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Lord Cerberus	Posted - 2004.06.22 00:42:00 - [31] Your ignorance.....amuses me. -------------------- Lord Cerberus Co-founder / Supreme Commander of COSMOS fleet High Councilor of the Gallente Union -------------------- -------------------- There is no reality, only Perception!
Freekill	Posted - 2004.06.22 00:57:00 - [32] Well some people are easily amused. I don't hold that aginst them. Strip mining is a part of the nartural order of things. We have done it for thousands of years. The strong uses the weak and all that. Have an amused day citizen. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Sway 11D	Posted - 2004.06.22 10:34:00 - [33] We have never intended to stop strip mining completely, which would be an impossible task. Our plan is to select a small group of systems that we can keep clear for less experienced pilots to mine. Note: There will be a GU High Council meeting soon and then the details of our plan will be announced. ------------------ Sway 11-D Chancellor of Inter-Relations for Cosmos Vice-President of the Gallente Union ------------------ ------------------ Only when we've lost everything, are we really free to do anything!
Freekill	Posted - 2004.06.22 13:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Sway 11D We have never intended to stop strip mining completely, which would be an impossible task. Our plan is to select a small group of systems that we can keep clear for less experienced pilots to mine. Protecting the weak will only make you vunerable. But if thats what makes your hearts start pounding like lovesick teenagers then go ahead. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Lord Eidolon	Posted - 2004.06.24 18:44:00 - [35] Following our recent High Council meeting, the "ban" has been postponed while our Home Secretary works on specifics. We have taken much into consideration and there is likely to be a change in strategy. Watch this space... -------------------- Lord Eidolon The COSMOS Corporation "Your ignorance...amuses me."
Freekill	Posted - 2004.06.25 00:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Lord Eidolon Following our recent High Council meeting, the "ban" has been postponed while our Home Secretary works on specifics. We have taken much into consideration and there is likely to be a change in strategy. Watch this space... Hmmm how surprising. Typical Gallente. Ohh well I'm sure you will reach a decision eventually after a few focus groups evaluate the options and it goes through the "high coucil" a few times. Democracy is for the weak. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Lord Eidolon	Posted - 2004.07.01 16:55:00 - [37] STRIP MINING GUIDELINE ISSUED Informing message for all miners about strip mining: Strip mining means mining an asteroid belt completely of asteroids. Now everyone knows from physics classes that all mass has a gravity field. As long as there are asteroids in a belt, their gravity will collect more asteroids in it. If a belt is strip mined, it is by pure chance that an asteroid sets in orbit of a planet and then start collecting more asteroids in its gravity field. So strip mining has an undeniable effect on economy, because proper mining techniques will make sure that there are more asteroids to mine. This will ultimately increase the amount of needed minerals in the market and would probably bring their prices down to normal levels. Strip mining could also have an ecological impact, as now belts also act as barriers and asteroid collectors. Without belts asteroids would roam solar systems freely and might eventually hit planets. An asteroid as large as the largest veldspar asteroids could destroy all life on a small planet. Guidelines for mining: When you mine in groups and have enough miners to strip mine a belt, leave behind one asteroid of each type before moving on to the next belt. Asteroids will appear in that belt much faster and you may mine in that same belt much sooner. This will reduce the need to keep moving mining operations to different systems to find belts that still have asteroids. I'm sure anyone with a little sense in their heads will realize how much more efficient this method is in the long run. Respectully yours, Icchan Home secretary of Gallente Union -------------------- Lord Eidolon The COSMOS Corporation "Your ignorance...amuses me."
Lord Eidolon	Posted - 2004.07.01 16:55:00 - [38] STRIP MINING GUIDELINE ISSUED Informing message for all miners about strip mining: Strip mining means mining an asteroid belt completely of asteroids. Now everyone knows from physics classes that all mass has a gravity field. As long as there are asteroids in a belt, their gravity will collect more asteroids in it. If a belt is strip mined, it is by pure chance that an asteroid sets in orbit of a planet and then start collecting more asteroids in its gravity field. So strip mining has an undeniable effect on economy, because proper mining techniques will make sure that there are more asteroids to mine. This will ultimately increase the amount of needed minerals in the market and would probably bring their prices down to normal levels. Strip mining could also have an ecological impact, as now belts also act as barriers and asteroid collectors. Without belts asteroids would roam solar systems freely and might eventually hit planets. An asteroid as large as the largest veldspar asteroids could destroy all life on a small planet. Guidelines for mining: When you mine in groups and have enough miners to strip mine a belt, leave behind one asteroid of each type before moving on to the next belt. Asteroids will appear in that belt much faster and you may mine in that same belt much sooner. This will reduce the need to keep moving mining operations to different systems to find belts that still have asteroids. I'm sure anyone with a little sense in their heads will realize how much more efficient this method is in the long run. Respectully yours, Icchan Home secretary of Gallente Union -------------------- Lord Eidolon The COSMOS Corporation "Your ignorance...amuses me."
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:45:00 - [39] A mouse fell for the grasp of a hawk. The Hawk flew high, and dropped the mouse. The mouse fell, but it was all ready dead before it hit the ground. The universe is a vast place to live in, but sometimes it is a delight of amusement to read what a gallente may come up with. I invite you all for a pleasant stay in our Neo Citizen program, we ensure you that we will do our best to make you into a better you. This is off course free of charge for all minmatar and gallente. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:45:00 - [40] A mouse fell for the grasp of a hawk. The Hawk flew high, and dropped the mouse. The mouse fell, but it was all ready dead before it hit the ground. The universe is a vast place to live in, but sometimes it is a delight of amusement to read what a gallente may come up with. I invite you all for a pleasant stay in our Neo Citizen program, we ensure you that we will do our best to make you into a better you. This is off course free of charge for all minmatar and gallente. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Yuki Li	Posted - 2004.07.02 16:57:00 - [41] Mining, though not my own course of action, is a method by which to improve ones status through trade. Those who strip mine work for their ISK, why should you limit their productivity and thus their income? Sad that you should wish to deprive from hard workers in order to hand it to slackers on a plate. [ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
Yuki Li	Posted - 2004.07.02 16:57:00 - [42] Mining, though not my own course of action, is a method by which to improve ones status through trade. Those who strip mine work for their ISK, why should you limit their productivity and thus their income? Sad that you should wish to deprive from hard workers in order to hand it to slackers on a plate. [ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
Silver Night	Posted - 2004.07.02 19:32:00 - [43] So, you are either challenging galletne soveriegnty or just suggesting people don't strip mine. In the first case, i welcome you as an enemy of an enemy. For the second, well, im sure a couple people will listen. ------------------ Silver Night Director - Production and Science (\_/)This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature (O.o)to help him on his way to World Domination. (> <)
Silver Night	Posted - 2004.07.02 19:32:00 - [44] So, you are either challenging galletne soveriegnty or just suggesting people don't strip mine. In the first case, i welcome you as an enemy of an enemy. For the second, well, im sure a couple people will listen. ------------------ Silver Night Director - Production and Science (\_/)This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature (O.o)to help him on his way to World Domination. (> <)
Red Bloom	Posted - 2004.07.11 16:34:00 - [45] What right do u have to decide what and what not to do in this world!! as for speaking for the gallante people that is a joke if u want to do something usefull stop these big corps hogging all the top roids for themselves!! then all these big bs will not hang around 0.9 they b up in venal etc etc!! as for 2 mining lasers per ship what planet is that guy on hell lets all just have no guns either shall we!
Red Bloom	Posted - 2004.07.11 16:34:00 - [46] What right do u have to decide what and what not to do in this world!! as for speaking for the gallante people that is a joke if u want to do something usefull stop these big corps hogging all the top roids for themselves!! then all these big bs will not hang around 0.9 they b up in venal etc etc!! as for 2 mining lasers per ship what planet is that guy on hell lets all just have no guns either shall we!
Komisches	Posted - 2004.07.12 02:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Rhuu This also allows younger pilots to get an economic foothold without worry in the secure regions Excuse me for backtracking a little, but I almost fell off my chair, in shocked amusement, when i read this. Sure, economic foothold without worry - pity there's so many ore thiefs. Until something is done about this particular problem, mining by yourself in any space with a sec rating of and above 0.5 has the risk of losing hours of work to some passing ore thief. So, worry free my foot. ---
Komisches	Posted - 2004.07.12 02:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Rhuu This also allows younger pilots to get an economic foothold without worry in the secure regions Excuse me for backtracking a little, but I almost fell off my chair, in shocked amusement, when i read this. Sure, economic foothold without worry - pity there's so many ore thiefs. Until something is done about this particular problem, mining by yourself in any space with a sec rating of and above 0.5 has the risk of losing hours of work to some passing ore thief. So, worry free my foot. ---
Komisches	Posted - 2004.07.12 02:39:00 - [49] Anyway, strip mining of belts is all about convenience - it's much more convenient and definetly safer to mine low level ores in safe space. I mean, why would any corp travel to 0.0 space just to mine veldspar or scordite? ---
Komisches	Posted - 2004.07.12 02:39:00 - [50] Anyway, strip mining of belts is all about convenience - it's much more convenient and definetly safer to mine low level ores in safe space. I mean, why would any corp travel to 0.0 space just to mine veldspar or scordite? ---
Rhuu	Posted - 2004.07.12 03:55:00 - [51] Edited by: Rhuu on 12/07/2004 03:57:24 Originally by: Komisches Originally by: Rhuu This also allows younger pilots to get an economic foothold without worry in the secure regions Excuse me for backtracking a little, but I almost fell off my chair, in shocked amusement, when i read this. Sure, economic foothold without worry - pity there's so many ore thiefs. Until something is done about this particular problem, mining by yourself in any space with a sec rating of and above 0.5 has the risk of losing hours of work to some passing ore thief. So, worry free my foot. I suppose this comes down to a difference in definition of what a 'younger pilot' is. I define a younger pilot as someone who does not yet have contacts he can trust, does not own anything more than an imicus or a probe, and therefore should not be bothirng to utilize the technique of jettisoning mined ore out into space for others to pick up. Furthermore, if a pilot does desire to use canisters, own an industrial tug, and/or have contacts he can trust, utilizing secure containers as he moves down into lower security zones (still above the cited 0.5-rated security regions) can still be done. If you desire to change the CONCORD definition of what is and is not discarded garbage, I would suggest starting a thread to lobby CONCORD. As it stands, we are steering things off topic just a bit. So, back onto topic... Originally by: Komisches I mean, why would any corp travel to 0.0 space just to mine veldspar or scordite? No reason for that, certainly, but lower-security space (0.1-0.4) can still be relatively safe if there are forces on board to intercept the pirates that intermittantly warp in and cause a minor hassle. Creating an incentive to go elsewhere is the only way that the GU can possibly convince people that it is lucrative enough to not strip mine high security systems. And using the 'rogue asteroid may hit something!!' argument isn't helping their case, either. Any asteroid small enough to not be spotted on sensors years in advance should easily be obliterated or diverted by modern weaponry. But mining has never been my business, and although politics amuses me occasionally, I can't really say I'm big on that, either. Good luck with your rocks, gents.
Rhuu	Posted - 2004.07.12 03:55:00 - [52] Edited by: Rhuu on 12/07/2004 03:57:24 Originally by: Komisches Originally by: Rhuu This also allows younger pilots to get an economic foothold without worry in the secure regions Excuse me for backtracking a little, but I almost fell off my chair, in shocked amusement, when i read this. Sure, economic foothold without worry - pity there's so many ore thiefs. Until something is done about this particular problem, mining by yourself in any space with a sec rating of and above 0.5 has the risk of losing hours of work to some passing ore thief. So, worry free my foot. I suppose this comes down to a difference in definition of what a 'younger pilot' is. I define a younger pilot as someone who does not yet have contacts he can trust, does not own anything more than an imicus or a probe, and therefore should not be bothirng to utilize the technique of jettisoning mined ore out into space for others to pick up. Furthermore, if a pilot does desire to use canisters, own an industrial tug, and/or have contacts he can trust, utilizing secure containers as he moves down into lower security zones (still above the cited 0.5-rated security regions) can still be done. If you desire to change the CONCORD definition of what is and is not discarded garbage, I would suggest starting a thread to lobby CONCORD. As it stands, we are steering things off topic just a bit. So, back onto topic... Originally by: Komisches I mean, why would any corp travel to 0.0 space just to mine veldspar or scordite? No reason for that, certainly, but lower-security space (0.1-0.4) can still be relatively safe if there are forces on board to intercept the pirates that intermittantly warp in and cause a minor hassle. Creating an incentive to go elsewhere is the only way that the GU can possibly convince people that it is lucrative enough to not strip mine high security systems. And using the 'rogue asteroid may hit something!!' argument isn't helping their case, either. Any asteroid small enough to not be spotted on sensors years in advance should easily be obliterated or diverted by modern weaponry. But mining has never been my business, and although politics amuses me occasionally, I can't really say I'm big on that, either. Good luck with your rocks, gents.

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