, unless yourlucky and you stumble on uber stuff Don't hate me,I'm an alt..
Tor Celion	Posted - 2008.09.02 16:09:00 - [46] Originally by: tripodbilly This and isk buyer in faction BS = happy pwirate how can you tell an isk buyer apart from the others? Apart from the obvious month old noob with a officer fit faction ship that is.... Don't hate me,I'm an alt..
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:03:00 - [47] Edited by: Nexa Necis on 02/09/2008 17:05:32 You forget, for some of us, it's a lot of fun. Also some of these corps ask to be dec'd. You take their ore, and they swear up and down you're going to die once their corp or alliance war decs you. Of course, they rarely do, so we dec them and the tears flow. As far as risk vs reward, the people flying those billion ISK ships during war time are taking a very high risk for a fairly poor reward. I mean really you can run level 4s in a basic Raven or Drake even. So running them in a 5 billion ISK during a war is downright foolish. Part of it is the grief aspect. You can read my latest story about it here. We dec all sorts of corps. One of the last corps we dec'd we're self proclaimed PvP'ers scooting around in their faction BS's. They all jumped corp a few times, we chased, they smack talked constantly. They died every single time we caught them. They jumped into another corp, again all proclaimed PvP'ers who after dying a few times ran out to low sec, ruined their sec status and said we suck because we didn't follow to kill them. Oh yeah, even though all their mails were full of smack daring us to dec them and them telling us we sucked, they tried to hire one of the top merc outfits, REPO, to kill us. Crazy! What they fail to mention is that they're a German corp hiding in Fensi which has a large population of German pirate gate campers. All of their kills are with 5-10 others, never solo, and no real risk by them. Funny, high sec was too hard for them to handle. It's going to be put in my next story. Good times!
Fyrkraag Caldari Sigillum Militum Xpisti	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:03:00 - [48] Tam A, Plenty of Wartargets in FW, and in low sec. Pirates that kill and get killed in the mix. Lots of battles to be had in 0.0 too. Plenty of war decs going on all the time, many corps do them mutually. Carnage is everywhere in Eve. Oh wait, you'd rather cry about high sec ISK grinders. Does this mean you can't roll with the big boys, or are you asking for a carebear nerf because one of them owned you?

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