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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2004.06.07 18:16:00 -
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[Press Release] Gallente Union (GU) to outlaw strip mining
The Gallente Union (GU) is planning to impose a ban on the strip-mining of asteroid belts throughout the Gallente Federation.
The ban was proposed by GU Councilor Icchan, at a session of the Gallente Union High Council. He spoke of the damage being done to both the environment and the Gallentean economy, and stressed that continued strip mining would only be detrimental in the long-term. Lord Eidolon, GU President, decreed that a committee would be established to further investigate the matter and report back to the High Council with their findings, before a final decision is made on the ban.
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Lord Eidolon
The COSMOS Corporation
"Your ignorance...amuses me."
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Tsual
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Posted - 2004.06.07 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 07/06/2004 18:26:40
Ok let me guess the election campaign for a council leader will start in one month.
And the reason for this, you will find here.
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Galx
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Posted - 2004.06.08 18:01:00 -
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That would be a pretty massive undertaking. Good luck though....
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2004.06.09 00:48:00 -
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It would be incredibly difficult to monitor something like this. I would like to know how the GU claims to hold law over any "asteroid belts throughout the Gallente Federation?" This isn't alliance space, therefore alliances do not have the power to create laws (or enforce them, for that matter).
If such a proposition were to be formally proposed to The Federation, by The GU, then I believe I would fully support you in such an endeavour.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2004.06.09 01:42:00 -
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What a clever joke! I say, if you Gallente are good for anything, it's a laugh. 
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Slim Chance
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Posted - 2004.06.09 05:25:00 -
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Let me ask this: Aside from stating that you have some right or control over Gallente space, by what actual authority to you plan to ôimpose a banö on strip mining Gallente space. How do you define ôstrip miningö and how do you plan to enforce this.
Or is this just a press release designed to get attention for your ôunionö
Slim Chance
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Komisches
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Posted - 2004.06.09 05:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Eidolon He spoke of the damage being done to both the environment and the Gallentean economy[/quote
Two points:
1. How does removing rocks from space, "damage" space?
2. How does having large amounts of ore, minerals, and products affect the economy in a bad way?
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Vendris
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Posted - 2004.06.09 07:37:00 -
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I think what he's actually trying to ban is other people getting there first.
Not that I can't see some justification or possible noble aim behind his words - Take a trip through high sec (0.9 - 1.0) space where the newer pilots try to make their living, and you'll find many of the belts are decimated, or gone completely thanks to the efforts of corps with multiple mining battleships.
Why do these large scale mining corporations strip mine 0.9 and 1.0 space?
Simply put, because they can, and in a world that encourages exploitation and greed, there's absolutely no reason not to.
If you ask me, the only way we're going to see an end to this problem, if indeed it really is a problem, is for CONCORD or some other Inter-Empire organisation to make it impossible to fit more than two mining lasers to any craft.
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2004.06.10 12:52:00 -
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Our committee is still looking into this matter.
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Lord Eidolon
The COSMOS Corporation
"Your ignorance...amuses me."
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Galx
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Posted - 2004.06.10 17:47:00 -
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If I could make a suggestion maybe pick just a few systems to protect that you could do.
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Kakita Jalaan
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Posted - 2004.06.11 02:15:00 -
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If I'm not totally mistaken, there are valid ecological and economical reasons behing this.
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Slim Chance
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Posted - 2004.06.11 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kakita Jalaan
If I'm not totally mistaken, there are valid ecological and economical reasons behing this.
I agree with you, but an empty press statement means nothing with out some capacity or authority to make it reality.
Slim Chance
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bl3ach
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Posted - 2004.06.11 07:13:00 -
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An interesting and theoretically well motivated statement, however I would live to hear your plans on policing this.
(That's not a sarcastic comment btw)
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Icchan
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Posted - 2004.06.11 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Icchan on 11/06/2004 12:11:02
Edited by: Icchan on 11/06/2004 12:09:48
(out of character)
This strip mining ban idea came to me when i read some forums in EVE-I.com. People were complaining about lost belts that took ages to spawn. Also there is another reason for it: events. It has the sole reason of providing a reason for events to come. You'll see them as they come.
(in character)
Strip mining means mining an asteroid belt completely of asteroids. Now everyone knows from physics classes that all mass has a gravity field. As long as there are asteroids in a belt, their gravity will collect more asteroids in it. If a belt is strip mined, it is by pure chance that an asteroid sets in orbit of a planet and then start collecting more asteroids in its gravity field.
So strip mining has an undeniable effect on economy, because proper mining techniques will make sure that there are more asteroids to mine. This will ultimately increase the amount of needed minerals in the market and would probably bring their prices down to normal levels.
Strip mining could also have an ecological impact, as now belts also act as barriers and asteroid collectors. Without belts asteroids would roam solar systems freely and might eventually hit planets. An asteroid as large as the largest veldspar asteroids could destroy all life on a small planet.
It is true what people have said, enforcing it let alone monitoring it is nearly impossible. So it would seem likely at this point that we will only send informative messages to corporation CEO's in Gallente Federation space. An open letter to the Gallente Federation is also planned.
With all that said, don't take my word alone for it, the committee is still investigating this matter and we will not do anything about this until they have reached a conclusion.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.06.12 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Icchan
An asteroid as large as the largest veldspar asteroids could destroy all life on a small planet.
Sucks to be them
Open coms to deck 4
start ore extractor 1-7, and launch the drones, I want this system cleared by the end of the next Deca-cycle
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2004.06.12 23:39:00 -
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Like I had mentioned before, you will have to get the word of The Federation behind you before the GU attempts this.
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Naila D'Ordi
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Posted - 2004.06.13 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Eidolon
Our committee is still looking into this matter.
Perhaps it is best to, in the future, prepare your case before making announcements such as this. Not only will you have something substantial to say rather than dreaming out loud, but it'll also appear you have actually thought your plan through and have concrete solutions to any problems you might run into.
As it stands now I fear you are just flaunting the GU's general inability to positivly affect life in the EVE universe.
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Rhuu
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Posted - 2004.06.13 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Galx
If I could make a suggestion maybe pick just a few systems to protect that you could do.
I would suggest the same thing.
The very idea of a committee of Gallente pilots trying to take away freedoms from miners, to me, would demand the removal of 'Gallente' from the Gallente Union. Though that would simply leave us with 'The Union' which, I believe, was the name of the hive-minded, ultra efficient race of worker drones in the classic b-grade horror holo (though some have called it a propaganda film) of the same title.
Films aside, Lord Eidolon, in spite of your giving yourself the name of a feudal lord, you are not. You do not an amarran holder, and you do not have the power to make sweeping decrees. Appeal instead to people through incentives and through appealing to their sense of morality.
For instance, you could take Galx's idea one step further and kill two birds with one stone--Offer to protect large-scale mining operations in the Intaki system. By doing this, you will be accomplishing something that no one else has done, and in doing so you would be sending a poingnant message to the parties whose policies have created bitter politicing.
This also allows younger pilots to get an economic foothold without worry in the secure regions and it would be the first step in creating a mobilizable standing militia in the crime-ridden Placid region.
Just make sure you stop only the violent criminals, but still allow our friends in the Syndicate to keep bringing the finer things over the border. This way, everyone is happy.
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2004.06.14 14:21:00 -
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It has been decided that for the time being, the GU is going to concentrate on policing a select few systems. Now that internal affairs are starting to progress more smoothly, we will be making a start on enforcing this ban soon. Watch this space.
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Lord Eidolon
The COSMOS Corporation
"Your ignorance...amuses me."
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.06.16 00:16:00 -
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I am sure I preached to you all about this months ago and was treated with contempt and outright abuse.
I am glad to see some people have come to their senses.
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I have a blog
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.06.16 05:18:00 -
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Well, if you were proposing something that actually helped someone, I'd support your cause. But ecology? There's no ecosystem of rocks in space. And economics? What are you, Caldari?
Reasonable people will all agree that excessive mining (Cruisers, Battleships, and AFK Industrials) in 1.0 and 0.9 systems is immoral because it hurts the new pilots who those systems are designed to assist. It is, in very real terms, taking from the poor to give to the already rich.
AFK Mining and Battleship sucking of rocks in 1.0 space doesn't hurt the economy (they could just mine somewhere else) but it does hurt those bright-eyed and excited new pilots who are looking to make their way in space.
So if you were to concentrate on THAT, I could support you.
But as I understand your proposal, you'd outlaw stripmining in very low security space too, which I think is absurd. What are those asteroids for, if not for mining?
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Limpchimp
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Posted - 2004.06.16 15:35:00 -
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Strip mining is a pain I admit that, but did you think of the enormity of the comment you were making when you started this thread.
Honestly how many Asteroid belts do you reckon there are in Gallante space. because I honestly do not believe you have anywhere near enough pilots to have only 1 at each belt keeping you informed.
Everyone dislikes strip mining and it is a pain, but sometimes you have to come to terms with the fact that it will take place.
picking one system to stop it on would have been a better idea. simply because of two main factors;
1. It could be possible to patrol one system.
2. You have posted an ill thought out idea, this in turn has brought a lot of criticism (all constructive I may add)
However point 2. is the worst one becuase think of all the poeple who read this, then inform others of what they read. This has definately not been a good advert for your Corp, as it shows that a decision to announce something was made, but all the homework was not done.
It shows willing and good on you for that, everyone needs to show ambition and you did that. But it still came with a negative outcome.
I am not knocking or flaming you, just giving you an honest opinion after reading the entire thread 
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.06.17 04:35:00 -
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I think we'd all like to know the answer to one question. How would you plan on enforcing this?
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Rhuu
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Posted - 2004.06.17 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rhuu on 17/06/2004 16:17:54
Originally by: Feaux Tomai
I think we'd all like to know the answer to one question. How would you plan on enforcing this?
Although I am in not associated with the Gallente Union, my guess is that the answer to this question is: 'they can't enforce this.'
My guess at answering this further is that this is the pompous posturing of someone who already expects not to be taken seriously or the signs of a megalomaniac who is unrestrained by reason.
Either way, any pilot union that assumes decree powers over nonmembers is going to be laughed at. Perhaps next week the order will come down to, say, 'Destroy all Caldari ships on sight!' When asked why, the response might run, '...because we... err... don't like them! They try to buy and sell products!'
Any organization that assumes a title with Gallente and claims to have something for citizens of the Federation, but is instead an authoritarian structure that posts the results of clandestine meetings of councils and assumes that these results will be acceptable by the free-flying many or enforcable by their small numbers is the sign of wrong-thinking leadership.
If my personal support would go to any pilot union, it would be one where all members have an equal voice, and its official spokespeople are put forward on an as-needed basis.
This pretend organization would, instead of being a police structure, would be a support organization--a group of pilots acting as a conscience, trying to right wrongs by volunteering their time to stop piracy and protect the week, or by sponsoring events that would provide alternatives to unequal situations that they do not like, like strip mining.
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2004.06.19 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rhuu
Any organization that assumes a title with Gallente and claims to have something for citizens of the Federation, but is instead an authoritarian structure that posts the results of clandestine meetings of councils and assumes that these results will be acceptable by the free-flying many or enforcable by their small numbers is the sign of wrong-thinking leadership.
If my personal support would go to any pilot union, it would be one where all members have an equal voice, and its official spokespeople are put forward on an as-needed basis.
That's exactly what the Gallente Union is trying to achieve, and we're making progress. The more Gallenteans who get involved, the more representative we will be for our race as a whole.
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Lord Eidolon
The COSMOS Corporation
"Your ignorance...amuses me."
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Lord Cerberus
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Posted - 2004.06.19 22:49:00 -
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The Gallente Union (GU) is a passive alliance built around GallenteanÆs who wish to enrich our culture with new ideas and strategies, granted we are not fully established but we have come far and my hopes are that one day all GallenteanÆs will come to appreciate what we are trying to do.
Any ôDefence Forceö that we deploy will be there only as protection and in the case of our ban, to help newer pilots have a chance to mine more freely and away from the influence of larger corporations.
If there are any Gallente pilots out there that wish to be part of this ôDefence Forceö please contact "Crausaum" (Chancellor of Defence for the GU) for more information.
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Lord Cerberus
Co-founder / Supreme Commander of COSMOS fleet
High Councilor of the Gallente Union
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Sarina
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Posted - 2004.06.20 06:58:00 -
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Yes, yes yes and yes again, im all for it.
Save the asteroÝds!
And Omber Z, will you take me back? Hardin doesnt even speak with me any longer *Sniffles*
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.06.20 08:55:00 -
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sure sarina, gimme a yell.
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Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI
I have a blog
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Sarina
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Posted - 2004.06.21 17:56:00 -
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Oh you do, er will?!? 
*Blubbers* I lub you Omber, just lemme get the grease gun!
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Freekill
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Posted - 2004.06.21 23:50:00 -
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Typical Gallente treehugger drivel.."Ohh I don't like this so it must be outlawed" Pah! Well good luck policing that idea boys,
Have a nice day citizen
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