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Xiaodown
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.24 23:18:00 -
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Duvida wrote:AfroOfDoom wrote:10,058
Ten thousand and fifty eight.
MMMMMMMMMMLVIII
10011101001010
However you write it, it spells one thing: Mandate.
The people of EvE have spoken: ~ chairman for life ~ If I understand correctly, many low, null and WH sec players have high-sec alts? But it still leaves anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 of the EVE playerbase as purely high-sec. I'd bet CCP would wonder about a CSM that was essentially saying that they didn't need to worry about that 1/2 to 1/3 of their subscription income. Regardless of their origins, the CSM still has to look at the entire picture and present ideas that allow the whole of the game to grow. Now as to the idea that some parts might grow faster than other parts is a different deal, just as long as it results in benefit to the whole. But no neglect, please.
Depends on how the are calculating those numbers in that person's signature. I find it hard to believe that 67% of actual playing prime accounts live in high sec, too, though. I have three characters, which means I have three characters with 50m skillpoints that live in 0.0, and 6 characters that are cyno alts in low sec / high sec. So.... yeah, if it's counting by the character and not by the primary account, 67% of my characters aren't in 0.0. I am a statistic. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
92
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Posted - 2012.03.24 23:58:00 -
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LegendaryFrog wrote:Congratulations Mittani in once again showing that you have the overwhelming support of the ALT Accounts
FYP
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
355
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Posted - 2012.03.25 00:09:00 -
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Xiaodown wrote:Duvida wrote:AfroOfDoom wrote:10,058
Ten thousand and fifty eight.
MMMMMMMMMMLVIII
10011101001010
However you write it, it spells one thing: Mandate.
The people of EvE have spoken: ~ chairman for life ~ If I understand correctly, many low, null and WH sec players have high-sec alts? But it still leaves anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 of the EVE playerbase as purely high-sec. I'd bet CCP would wonder about a CSM that was essentially saying that they didn't need to worry about that 1/2 to 1/3 of their subscription income. Regardless of their origins, the CSM still has to look at the entire picture and present ideas that allow the whole of the game to grow. Now as to the idea that some parts might grow faster than other parts is a different deal, just as long as it results in benefit to the whole. But no neglect, please. Depends on how the are calculating those numbers in that person's signature. I find it hard to believe that 67% of actual playing prime accounts live in high sec, too, though. I have three characters, which means I have three characters with 50m skillpoints that live in 0.0, and 6 characters that are cyno alts in low sec / high sec. So.... yeah, if it's counting by the character and not by the primary account, 67% of my characters aren't in 0.0. I am a statistic.
The data in my signature are from CCP Diagoras' tweet and they count logged in characters at a given time (november 2011 IIRC).
What do they represent exactly is moot, but if 2/3 of characters logged in are in hisec, certainly that means that hisec is relevant to players. Also there was older data telling that 24% of players were mission runners, back in 2010.
But then the CSM 7 election has been about someone inflating his ego with thousands of dedicated alt accounts, and a few good men (and a woman) actually struggling to get votes. It's fine with me, that's not my business.
Anyway, wether CCP got a clue on how the CSM relates to player base is quite moot, too. In an accident, usually the people healthy enough to cry for help are not the ones in the direst need of medical care... and IMHO, EVE is suffering from a slow but deadly silent hemorrage of people who spend some time, gather some million SP, and then find out they're already doing everything that could interest them about EVE and all what's left to keep them engaged (aka "endgame content") is nullsec.
If i had a MMORPG and found out that a mere 20% of my players log in to enjoy my endgame content, and the rest are scattered in places where they're gonna run out of a reason to play sooner than later, i would kinda worry about it. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.25 00:14:00 -
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Now if nullsec and sov-warfare actually were the only interesting endgame content... |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.03.25 00:36:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:So 8,477 voters were 30 days old... democracy at its finest.
Of those accounts, I would love to know to whom they gave their votes.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Jita Alt666
961
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Posted - 2012.03.25 00:47:00 -
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big Ups to the new zealanders - 24% of you suckers voted? nothing better to do down there? |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.25 01:03:00 -
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Congrats, Seleene. Nice to see that you made it. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
362
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Posted - 2012.03.25 01:04:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:So 8,477 voters were 30 days old... democracy at its finest. Of those accounts, I would love to know to whom they gave their votes. Hopefully CCP does too.
Hopefully. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
OfBalance
Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2012.03.25 02:45:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:FW is pretty much dead for me. RP has been all but killed off
And yet the turnout of voters for Hans compared to the number of active FW pilots was pathetic. I'm not saying nobody cares, but apparently a large number of FW pilots didn't seem to support their own candidate.
Pretty amusing if you ask me. |
LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.03.25 03:23:00 -
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GO Two Step.
Wspace = Best space bloc is strong, I hope we can get the voting numbers by sec status, I am curious to see how many people in wspace voted to get over 4000 votes. |
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Sahara
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.25 03:32:00 -
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So how many of the elected CSM members actually get to go to Iceland? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.03.25 05:56:00 -
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Seven |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:00:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What do they represent exactly is moot, but if 2/3 of characters logged in are in hisec, certainly that means that hisec is relevant to players.
There is nothing stopping highsec and lowsec candidates from running. If 2/3 of players play primarily in highsec, they should easily be able to stuff the CSM with representatives. Voting is easy, it takes a couple seconds.
The vast majority of voters voted for nullsec or WH candidates. Heck, 17% of voters voted for The Mittani. Most people who voted, voted for winning candidates. Why do you blame the voters and/or CCP for this result, rather than all the thousands of non-voters? |
Stirko Hek
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:15:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:This is the last year when you use an entirely unregulated system, right?
Career politicians, virtual and real, inevitably become corrupt (or in some cases, more corrupt) so a maximum term limit should be in place. Eve is more than Blob-land/Bore-sec, there should be at least one seat per area of Eve (High/Low/Null). CSM6 and their complete ignorance in everything not bore-sec has already done heaps of damage to high/low, not their fault really as they are greedy egocentrics like everyone else, but a homogeneous council is BAD for Eve .. especially when you at CCP are even more clueless as to what is happening in the game (ref: FW presentation).
FW is pretty much dead for me. RP has been all but killed off, systems flip in less time than it takes for me to complete a work shift, visiting super-blobs and Titan bridges are becoming ever more frequent, it is still Rust'or'Bust (Winmatar) 90% of the time .. you have in short managed to make it BORING!
In short, your system doesn't work how I want it to so you need to change it to a system that works in a manner that pleases me. With logic like that, you'll go far in life. |
Prodomicer
Draconis Coalition
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:52:00 -
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It's all a SCAM ! |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1980
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:05:00 -
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Thanks to everyone who voted!
Treb The Polls are open! Click here to vote for Trebor *-áMy Election Thread * Voter's Guide |
Francisco Bizzaro
5
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:06:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote: There was a disturbing number of young account voters.
Yep thats a lot of one month chars - 8,447 of them Yeah, in principle CCP should do something about that. Unlikely though, since it's good business for them. That's a lot of PLEX burned.
59109 = 16.63% gives a user base of 355k accounts. So the CSM election gives them a 2.4% population spike once a year.
And if you think of it in dollar terms at $15 an account, 8447 votes brings in about $125k. So if all they cost are a few trips to Iceland, the CSM probably almost pays for itself.
(Or from another perspective, if the Goons are paying for the CSM, I guess it's only appropriate that they chair it ...)
Anyhow, congratulations to the winners, and good job, Hans. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:38:00 -
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I was under the impression that accounts with less than 2 months on them couldn't vote. Is that incorrect? |
Bent Barrel
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:49:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:I was under the impression that accounts with less than 2 months on them couldn't vote. Is that incorrect?
this would interest me too ... I mean there's always a minimum age to vote in every election in the real world ....
as for the highsec vs rest of the world discussion, look at it this way:
zerosec residents need to cooperate in some way to be successful. higsec people do not. the CSM7 results pretty much show this. |
Francisco Bizzaro
5
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:59:00 -
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Bent Barrel wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I was under the impression that accounts with less than 2 months on them couldn't vote. Is that incorrect? this would interest me too ... I mean there's always a minimum age to vote in every election in the real world .... I don't know what the rule is, but Diagoras seems to have counted 30-day old characters in his stats.
To be fair, I think 8447 refers to characters "at least 30 days and less than 250 days", so it's not as if all of those accounts were bought for the election. |
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
464
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:00:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: If i had a MMORPG and found out that a mere 20% of my players log in to enjoy my endgame content, and the rest are scattered in places where they're gonna run out of a reason to play sooner than later, i would kinda worry about it.
20% would be pretty good - the percentage of WoW subscribers that engage in end-game content (raiding) was usually estimated at half that (pre-raid finder), the other 90% are apparently happy leveling alts and completing achievements. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:29:00 -
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The Boy Done Good
The Goons organized and ran a successful campaign.
That is how elections are won. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
355
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Posted - 2012.03.25 09:12:00 -
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Anela Cistine wrote:[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai]What do they represent exactly is moot, but if 2/3 of characters logged in are in hisec, certainly that means that hisec is relevant to players. [/quote
There is nothing stopping highsec and lowsec candidates from running. If 2/3 of players play primarily in highsec, they should easily be able to stuff the CSM with representatives. Voting is easy, it takes a couple seconds
The vast majority of voters voted for nullsec or WH candidates. Heck, 17% of voters voted for The Mittani. Most people who voted, voted for winning candidates. Why do you blame the voters and/or CCP for this result, rather than all the thousands of non-voters?
You are American, aren't you? Maybe when you listen that some poor devils are starving in some forgotten corner of the world you think they should go and eat at some Mc Donalds instead of starve?
There are many ways to rig an election, and one of the most successful ones is by ensuring that only those that vote for you are actually interested in voting, and then blame everyone else for being too lazy to vote.
See, if I was veing elected by 50,000 measly votes out of 350,000 potential voters, i would make everything possible to ensure that most of those other 300,000 suckers never bother to vote... lest they vote for someone else.
BTW, out of 10,000 new votes in this election, 8,500 are from bloc alts created precisely to rig the election, pump Mitten's ego and act as a firewall against the threat posed by having only 7 tickets to Iceland and the rising of alternate organized candidates (like Hans or Issler).
As i said, the CSM elections are democracy at its finest... dystopia style.
As a final reflexion, think of this: when only those who compromise are allowed to talk, then they will feel entitled to dismiss those who didn't compromise, and so this"entitlement of the compromised" lies in the foundations of every tyranny of the few upon the many. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.25 09:27:00 -
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As much as I am against Mittens because of his ego problem, I am going to defend him to the extent that if CCP had any concerns about how he got his votes, they would have carried out an investigation and acted on any issues they found.
He won because the vast majority of Eve players did not care enough to organize to beat him.
Mittens can hardly be blamed for that.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
393
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Posted - 2012.03.25 09:34:00 -
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Looking forwards to another year of tears and conspiracy theories.
10k votes 4 lyfe! |
Francisco Bizzaro
5
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Posted - 2012.03.25 10:32:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:As much as I am against Mittens because of his ego problem, I am going to defend him to the extent that if CCP had any concerns about how he got his votes, they would have carried out an investigation and acted on any issues they found.
Most assuredly not. I don't think there are a lot of rules to this election beyond one-account-one-vote, so it's hard to call someone out for breaking rules.
But on the other hand, there's no reason to believe that CCP will be naive about the results. The CSM is an advisory council with no actual authority, and CCP can choose to listen to their advice or not. CCP is a business which wants to make customers happy, so the CSM has power only to the extent that they accurately represent the feelings of the player base. If it's clear from the stats that one or another candidate has skewed the numbers and is advocating for a niche interest, CCP has every opportunity to ignore them, whether they do it publicly or not.
Quote: He won because the vast majority of Eve players did not care enough to organize to beat him.
This is almost a tautology. The Eve players who are inclined to organize politically are exactly those who are already involved in null-sec alliance politics. The others are not organized exactly because that aspect of the game/meta-game doesn't appeal to them. So they are disenfranchised unless they engage in a process that doesn't interest them for a game that they pay a subscription for "fun". Fortunately, for the reasons mentioned above, the dis-enfranchisement isn't particularly serious.
There's often a hint of blame when people comment on how non-bloc voters are disinterested or disorganized. But it's a perfectly valid play-style - and one which tends to vote with their dollars, which in the end is the most effective anyway. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
355
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Posted - 2012.03.25 10:59:00 -
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See this:
1: The Mittani 5,365 / The Mittani10,058
2: Seleene 3,813 / Two Step 4,150
3: UAxDEATH 3,320 / Elise Randolph 3,714
4: Trebor Daehdoow 3,306 / Greene Lee 3,329
5: Killer2 2,925 / Trebor Daehdoow 3,184
6: White Tree 2,539 / Kelduum Revaan 3,163
7: Vile Rat 2,240 / Seleene 2,845
8: Meissa Anunthiel 2,086 / UAxDEATH 2,465
9: Draco Llasa 1,986 / Hans Jagerblitzen 2,439
10: Elise Randolph 1,747 / Meissa Anunthiel 2,289
11: Prometheus Exenthal 1,341 / Dovinian 2,284
12: Krutoj 1,090 / Issler Dainze 1,561
13:Two Step 956 / Alekseyev Karrde 1,533
14:Darius III 921 / Darius III 1,282
Out of 10,000 new votes, we know that 8,500 have been rigged by the blocs (they can be tracked even from within CCP Diagora's daily updates)
Also, candidates aimed to "people who didn't vote" gathered no less than 4,000 votes.
Also a "transversal" candidate such as Seleene has taken a serious blow (whereas Meissa didn't).
If you ask me, CSM 7 has actually lost voters compared to CSM 6. 4,000 new voters from Issler and Hans only reflect as 1,500 extra actual votes.
So, with all blocs full speed ahead, the CSM 7 barely achieved to call for actual new voters.
This election seriously smells of FAIL. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
355
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Posted - 2012.03.25 11:12:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:As much as I am against Mittens because of his ego problem, I am going to defend him to the extent that if CCP had any concerns about how he got his votes, they would have carried out an investigation and acted on any issues they found.
Most assuredly not. I don't think there are a lot of rules to this election beyond one-account-one-vote, so it's hard to call someone out for breaking rules. But on the other hand, there's no reason to believe that CCP will be naive about the results. The CSM is an advisory council with no actual authority, and CCP can choose to listen to their advice or not. CCP is a business which wants to make customers happy, so the CSM has power only to the extent that they accurately represent the feelings of the player base. If it's clear from the stats that one or another candidate has skewed the numbers and is advocating for a niche interest, CCP has every opportunity to ignore them, whether they do it publicly or not. Quote: He won because the vast majority of Eve players did not care enough to organize to beat him.
This is almost a tautology. The Eve players who are inclined to organize politically are exactly those who are already involved in null-sec alliance politics. The others are not organized exactly because that aspect of the game/meta-game doesn't appeal to them. So they are disenfranchised unless they engage in a process that doesn't interest them for a game that they pay a subscription for "fun". Fortunately, for the reasons mentioned above, the dis-enfranchisement isn't particularly serious. There's often a hint of blame when people comment on how non-bloc voters are disinterested or disorganized. But it's a perfectly valid play-style - and one which tends to vote with their dollars, which in the end is the most effective anyway. Regardless of Mittani's "mandate" among the 17% who voted, CCP is most interested in keeping happy the 83% who didn't, so nobody needs to fret about the results. The Disorganized Non-Voter Party is still the most powerful voting bloc in Eve.
That measly 17% are the ones who talk to CCP. The rest just quit once they come across EVE's shortcomings.
Certainly CCP is doing itself a poor favor by not listening to those of us who vote with our wallet AND make noise rather than leave in silence. I would be out of here since Crucible if weren't because I pre-paid this account for 6 months, and certainly will stop bothering myself about this game once that money runs out.
So in a way they can perfectly dismiss me, as I am not a paying customer any more... after 3+ years and 800+ euros, that is. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.03.25 11:53:00 -
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Diagoras, I'd like to see some more breakdowns:
Per candidate voter "age" numbers.
Alliance/Corp affiliation of voters, you can cull any group with under 100 voters.
Per candidate affiliation of voters. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
28
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Posted - 2012.03.25 11:56:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:~endless pathetic whining~. Omg, just stop it
CSM5: 8,598 votes from month-old accounts, or 21.8% CSM 6: 7,200 month-old votes, or 14.67% CSM7: 8,447, or 14.29%
There is absolutely NOTHING out of the ordinary here. If anything, this election seems a lot less 'rigged' than CSM5.
I am not affiliated with Goonswarm or K162 in any way and I voted for The Mittani and Two Step. I know several other people who also gave vote(s) to Mittens even though they are primarily w-space or even hisec players.
Hisec zombies don't vote because they don't really care about the game, most are just visitors. So they get no voice in the CSM. Working as it should. |
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