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Sergio Ling
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:22:00 -
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I heard a rumour that the Chinese cluster has the option to buy skillpoints for dollar. This rumour was then compounded by someone saying that Oneiromancer had confirmed it (albeit on IRC).
I find this very difficult to believe, but can we get some form of yay/nay as to whether Chinese players get to buy their SP on their own server?
Thanks
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:25:00 -
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Even if it's true, it's China. Chairman Mao dictated a different way of MMO for them, it's why they have their own server in the first place.
While it would be nice to have stuff like model building kits based on cool ships like the Maelstrom or Megathron or Wolf, etc., TQ wouldn't benefit from all of China's crap imo.
Just gives us something else to laugh at China about if it's true 
 Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:27:00 -
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I didn't hear this rumour before, but i'd not be surprised if it were true.
There are some asian mmos that let you buy ingame-stuff for rl cash, seems to be a not uncommon feature there, that for sure would generate lots of extra-cash for whoever is running the game there.
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:43:00 -
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asian mmos are packed solid with micropayment* options.
*quickly turn into macropayments*.
*must seek more internet status!
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:46:00 -
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shrug
Why would that be of any interest to us?
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EVE TV- Bring it back!
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Galliana Foresta
Gallente
Fleeting Moments of Insanity
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
Even if it's true, it's China. Chairman Mao dictated a different way of MMO for them, it's why they have their own server in the first place.
While it would be nice to have stuff like model building kits based on cool ships like the Maelstrom or Megathron or Wolf, etc., TQ wouldn't benefit from all of China's crap imo.
Just gives us something else to laugh at China about if it's true
I once had a cat called Chairman Meow.
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Sergio Ling
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:29:00 -
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No word from CCP - this real or not?
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Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:31:00 -
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On TQ you can buy high SP characters with dollars converted to ISK using GTCs...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
No word from CCP - this real or not?
EVE China is operated by a different company that only "leases" EVE from CCP.
That company can do (within certain limits CCP is probably imposing) whatever the hell they want with the game that would (hopefully) never be done on TQ.
What happens on Serenity stays in China 
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Sergio Ling
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
What happens on Serenity stays in China
this is kinda what I'm hoping for. While I really don't mind if they all get a titan for christmas, I hope it's not a testing ground for what happens over here
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Evelgrivion
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
No word from CCP - this real or not?
CCP doesn't actually run EVE China, and so they play by a different set of rules than we do here. They also have a terrible test server name. (Unicorn)
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:37:00 -
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1)Buy GTC for $
2)Sell GTC for isk
3)Buy char with XX million SP
4)OMG!!!! Tranq sells SP for $ too!
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:37:00 -
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I'm interested in hearing how many different ways EVE gets screwed up when CCP lighten their grip on it.
If nothing else, it provides perspective on the supposedly terrible things they are doing to the real EVE.
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:40:00 -
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Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility.
Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything.
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Neesa Corrinne
Dark Destiny Inc.
Send More Paramedics
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:40:00 -
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One of the reasons that I still love EVE is that it weeds out the ADD "I want it NOWWWWW daddy!" crowd. The maturity level, except for goonswarm of course, is generally higher than any other MMO that you'll find on the market.
The people who can't wait a couple weeks to train up a skill end up quitting the game and that's fine by me; they shouldn't have been here in the first place. First person shooters are the other way.
Now, if we could buy SP, then those people wouldn't quit, instead they would just spend about 200 bucks to have the same amount of SP as my 2005 characters... which is total BS.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Akita T
What happens on Serenity stays in China
this is kinda what I'm hoping for. While I really don't mind if they all get a titan for christmas, I hope it's not a testing ground for what happens over here
Tranquility is the testing ground for what happens over there, there isn't going to be a reversal, their server is behind on patches / expansions also. The whole reason it is a seperate server is because the concept of selling items for $$ was always going to have to be part of their version, and CCP didn't want to impose that on TQ.
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Sergio Ling
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility.
Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything.
I didn't take is as rock-solid proof. I heard a rumour, and came on the forums and asked, and you answered. Thank you :)
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Tranquility is the testing ground for what happens over there, there isn't going to be a reversal, their server is behind on patches / expansions also. The whole reason it is a seperate server is because the concept of selling items for $$ was always going to have to be part of their version, and CCP didn't want to impose that on TQ.
Actually we never went into the Chinese market with the aim of modifying EVE to include microtransactions. We want EVE to survive on its own merits. However business is business and if you find your game model is not successful you start considering other ways to attract players. Whether we actually implement any of the ideas we have come up with is debatable, as really you need to include microtransactions in the game from the early design stages. Ramrodding it in at a later point when you have an established playerbase might not make good sense.
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DiaBlo UK
Killer Koalas
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility.
Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything.
I think this was a case of CCP chinese whisper 
lol, lame joke i know, but couldn't help it. 
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one 
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:53:00 -
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and on TQ it's reality - current going rate is about $19-20 per 1 million skill points if you purchase ISK with GTCs
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Shigsy
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.08.29 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility.
Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything.
When you say discussed, I hope you mean we talked about it then realised how stupid of an idea it is and we're never ever going to implement it. Yeah?
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.29 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 29/08/2008 14:58:10
Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility.
Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything.
When you say discussed, I hope you mean we talked about it then realised how stupid of an idea it is and we're never ever going to implement it. Yeah?
Here's your answer;
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Actually we never went into the Chinese market with the aim of modifying EVE to include microtransactions. We want EVE to survive on its own merits. However business is business and if you find your game model is not successful you start considering other ways to attract players. Whether we actually implement any of the ideas we have come up with is debatable, as really you need to include microtransactions in the game from the early design stages. Ramrodding it in at a later point when you have an established playerbase might not make good sense.
TL;DR version; "We do what we have to do as a business", which is understandable.
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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
One of the reasons that I still love EVE is that it weeds out the ADD "I want it NOWWWWW daddy!" crowd. The maturity level, except for goonswarm of course, is generally higher than any other MMO that you'll find on the market.
The people who can't wait a couple weeks to train up a skill end up quitting the game and that's fine by me; they shouldn't have been here in the first place. First person shooters are the other way.
Now, if we could buy SP, then those people wouldn't quit, instead they would just spend about 200 bucks to have the same amount of SP as my 2005 characters... which is total BS.
After playing 5 years and having millions of SPs I hope they do introduce because then people will realise it doesn't really make that much of a bloody difference. If every fight was one on one with the same set up then maybe.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Ramrodding it in at a later point when you have an established playerbase might not make good sense.
Yes, don't.
I think most ppl won't like it that with some bucks you can buy yourself "effortless" ingame advantages... which is also why I strongly detest the isk to gametime card transactions but I understand why you're doing them.
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Chochos
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:09:00 -
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I am 100% for this idea!!
Let SERENITY(china-server) purchase sp (not TQ) .... Then spend all the money on TQ hardware/development?
Good idea !!
Go go CCP!
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Cyd Vicious
8lack Wing
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:50:00 -
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if business takes over the gameplay, the game will be broken
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Miss Razor
Caldari
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility.
Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything.
I find it VERY worrying that you would even consider this.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Chochos
Let SERENITY(china-server) purchase sp (not TQ) .... Then spend all the money on TQ hardware/development?
Good idea !!
This, tbh…
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Barsexual
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:06:00 -
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because you guys worked so hard to pay a subscription to click on "train to level *" every month
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 29/08/2008 16:11:18
SP are always purchased.
If you want to see how much they cost, multiply your training rate in SP per hour times the number of hours in a month and divide by 14.95. There's your cost in dollars per SP
Notice the dev calling it an "alternative business model"? That's 'cause it is.
When a bean-counter does an analysis of it, you know what he's looking for? If they let you buy SP right away, instead of waiting for them, will they ultimately get more money from you (on average) before you eventually quit the game?
If his charts and graphs say they will, it's a "viable alternative business model".
Don't discount the fact that for us its a game, but for CCP it's a business. Businesses run for profit.
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