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Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:22:00 - [1] I heard a rumour that the Chinese cluster has the option to buy skillpoints for dollar. This rumour was then compounded by someone saying that Oneiromancer had confirmed it (albeit on IRC). I find this very difficult to believe, but can we get some form of yay/nay as to whether Chinese players get to buy their SP on their own server? Thanks _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:25:00 - [2] Even if it's true, it's China. Chairman Mao dictated a different way of MMO for them, it's why they have their own server in the first place. While it would be nice to have stuff like model building kits based on cool ships like the Maelstrom or Megathron or Wolf, etc., TQ wouldn't benefit from all of China's crap imo. Just gives us something else to laugh at China about if it's true Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:27:00 - [3] I didn't hear this rumour before, but i'd not be surprised if it were true. There are some asian mmos that let you buy ingame-stuff for rl cash, seems to be a not uncommon feature there, that for sure would generate lots of extra-cash for whoever is running the game there. _________ My e-peen
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:43:00 - [4] asian mmos are packed solid with micropayment* options. quickly turn into macropayments. *must seek more internet status!
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:46:00 - [5] shrug Why would that be of any interest to us? --- ISK BUYER = LOOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
Galliana Foresta Gallente Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Havohej Even if it's true, it's China. Chairman Mao dictated a different way of MMO for them, it's why they have their own server in the first place. While it would be nice to have stuff like model building kits based on cool ships like the Maelstrom or Megathron or Wolf, etc., TQ wouldn't benefit from all of China's crap imo. Just gives us something else to laugh at China about if it's true I once had a cat called Chairman Meow. HIRING\|KB\|PRESS
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:29:00 - [7] No word from CCP - this real or not? _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:31:00 - [8] On TQ you can buy high SP characters with dollars converted to ISK using GTCs...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Sergio Ling No word from CCP - this real or not? EVE China is operated by a different company that only "leases" EVE from CCP. That company can do (within certain limits CCP is probably imposing) whatever the hell they want with the game that would (hopefully) never be done on TQ. What happens on Serenity stays in China _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T What happens on Serenity stays in China this is kinda what I'm hoping for. While I really don't mind if they all get a titan for christmas, I hope it's not a testing ground for what happens over here _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Evelgrivion Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Sergio Ling No word from CCP - this real or not? CCP doesn't actually run EVE China, and so they play by a different set of rules than we do here. They also have a terrible test server name. (Unicorn)
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:37:00 - [12] 1)Buy GTC for $ 2)Sell GTC for isk 3)Buy char with XX million SP 4)OMG!!!! Tranq sells SP for $ too! _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:37:00 - [13] I'm interested in hearing how many different ways EVE gets screwed up when CCP lighten their grip on it. If nothing else, it provides perspective on the supposedly terrible things they are doing to the real EVE. - DesuSigs

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:40:00 - [14] Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: *DISCUSSED*. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility. Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything.

Neesa Corrinne Dark Destiny Inc. Send More Paramedics	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:40:00 - [15] One of the reasons that I still love EVE is that it weeds out the ADD "I want it NOWWWWW daddy!" crowd. The maturity level, except for goonswarm of course, is generally higher than any other MMO that you'll find on the market. The people who can't wait a couple weeks to train up a skill end up quitting the game and that's fine by me; they shouldn't have been here in the first place. First person shooters are the other way. Now, if we could buy SP, then those people wouldn't quit, instead they would just spend about 200 bucks to have the same amount of SP as my 2005 characters... which is total BS.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Sergio Ling Originally by: Akita T What happens on Serenity stays in China this is kinda what I'm hoping for. While I really don't mind if they all get a titan for christmas, I hope it's not a testing ground for what happens over here Tranquility is the testing ground for what happens over there, there isn't going to be a reversal, their server is behind on patches / expansions also. The whole reason it is a seperate server is because the concept of selling items for $$ was always going to have to be part of their version, and CCP didn't want to impose that on TQ.
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:50:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Whisper Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: *DISCUSSED*. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility. Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything. I didn't take is as rock-solid proof. I heard a rumour, and came on the forums and asked, and you answered. Thank you :) _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Lord Fitz Tranquility is the testing ground for what happens over there, there isn't going to be a reversal, their server is behind on patches / expansions also. The whole reason it is a seperate server is because the concept of selling items for $$ was always going to have to be part of their version, and CCP didn't want to impose that on TQ. Actually we never went into the Chinese market with the aim of modifying EVE to include microtransactions. We want EVE to survive on its own merits. However business is business and if you find your game model is not successful you start considering other ways to attract players. Whether we actually implement any of the ideas we have come up with is debatable, as really you need to include microtransactions in the game from the early design stages. Ramrodding it in at a later point when you have an established playerbase might not make good sense.

DiaBlo UK Killer Koalas	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:52:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Whisper Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: *DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility. Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything. I think this was a case of CCP chinese whisper lol, lame joke i know, but couldn't help it. Originally by:* CCP Navigator Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:53:00 - [20] and on TQ it's reality - current going rate is about $19-20 per 1 million skill points if you purchase ISK with GTCs
Shigsy The Golden Goat	Posted - 2008.08.29 14:53:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Whisper Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: *DISCUSSED*. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility. Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything. When you say discussed, I hope you mean we talked about it then realised how stupid of an idea it is and we're never ever going to implement it. Yeah?
Cygnus Zhada Amarr Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.08.29 14:58:00 - [22] Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 29/08/2008 14:58:10 Originally by: Shigsy Originally by: CCP Whisper Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: *DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility. Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything. When you say discussed, I hope you mean we talked about it then realised how stupid of an idea it is and we're never ever going to implement it. Yeah? Here's your answer; Originally by:* CCP Whisper Actually we never went into the Chinese market with the aim of modifying EVE to include microtransactions. We want EVE to survive on its own merits. However business is business and if you find your game model is not successful you start considering other ways to attract players. Whether we actually implement any of the ideas we have come up with is debatable, as really you need to include microtransactions in the game from the early design stages. Ramrodding it in at a later point when you have an established playerbase might not make good sense. TL;DR version; "We do what we have to do as a business", which is understandable.
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.08.29 15:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne One of the reasons that I still love EVE is that it weeds out the ADD "I want it NOWWWWW daddy!" crowd. The maturity level, except for goonswarm of course, is generally higher than any other MMO that you'll find on the market. The people who can't wait a couple weeks to train up a skill end up quitting the game and that's fine by me; they shouldn't have been here in the first place. First person shooters are the other way. Now, if we could buy SP, then those people wouldn't quit, instead they would just spend about 200 bucks to have the same amount of SP as my 2005 characters... which is total BS. After playing 5 years and having millions of SPs I hope they do introduce because then people will realise it doesn't really make that much of a bloody difference. If every fight was one on one with the same set up then maybe. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.29 15:08:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Whisper Ramrodding it in at a later point when you have an established playerbase might not make good sense. Yes, don't. I think most ppl won't like it that with some bucks you can buy yourself "effortless" ingame advantages... which is also why I strongly detest the isk to gametime card transactions but I understand why you're doing them. Boink!
Chochos The Golden Goat	Posted - 2008.08.29 15:09:00 - [25] I am 100% for this idea!! Let SERENITY(china-server) purchase sp (not TQ) .... Then spend all the money on TQ hardware/development? Good idea !! Go go CCP!
Cyd Vicious 8lack Wing IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.29 15:50:00 - [26] if business takes over the gameplay, the game will be broken
Miss Razor Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2008.08.29 15:53:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Whisper Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: *DISCUSSED*. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility. Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything. I find it VERY worrying that you would even consider this. ------------------------------ minings hard work these days
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Chochos Let SERENITY(china-server) purchase sp (not TQ) .... Then spend all the money on TQ hardware/development? Good idea !! This, tbh…
Barsexual Castle Greyskull	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:06:00 - [29] because you guys worked so hard to pay a subscription to click on "train to level *" every month
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:10:00 - [30] Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 29/08/2008 16:11:18 SP are always purchased. If you want to see how much they cost, multiply your training rate in SP per hour times the number of hours in a month and divide by 14.95. There's your cost in dollars per SP Notice the dev calling it an "alternative business model"? That's 'cause it is. When a bean-counter does an analysis of it, you know what he's looking for? If they let you buy SP right away, instead of waiting for them, will they ultimately get more money from you (on average) before you eventually quit the game? If his charts and graphs say they will, it's a "viable alternative business model". Don't discount the fact that for us its a game, but for CCP it's a business. Businesses run for profit.
Reptzo Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:15:00 - [31] I would say this will be good or bad depending on how many sp you can buy, and if there is a cap, where at some point you can no longer buy sp. Meaning, something like once you like XX million sp, you can no longer buy sp. Or, you can only buy XX amount of sp per month, until you reach the limit. Otherwise, if this is implemented without limits, some people could essentially buy every single skill to 5. Another thing that might be cool is if you could move sp from one skill to another. Like say you trained all those indust skills to 5, and now you never plan to mine or build again, well, you can just move all that sp to something else. Naturally, this would have to be limited by some time factor, so you couldn't respec your char between fights or something.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:15:00 - [32] I don't want to buy SP. I want to buy back all the training time I lost when I was un-subbed. I'd gladly pay the monthly subs from those days now, if I could get the SP given to me. However, as a general rule, I don't want to buy SP, and I don't want others to do it on the same server. Lapsed subscriptions are one thing. IRL money for advancement is another. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:17:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Whisper Purchasing skillpoints for RL currency is one of the many alternative business models we have discussed in the past for Serenity. Note the key word there: *DISCUSSED. Not "Decided", "Implemented", "Released", "Done" or any other word which would mean that the system is live. Currently skill training on Serenity works just like it does on Tranquility. Also I would highly recommend people refrain from attempting to use the informal discussion that takes place in irc channels as rock-solid proof of anything. Oh sure, take all* our fun away. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:26:00 - [34] How long until it gets "discussed" for Tranquility too? Just saying. I know that the business models that work in China aren't necessarily going to be exactly the same as those that work elsewhere, and that RMT is a more accepted part of MMO gaming in Asia, but what if cash for SP works out spectacularly well? We've all heard the speculation that CCP are toning down the harshness of Eve in order to attract more customers and bring in more cash, so it isn't unreasonable to assume that the subject of SP purchase might eventually be discussed for Tranquility as well. Again, just saying.

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Miss Razor I find it VERY worrying that you would even consider this. Let me reiterate again with some rephrasing, bolding and underlining: There is a thick line between what I as the producer for EVE China would consider suitable for implementation on Serenity and what I would consider suitable for implementation on Tranquility. The markets served by the two servers are vastly different, and it has been a steep learning curve for me to get my head around the peculiarities of the Chinese MMO market. These peculiarities mean that on occasion I have to adopt a rather mercenary approach towards the business of selling an MMO in order to be able to adequatly discuss and debate new business models in a market with its own unique and heavily entrenched challenges, payment models and game styles. I want EVE Online to be successful as a business venture in China, and therefore I will entertain suggestions for alternative approaches for that market in particular. The MMO market in China is enormous and I would be doing CCP and EVE Online as a whole a disservice if I did not try anything within the realms of the possible to make EVE a success story in the Chinese market. The separate server allows the EVE China team some leeway in what we can try and modify, but just as with Tranquility we have a committed and enthusiastic core of players on Serenity. They are proud to be able to label themselves as denizens of New Eden and are just as vocal about proposed changes as Tranquility's community can be. So any decisions and plans we make for Serenity must take those players and the time they have invested into the game into consideration. Long story short: Serenity != Tranquility. Things which happen on Serenity do not affect Tranquility. We have to make some decisions which may run contrary to the "ideals of EVE" in an attempt to make Serenity a success. These decisions will not be made lightly.

Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:46:00 - [36] Good point. If CCP brings in enough money from China they won't have to dumb down the game to appeal to more people in the West. Or something like that.
Doctor Remulak	Posted - 2008.08.29 17:37:00 - [37] They should implement this. The way it should work is each skillpoint costs $10 USD. All purchasers should immediately be reported to their local mental health facility. This would help to solve the growing mmo addiction problem.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.08.29 17:40:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Whisper There is a thick line between what I as the producer for EVE China would consider suitable for implementation on Serenity and what I would consider suitable for implementation on Tranquility. The markets served by the two servers are vastly different That's pretty much what I had to add to the thread, just with less eloquence and more random babbling. Anyways... everything I know about chinese mmos I know from a few articles here and there, so I'm not exactly the leading authority, but as it seems, they really like this howyoucallit microtransaction thing. You could see it as a selling point. I dont think that's a good idea for various reasons, but hey, if they like it, you gonna hafta sell it to them. It's just... when you hear something like that, suddenly you realize, it could happen to YOU
Trind2222 Amarr The Red Ring	Posted - 2008.08.29 17:53:00 - [39] Whisper at fist there was alot of player in Serenity was started but number of players going down I wonder what plans do you have to get numbers up? Have been hard to make the Chinese interested in game? ____________ Wrangler comes back out wearing his wizard hat and robe Wrangler: Hail and well met from Blizzard, how might I assist you?
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:11:00 - [40] Edited by: Jacob Mei on 29/08/2008 18:11:39 Originally by: CCP Whisper Originally by: Miss Razor I find it VERY worrying that you would even consider this. Let me reiterate again with some rephrasing, bolding and underlining: There is a thick line between what I as the producer for EVE China would consider suitable for implementation on Serenity and what I would consider suitable for implementation on Tranquility. The markets served by the two servers are vastly different, and it has been a steep learning curve for me to get my head around the peculiarities of the Chinese MMO market. These peculiarities mean that on occasion I have to adopt a rather mercenary approach towards the business of selling an MMO in order to be able to adequatly discuss and debate new business models in a market with its own unique and heavily entrenched challenges, payment models and game styles. I want EVE Online to be successful as a business venture in China, and therefore I will entertain suggestions for alternative approaches for that market in particular. The MMO market in China is enormous and I would be doing CCP and EVE Online as a whole a disservice if I did not try anything within the realms of the possible to make EVE a success story in the Chinese market. The separate server allows the EVE China team some leeway in what we can try and modify, but just as with Tranquility we have a committed and enthusiastic core of players on Serenity. They are proud to be able to label themselves as denizens of New Eden and are just as vocal about proposed changes as Tranquility's community can be. So any decisions and plans we make for Serenity must take those players and the time they have invested into the game into consideration. Long story short: Serenity != Tranquility. Things which happen on Serenity do not affect Tranquility. We have to make some decisions which may run contrary to the "ideals of EVE" in an attempt to make Serenity a success. These decisions will not be made lightly. Whisper, I know its your job explain the diffrences between what goes on on the two servers, but your wasting your time. These individuals just read your first line and go OMG THEY ARE GOING TO LET PEOPLE BUY SP NOW!!1!! You could spend a whole hour after that first line writing a post about how diffrent the two markets are but the fact is that these fear mongers are so wrapped up with the idea that people on another server they cant even access -might- get to buy SP that they will completely and totally ignore everything else you say to them. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Jacob Mei Whisper, I know its your job explain the diffrences between what goes on on the two servers, but your wasting your time. These individuals just read your first line and go OMG THEY ARE GOING TO LET PEOPLE BUY SP NOW!!1!! You could spend a whole hour after that first line writing a post about how diffrent the two markets are but the fact is that these fear mongers are so wrapped up with the idea that people on another server they cant even access -might- get to buy SP that they will completely and totally ignore everything else you say to them. One upside is we now have a nice quote to put in any threads started on the issue, instead of having to discuss theoreticals. - DesuSigs
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:17:00 - [42] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jacob Mei Whisper, I know its your job explain the diffrences between what goes on on the two servers, but your wasting your time. These individuals just read your first line and go OMG THEY ARE GOING TO LET PEOPLE BUY SP NOW!!1!! You could spend a whole hour after that first line writing a post about how diffrent the two markets are but the fact is that these fear mongers are so wrapped up with the idea that people on another server they cant even access -might- get to buy SP that they will completely and totally ignore everything else you say to them. One upside is we now have a nice quote to put in any threads started on the issue, instead of having to discuss theoreticals. Perhaps, but honestly its this sort of thing that in my opinion contributes to the devs not routinely talking to us as they used to. I know I would be tired of having every single word I say disected, taken out of context and used as fodder that generates a 10 page rant thread while im sitting on the john during my 15 minute break. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:24:00 - [43] I don't really consider this a waste of my time. Rumour control is an uphill struggle no matter what the subject, but I would be remiss in my duties if I did not at least try. Plus I hope at least some people consider the basic explanation of the differences between our markets informative. The responses go into the dev finder and at some point people who remember that I am the person responsible for EVE China will use that to dig them out and save me the time of typing them all over again.

Mordekai Bloodwake Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:30:00 - [44] Edited by: Mordekai Bloodwake on 29/08/2008 18:30:30 Originally by: CCP Whisper Originally by: Lord Fitz (......) Actually we never went into the Chinese market with the aim of modifying EVE to include microtransactions. We want EVE to survive on its own merits. Quote: However business is business and if you find your game model is not successful you start considering other ways to attract players. Whether we actually implement any of the ideas we have come up with is debatable, as really you need to include microtransactions in the game from the early design stages. Ramrodding it in at a later point when you have an established playerbase might not make good sense. JESUS CHRIST I WISH CLOSED MINDED PLAYERS UNDERSTOOD THAT!!!!
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:35:00 - [45] Originally by: CCP Whisper I don't really consider this a waste of my time. Rumour control is an uphill struggle no matter what the subject, but I would be remiss in my duties if I did not at least try. Plus I hope at least some people consider the basic explanation of the differences between our markets informative. The responses go into the dev finder and at some point people who remember that I am the person responsible for EVE China will use that to dig them out and save me the time of typing them all over again. I'm pleased about the time you've given the thread, as well as the patience you've had to return to it when certein...thick-headed individuals didn't really understand the first time. _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Trind2222 Whisper at fist there was alot of player in Serenity was started but number of players going down I wonder what plans do you have to get numbers up? Have been hard to make the Chinese interested in game? We're working with Optic, our business partner in China, on improving the marketing for EVE overall. We've tried some different promotions in the past year. Some of them worked, others did not. Optic will be running a colour ad in the October issue of Science Fiction World that looks absolutely stunning (I think EVE graphics with Chinese text just look twice as awesome). That will hopefully get us a boost in trials. I'm also keeping a close eye on the work being done on the New Player Experience for Tranquility. The more we can ease access to information about EVE the better it is. It has been a slow start, but we are growing and we now have a core of committed and loyal EVE players. I think some of the plans Optic has come with for marketing will also pay off in the near future.

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:53:00 - [47] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/08/2008 18:53:35 How do I say this nicely... Dont put this on TQ. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.08.29 19:00:00 - [48] Originally by: CCP Whisper Originally by: Lord Fitz Tranquility is the testing ground for what happens over there, there isn't going to be a reversal, their server is behind on patches / expansions also. The whole reason it is a seperate server is because the concept of selling items for $$ was always going to have to be part of their version, and CCP didn't want to impose that on TQ. Actually we never went into the Chinese market with the aim of modifying EVE to include microtransactions. We want EVE to survive on its own merits. However business is business and if you find your game model is not successful you start considering other ways to attract players. Whether we actually implement any of the ideas we have come up with is debatable, as really you need to include microtransactions in the game from the early design stages. Ramrodding it in at a later point when you have an established playerbase might not make good sense. Sorry I meant the idea of players selling their own items for real money and vice versa, that strictly isn't allowed on TQ but my understanding was that Serenity didn't police that. Obviously in TQ you can't afford to even think of being this experimental due to the established playerbase. From what I saw of Serenity while there is some playerbase, there's always the option of such a change there, which would never ever fly here (it would likely mean financial ruin, I find it amusing that anyone could even be worried about such an idea hitting TQ).
wardey	Posted - 2008.08.29 19:23:00 - [49] many MMO or new MMO are embracing microtransaction model these days in china,outsiders dont know how much money this model generates. chinese market is huge, bigger than whole euro combine, and tbh, CCP isnt doing good in china, due to different culture, what chinese players want is easy coming power, they laugh at the concept of something that requires waiting a whole year to play properly, impatient is what i am talking about, they will pay a lot more than u think for visual items. if one day CCP adapt, it will surely suffer image impact in the west.
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.08.29 19:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Chochos Let SERENITY(china-server) purchase sp (not TQ) .... Then spend all the money on TQ hardware/development? Good idea !! This, tbhà You should also have to pay Concord, with real money, or get blown up. Randomly.
Jaabaa Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.29 19:51:00 - [51] What is disappointing about all of this, is the fact that it really is quite doable on TQ already and some of you think that the Chinese (closed) market is the same as the global one. What do I mean by it's already doable on TQ ? 1. Buy a load of ETCs 2. Sell (the above ETCs) for ISK 3. Use the (ETC) ISK to buy an auction'ed character. 4. Hey Presto, RL money for SP. -- EVE Mobile Skill Planner V3 !! http://evemsp.sourceforge.net/
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.29 19:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Beltantis Torrence You should also have to pay Concord, with real money, or get blown up. Randomly. Sounds good… although I would change "or" to "and", just for the hell of it I pay €12.95/month to CONCORD, and demand random explosions to be part of that fee!
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.08.29 19:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Jaabaa What is disappointing about all of this, is the fact that it really is quite doable on TQ already and some of you think that the Chinese (closed) market is the same as the global one. What do I mean by it's already doable on TQ ? 1. Buy a load of ETCs 2. Sell (the above ETCs) for ISK 3. Use the (ETC) ISK to buy an auction'ed character. 4. Hey Presto, RL money for SP. TBH that's not that much of a problem, because those SP are limited to what is player produced, and then the isk has to go to another ingame char. What would be a problem is a) people turning ISK into $$, thus causing peoples motivation to be something other than 'fun'. b) extra items / SP etc spawning due to that real $$ entering, thus devaluing items that other people have worked for / earnt the hard way. Money for SP isn't as damaging as Money for spawned items though, not by a long shot, because in reality having better skills doesn't hugely affect other players. Though it would affect the traded char's market.

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