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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:30:00 -
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My alt is 4 days away from being able to fly my first HAC, an Ishtar. I am well experienced in fitting a PVE Dominix but alas my PVP sucks resulting in not killing anything. I need to get HAS to level 4/5 to fit all my favorite drones in.
Drones skills are good-mostly at level 5 for the ones that matter & tec2 tank. I also have AWU5.
I want to be able to pummel targets at range with tec2 Wardens so the fit needs to take this into account for maximum range. It would also be nice for once not to worry about being scrammed-or be able to deal with this and those pesky inti's.
So-if somebody can come up with a good fit for me to play around in with my new toy that would be great. I wont worry about loosing this ship as it is a learning ship so the experience will be good. Those of you who have killed me loads of times know that I don't cry when my toy goes bang!
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Conwright
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:47:00 -
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You've got a few choices. Most people, including me, nano it. The general setup would be something like:
3 125mm II's for ceptors, med neut and a cloak in highs
2 lse, mwd, point and whatever else in last mid, (tracking disruptor, cap injector/battery/eccm/web)
Lows are 3 overdrives and 2 nanofibers
Rigs are 2 polys.
I use 7 t2 ogres, 5 berserkers and 5 warriors. Works a treat 
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Bloody Love
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Bloody Love on 27/08/2008 13:53:06
Use a Vexor until you don't feel like such a noob anymore... It's way too expensive to learn PvP in an Ishtar 
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Bloody Love
Edited by: Bloody Love on 27/08/2008 13:53:06
Use a Vexor until you don't feel like such a noob anymore... It's way too expensive to learn PvP in an Ishtar
Good advice but I'm a carebear really so 250 Million is peanuts when you can farm AE for a week & I cant pack in as many of my favorite drone toys.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:06:00 -
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Its not about the isk. Its about starting to feel comfortable pvping in some ship since you never did it before. Trust me...the first few ships you gonna lose are going down the hard way
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:46:00 -
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Besides,a shiney pimped out ship always goes down first :P |
Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Besides,a shiney pimped out ship always goes down first :P
I hardly think a tec2 fit is pimped out. How can you ever get comfortable in a class of ship without flying it. A Vexor is not an Ishtar as an example given so I hardly feel comfortable getting used to a ship I'm not going to use much. I think I'll stick to the tactic of getting used to what I want to fly for a long time and the Ishtar currently suits me nicely as it will compliment my 5 million plus drone skill points.
If I loose a few-it is only virtual money & pixels so no real loss except for my pride and your gain on the kill mail. |
Mr Ignitious
Gallente
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:07:00 -
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personally i would have to say that sentries are great for pve, however in pvp they aren't too great. The problems you run into would be if you start moving, you have to go back to get them, otherwise you're stationary making you and easily squishable target.
Picking off inties probably wont fly too well as wardens definitely dont have the tracking. Until the speed patch, nano fit ishtar is def the way to do it. After that, i'd say play with eft till you can get some semblance of a tank fit (its very difficult to do given its cpu/pg restrictions...imo atleast)
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Cry5i5
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ignitious
personally i would have to say that sentries are great for pve, however in pvp they aren't too great.
All i use is sentries if u know how to use them they are v.good
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:21:00 -
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I see Wardens being deployed in a gatecamp to attack stray battleships with my Ishtar supported with some friends. Inti's would be better attacked with fast light drones & maybe a neut-if you ever got close enough.
I thank all of you for your insights.
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cry5i5
Originally by: Mr Ignitious
personally i would have to say that sentries are great for pve, however in pvp they aren't too great.
All i use is sentries if u know how to use them they are v.good
Tell me how you use them particulary with regard to an Ishtar deploying them
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Elhina Novae
Destruction Reborn
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:30:00 -
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Really try out a Vexor first. You will die alot of times over and over again your during your first pvp experiences.
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
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There's an Amarr problem?
Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
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Ayden Pride
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:47:00 -
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try using tracking link enchancers to give those sentries some better tracking n optimal fit. Get the ewar drone skill up to give yourself some more control range and throw a mwd on it, intys come just mwd away n ur drones should work...
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Besides,a shiney pimped out ship always goes down first :P
I hardly think a tec2 fit is pimped out. How can you ever get comfortable in a class of ship without flying it. A Vexor is not an Ishtar as an example given so I hardly feel comfortable getting used to a ship I'm not going to use much. I think I'll stick to the tactic of getting used to what I want to fly for a long time and the Ishtar currently suits me nicely as it will compliment my 5 million plus drone skill points.
If I loose a few-it is only virtual money & pixels so no real loss except for my pride and your gain on the kill mail.
True that, if you want, I am not going to stop you. Just wish I had the same isk to go around :P. Its not so much about the ship as the setting tho ;)
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Domin Mae
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:04:00 -
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Not to be a d1ck, but you can lose ten Vexors for the cost of an Ishtar and you'd probably learn a lot more in the process. If you're good in a Vexor -- a less capable ship compared to the Ishtar -- then you should be damned amazing in an Ishtar. Just my thoughts, but hey, you pay to play, enjoy.
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Domin Mae
Not to be a d1ck, but you can lose ten Vexors for the cost of an Ishtar and you'd probably learn a lot more in the process. If you're good in a Vexor -- a less capable ship compared to the Ishtar -- then you should be damned amazing in an Ishtar. Just my thoughts, but hey, you pay to play, enjoy.
I see the sense in your discussion. I am going to take the middle road. I'm going to buy 2 or 3 Vexors & the Ishtar. Learn about the Vexor & then fly the Ishtar for a few weeks in Empire-you never know I might come across a war target then see how things go.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:19:00 -
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And when you do go pop, don't always assume that the fitting was bad etc. it might have been the perfect fit, but lack of experience or just plain simply bad luck that you got popped.
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
And when you do go pop, don't always assume that the fitting was bad etc. it might have been the perfect fit, but lack of experience or just plain simply bad luck that you got popped.
Sadly it would be lack of experience or bad luck. I really no nothing about PVP-anybody out there want to teach me?-I will give somebody 100 million ISK if they rise to the challenge of teaching a complete noob but with reasonable skills
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:52:00 -
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Best way to learn, spend that 100mil on cheap ass incursus/vexor and get into the mix!
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Annowyn
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:03:00 -
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My pvp advice:
Pick a course of action and stick with it. If you change your mind half-way through things may very well fall apart faster than you hoped.
I could be wrong though, but it works for me. 
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Uhr Zylex
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:14:00 -
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The secret to success is fitting lasers.
I'm not even joking, I have over 50 solokills in the last month with this setup.
The ishtar is skill intensive and requires some actual reflexes and knowledge to fly. Those who have achieved the mysterious identity can not be approached, and they can not be alienated.
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Uhr Zylex
The secret to success is fitting lasers.
I'm not even joking, I have over 50 solokills in the last month with this setup.
The ishtar is skill intensive and requires some actual reflexes and knowledge to fly. Those who have achieved the mysterious identity can not be approached, and they can not be alienated.
I agree with all of this on the skill front. The Alt who is flying the Ishtar has good skills including 5 million skill points in drones but always has been a PVE participant.
Whilst the ship may be to advanced for a novice PVP player one is forced not to ignore the drone skills which are fairly good. It is a bit of a rock & a hard place whether to go with this ship class but only time will tell.
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:29:00 -
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Enjoy the ishtar for now. If CCP's wonderful changes go through, you'd be better off with a Domi in 90% of PVP situations. 
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.08.28 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Enjoy the ishtar for now. If CCP's wonderful changes go through, you'd be better off with a Domi in 90% of PVP situations.
I really have no experience with the Ishtar as I cant sit in her (my alt) until Sunday so I really have no expectations.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:02:00 -
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I agree that the OP should fly vexors at first in lowsec. However, a vexor and a nanotar are two vastly different ships and aside from the general PvP knowhow there's little he can learn about the Ishtar from flying a vexor.
But if the OP hasn't got the general PvP knowhow already, then he MUST get it (the learning curve in an Ishtar is just too expensive). Join a corp with access to 0.0 and lowsec space, learn how gangs work and operate and who's a threat or target to you.
Best way to learn how to fly a Nano is probably to fly ceptors, alternatively stabbers.
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Uhr Zylex
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:05:00 -
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I just have to say that I laugh at all these nano people. I have never flown my ishtar nanoed and I can take on basically anything battleship and smaller. My ishtar will work just as fine after the nanonerf.
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Cooley44
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Posted - 2008.08.30 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Uhr Zylex
I just have to say that I laugh at all these nano people. I have never flown my ishtar nanoed and I can take on basically anything battleship and smaller. My ishtar will work just as fine after the nanonerf.
Setup plz?
or are you just blowing smoke outta your ass?
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slothe
Caldari
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Love
Edited by: Bloody Love on 27/08/2008 13:53:06
Use a Vexor until you don't feel like such a noob anymore... It's way too expensive to learn PvP in an Ishtar
this is good advice, ignore good advice at your peril.
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slothe
Caldari
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cooley44
Originally by: Uhr Zylex
I just have to say that I laugh at all these nano people. I have never flown my ishtar nanoed and I can take on basically anything battleship and smaller. My ishtar will work just as fine after the nanonerf.
Setup plz?
or are you just blowing smoke outta your ass?
there4 is a setup for ishtars thats non nano that is good, but expensive. work it out yourself, i hardly think hell give you the setup after your comments.
plus most good setups arnt generally posted.
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5v3N
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Posted - 2008.08.30 10:39:00 -
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Well, nano is pretty standard.
[Ishtar, PvP Nano]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Inertia Stabilizers II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Disruptor II
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Ogre II x5
Nano takes a good computer and a good network, if you don't have both, try a tanked one.
[Ishtar, Drone Queen]
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Fleeting Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Prototype ECCM I Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Nanobot Accelerator I
Ogre II x5
I like the tanked one better tbh, 3800m/s is not really fast these days.
But it well shines with a claymore and snake sets, not everyone has access to them though.
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