There was a disturbing number of young account voters.

Do you think CCP will ever divulge what they do with Abstain votes?

I'm not even asking any longer what it's for, or why they count them, I'm now just after wondering if CCP would ever care to say what the point of them is.

The number of Abstains is actually the number of active accounts that logged no vote. How many is that? It's enough to show you how relevant most people think the CSM is, so you don't like that number enough to count it, but the abstains you do like....

Would you ever tell us the purpose of them?

How on earth can the CSM be objective and representative of the bulk of EVE players with one sided narrow minded, griefing corps like GoonWaffe at the helm, where their only interest in EVE is only whats good for them.

Yours
Disgustedly

10,058

Ten thousand and fifty eight.

MMMMMMMMMMLVIII

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However you write it, it spells one thing: Mandate.

SOME people of EvE have spoken: ~ chairman for life ~

10,058

Ten thousand and fifty eight.

MMMMMMMMMMLVIII

10011101001010

However you write it, it spells one thing: Mandate.

The people of EvE have spoken: ~ chairman for life ~

How on earth can the CSM be objective and representative of the bulk of EVE players with one sided narrow minded, griefing corps like GoonWaffe at the helm, where their only interest in EVE is only whats good for them.

Yours
Disgustedly

How on earth can the CSM be objective and representative of the bulk of EVE players with one sided narrow minded, griefing corps like GoonWaffe at the helm, where their only interest in EVE is only whats good for them.

Yours
Disgustedly

If I understand correctly, many low, null and WH sec players have high-sec alts? But it still leaves anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 of the EVE playerbase as purely high-sec.

I'd bet CCP would wonder about a CSM that was essentially saying that they didn't need to worry about that 1/2 to 1/3 of their subscription income.

Regardless of their origins, the CSM still has to look at the entire picture and present ideas that allow the whole of the game to grow. Now as to the idea that some parts might grow faster than other parts is a different deal, just as long as it results in benefit to the whole. But no neglect, please.

Congratulations Mittani in once again showing that you have the overwhelming support of the ALT Accounts

Depends on how the are calculating those numbers in that person's signature. I find it hard to believe that 67% of actual playing prime accounts live in high sec, too, though. I have three characters, which means I have three characters with 50m skillpoints that live in 0.0, and 6 characters that are cyno alts in low sec / high sec. So.... yeah, if it's counting by the character and not by the primary account, 67% of my characters aren't in 0.0. I am a statistic.

So 8,477 voters were 30 days old... democracy at its finest.

Of those accounts, I would love to know to whom they gave their votes.

FW is pretty much dead for me. RP has been all but killed off

What do they represent exactly is moot, but if 2/3 of characters logged in are in hisec, certainly that means that hisec is relevant to players.

This is the last year when you use an entirely unregulated system, right?

Career politicians, virtual and real, inevitably become corrupt (or in some cases, more corrupt) so a maximum term limit should be in place.
Eve is more than Blob-land/Bore-sec, there should be at least one seat per area of Eve (High/Low/Null). CSM6 and their complete ignorance in everything not bore-sec has already done heaps of damage to high/low, not their fault really as they are greedy egocentrics like everyone else, but a homogeneous council is BAD for Eve .. especially when you at CCP are even more clueless as to what is happening in the game (ref: FW presentation).

FW is pretty much dead for me. RP has been all but killed off, systems flip in less time than it takes for me to complete a work shift, visiting super-blobs and Titan bridges are becoming ever more frequent, it is still Rust'or'Bust (Winmatar) 90% of the time .. you have in short managed to make it BORING!

Yep thats a lot of one month chars - 8,447 of them

I was under the impression that accounts with less than 2 months on them couldn't vote. Is that incorrect?

this would interest me too ... I mean there's always a minimum age to vote in every election in the real world ....

If i had a MMORPG and found out that a mere 20% of my players log in to enjoy my endgame content, and the rest are scattered in places where they're gonna run out of a reason to play sooner than later, i would kinda worry about it.

[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai]What do they represent exactly is moot, but if 2/3 of characters logged in are in hisec, certainly that means that hisec is relevant to players. [/quote

There is nothing stopping highsec and lowsec candidates from running. If 2/3 of players play primarily in highsec, they should easily be able to stuff the CSM with representatives. Voting is easy, it takes a couple seconds

The vast majority of voters voted for nullsec or WH candidates. Heck, 17% of voters voted for The Mittani. Most people who voted, voted for winning candidates. Why do you blame the voters and/or CCP for this result, rather than all the thousands of non-voters?

As much as I am against Mittens because of his ego problem, I am going to defend him to the extent that if CCP had any concerns about how he got his votes, they would have carried out an investigation and acted on any issues they found.

He won because the vast majority of Eve players did not care enough to organize to beat him.

Most assuredly not. I don't think there are a lot of rules to this election beyond one-account-one-vote, so it's hard to call someone out for breaking rules.

But on the other hand, there's no reason to believe that CCP will be naive about the results. The CSM is an advisory council with no actual authority, and CCP can choose to listen to their advice or not. CCP is a business which wants to make customers happy, so the CSM has power only to the extent that they accurately represent the feelings of the player base. If it's clear from the stats that one or another candidate has skewed the numbers and is advocating for a niche interest, CCP has every opportunity to ignore them, whether they do it publicly or not.


This is almost a tautology. The Eve players who are inclined to organize politically are exactly those who are already involved in null-sec alliance politics. The others are not organized exactly because that aspect of the game/meta-game doesn't appeal to them. So they are disenfranchised unless they engage in a process that doesn't interest them for a game that they pay a subscription for "fun". Fortunately, for the reasons mentioned above, the dis-enfranchisement isn't particularly serious.

There's often a hint of blame when people comment on how non-bloc voters are disinterested or disorganized. But it's a perfectly valid play-style - and one which tends to vote with their dollars, which in the end is the most effective anyway.

Regardless of Mittani's "mandate" among the 17% who voted, CCP is most interested in keeping happy the 83% who didn't, so nobody needs to fret about the results. The Disorganized Non-Voter Party is still the most powerful voting bloc in Eve.

~endless pathetic whining~.

Hisec zombies don't vote because they don't really care about the game, most are just visitors. So they get no voice in the CSM. Working as it should.

It's all a SCAM !

Out of 10,000 new votes, we know that 8,500 have been rigged by the blocs (they can be tracked even from within CCP Diagora's daily updates)

Age in days Frequency Cumulative

30 8,447 14.29%

250 8,489 28.65%

500 7,551 41.43%

P.S.- CCP, in the fanfest presentations there was a lot of talk about the 'infinite loop' and 'three pillars' of harvesting, industry, and warfare. You seemed to recognize a need for all three, however yet again you will be spending an entire year on warfare. Salvaging drones and ring mining is cool, but not much in the scheme of things.

This is an area you will find The Mittani in complete agreement with you. After all, if the harvesting and industry parts don't attract enough people, who are we going to suicide gank?

1 hi sec representative! what a waste of time you would get better representation if the CSM was just randomly selected

I was under the impression that accounts with less than 2 months on them couldn't vote. Is that incorrect?

~more conspiracy bullshit~

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It's not that you're a sperger incapable of acknowledging differing opinions or that, God forbid, you may be wrong and people might not all approve in masse of your ideas after all; you're a valiant crusader for Invisible Pubbies (Mittens 2012).

Really, there're three options if you really dislike the results of this election or goons or something.

1. Grow up a little. CCP's focus for this year is looking more and more like it's going to be on industry and PvE which is what a good chunk of the angry folks wanted to begin with. We'll still ask for changes to PvP as well, but that's because there're still clear issues.

2. Whine and ***** and demand changes to the voting mechanics, amusing us and rendering yourself irrelevant. Even if the voting mechanics were changed, we'd still win because the conspiracy theories that keep getting proposed only exist in your heads. Of course, when the mechanic changes fail, you'll still be convinced that we cheated somehow so you'll come up with new ones.

In reality, it's all just a mask for what you really want, which is to force the CSM to be what you think it should be, because you think there's a silent majority out there that agrees with you. It's not that you're a sperger incapable of acknowledging differing opinions or that, God forbid, you may be wrong and people might not all approve in masse of your ideas after all; you're a valiant crusader for Invisible Pubbies (Mittens 2012).

Why, oh why won't the CSM listen to the silent majority?

Because they're silent.

And non-existent.

You stupid pubbie.

3. Create your own voting bloc and push a candidate. You won't do this because it might require discovering that not all that many people agree with you after all, and you'll end up having to confront your own flaws. Also you're probably a lazy ball of fat whose big initiative today was waddling from the computer to the fridge to the bathroom to the computer and maybe thinking about taking a shower (you didn't).

Why so mad?

Ah, the CSM..the excuse for bad community managers. The CSM is a scam, Mittens even admitted they manipulated the voting on this. How can CCP even tolerate this?

Goons + Something Awful = Threat to Eve Online as a whole. These people cross the line all the time, taking things into the real world out side Eve. Cheating, using real world threats of violence, using real world threats of black mail, they hack, they abuse, they exploit. They are the enemy and they must be destroyed.

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Trebor Daehdoow - HiSec, generally people who don't know how to play this game
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The CSM is a joke and and of those 10,000 who voted for the goons I wonder how many are paid for accounts rather than alliance funded plex noob accounts?

Lets hope that CCP have the balls to admit the CSM election was rigged and to abolish it.

I am a perfect representative for my constituents, then...

Of those accounts, I would love to know to whom they gave their votes.

Of those accounts, I would love to know to whom they gave their votes.

Also you're probably a lazy ball of fat whose big initiative today was waddling from the computer to the fridge to the bathroom to the computer and maybe thinking about taking a shower (you didn't).

The important question is: with your voting base, can you convince DNSBLACK to let someone else do your alliance panel next year? His presentation was even worse than Michael Bolton's.

I'll say it again,

Mittens is a direct threat to CCP and Eve Online. He should be made, forced, to resign. His direct admission of having rigged, exploited and generally abused the voting system is proof of his and his fellow goons one real desire, "To Destroy Eve Online."

Goon Swarm is a direct threat to CCP as a company, and a Direct Threat to Eve Online as a whole. With continued threats of real world violence, real world black mail, and exploitation, and the threat of more erroneous court cases levied against CCP as they've done in the past, Something Awful and Goonswarm should be destroyed as an entity.

These people are thee absolute worst humanity has to offer. They talk about how dark and deadly Eve Online is, which is true, I've pirated, lost ships, killed people, it's dark and deadly and things happen..

But when you take it outside the game world and literally send death threats to eve online players in the real world, you cross a line. I wonder how a goon would feel if the things they do to others were done to them? if they are truly the insanely immature pieces of garbage I think they are, they might just giggle at it.

All in all, goons and SA and Mittens are all a direct threat to our game and our community.

You should settle down sonny. It's just the internet.

considering that the CSM are the representation of the player base to ccp id hate to think that someone would not put on his / her best behavior in front of the camera and view of the public... mittens is a sham and an embarrassment - and while my over all opinion of Goons is VERY low - it has stooped to an all time low -

goons is not an influential alliance as ccp seems to think, big sure, influential? hell no - its a haven of adolescent pubes that wouldn't know good behavior if it jumped up and slapped em in the face - the fact that they rig the votes and then brag bout it proves it -

big surprise - Interesting Read

And to the dude above me, I had trouble understanding your rambling wall of text, but it seems you admit you're a new player that doesn't play EVE much. Your opinion does not matter here regardless of how much developing you do beyond your contribution as a single player (which isn't much).

Well here's me thinking ALL players opinions mattered New and Old. Guess I was wrong.

And it won't matter at all if you're an anonymous forum alt.

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