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Destiny Child
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Posted - 2008.08.29 10:03:00 -
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Cloak is frequently abused for idling AFK in systems to block miners and ratters from playing.
I think this was not the intention when implementing cloaks.
I suggest to add a small chance to actually PROBE a cloaked ship which gets higher over time as long as you are not switching systems. (sensors get calibrated on the small signal and can scan it easier over time :-)
After maybe 60 minutes of cloaking (also if there was a decloak/cloak between) the ship should be scanable like a ship in a complex.
I think this change would not nerf normal cloaking, but it would nerf abusing cloak to disturb whole systems in 0.0
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Verys on 29/08/2008 11:12:34
Funny that you call this an abuse and that is blocks miners and ratters from playing. As it does not. The only thing is your own paranoia of thinking that the cloaker is after you and is watching your every move. If you want to lure them out set up some bait and get a gang prepared. Or just rat/mine in a gang.
Cloaks are fine as they are as they do exactly what they are made for hide a ship.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Destiny Child
Cloak is frequently abused for idling AFK in systems to block miners and ratters from playing.
because these miners and ratters can't be bothered to bait, have gangs already set-up, maintain rapid response teams, or move to a system next door etc. etc.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:57:00 -
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Hmm. So cloaks stop someone from ratting and mining in .0 with next to zero risk eh?
So you're suggesting .0 should be risk free ratting and mining?
Interesting proposal Im sure this will go down well.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic
Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.29 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Child
Cloak is frequently abused for idling AFK in systems to block miners and ratters from playing.
I think this was not the intention when implementing cloaks.
I suggest to add a small chance to actually PROBE a cloaked ship which gets higher over time as long as you are not switching systems. (sensors get calibrated on the small signal and can scan it easier over time :-)
After maybe 60 minutes of cloaking (also if there was a decloak/cloak between) the ship should be scanable like a ship in a complex.
I think this change would not nerf normal cloaking, but it would nerf abusing cloak to disturb whole systems in 0.0
Nerf Suicide Ganking, Nerf Speed, Nerf Cloaks.
with each nerf, The whiners get bolder. Is nothing sacred to you? Oh Carebear? NOTHING?
Christ. Cloaks are perfectly balanced. GTFO my forum.
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TaatelinTallaaja
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2008.08.29 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Child
Cloak is frequently abused for idling AFK in systems to block miners and ratters from playing.
I think thats about all this thread deserves...
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Child
Cloak is frequently abused for idling AFK in systems to block miners and ratters from playing.
I think this was not the intention when implementing cloaks.
I suggest to add a small chance to actually PROBE a cloaked ship which gets higher over time as long as you are not switching systems. (sensors get calibrated on the small signal and can scan it easier over time :-)
After maybe 60 minutes of cloaking (also if there was a decloak/cloak between) the ship should be scanable like a ship in a complex.
I think this change would not nerf normal cloaking, but it would nerf abusing cloak to disturb whole systems in 0.0
You people disgust me. Stop being so cowardly. Its embarassing.
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Destiny Child
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:22:00 -
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Ok nice, at least we now know who some of the cloakers are ;)
Cloaks are intended as protection and not to disrupt gameplay, it's just used the wrong way.
Isn't it a bit too easy that you can cloak and be completely invulnerable ? You guys talk about "zero risk" nonsense but actually ignore that a cloaked ship out of warp-in points is really 100% invulnerable.
It makes it too easy and i heard several times that people lost fun in playing eve because they constantly have to deal with afk cloakers.
The nerf would not do any bad thing to eve.
If longtime cloaks could be scanned out some things would simply get more interesting.
At this time you can't do shit about an afk cloaked ALT in a system.
That's the same as those can switchers in highsec that abuse concord to grief miners, it does no good to eve.
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Child
Ok nice, at least we now know who some of the cloakers are ;)
Cloaks are intended as protection and not to disrupt gameplay, it's just used the wrong way.
Isn't it a bit too easy that you can cloak and be completely invulnerable ? You guys talk about "zero risk" nonsense but actually ignore that a cloaked ship out of warp-in points is really 100% invulnerable.
It makes it too easy and i heard several times that people lost fun in playing eve because they constantly have to deal with afk cloakers.
The nerf would not do any bad thing to eve.
If longtime cloaks could be scanned out some things would simply get more interesting.
At this time you can't do shit about an afk cloaked ALT in a system.
That's the same as those can switchers in highsec that abuse concord to grief miners, it does no good to eve.
Here's a hint. Normal, well adjusted people aren't deterred by a single war target in the system. Reach deep down inside and find your spine.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.08.29 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Koyama Ise on 29/08/2008 22:28:59
Well I've never mined in a 0.0 system with an afk clo-- ohh wai I think we did until he wasn't so afk... But ratting definitely done it before, just rat in a system with other people, get in a gang of ratters, have some decent intel and make sure youÆre ship is insured and youÆre good to go. The only time I have a problem with afk cloakers is when the stick an alt in and leave it there, they want to stick there one and only main in sure go for it.
Fun story, we almost got that guy that invaded our mining op, warped a few recons in... unfortunately he was an arazu so I think, I may be wrong cause it was a while back, he damped the point down enough and ran away as the other recons weren't in position or we were only using one.
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Originally by: Damned Force
Something like: Nanoships need a nerf but only the 10km/s+ ships. Nano HACs to slowboating Battleships wil be ****ed by this nerf.
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Nahkep Narmelion
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Posted - 2008.08.29 23:20:00 -
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Short version: I don't like something, so nerf it.
Christ on a pogo stick.
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Captator
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.08.29 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Child
Ok nice, at least we now know who some of the cloakers are ;)
Cloaks are intended as protection and not to disrupt gameplay, it's just used the wrong way.
Isn't it a bit too easy that you can cloak and be completely invulnerable ? You guys talk about "zero risk" nonsense but actually ignore that a cloaked ship out of warp-in points is really 100% invulnerable.
It makes it too easy and i heard several times that people lost fun in playing eve because they constantly have to deal with afk cloakers.
The nerf would not do any bad thing to eve.
If longtime cloaks could be scanned out some things would simply get more interesting.
At this time you can't do shit about an afk cloaked ALT in a system.
That's the same as those can switchers in highsec that abuse concord to grief miners, it does no good to eve.
Fail, if they are cloaked they cannot hurt you, learn to run a defence network, learn to work with the fact that 0.0/lowsec particularly means constant danger, constant vigilance (okay I exaggerate a little, but still...)
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.08.30 01:02:00 -
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Also if they are AFK they can't hurt you.
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
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Immersive
Immersive Technology Solutions
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Posted - 2008.08.30 04:49:00 -
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Minimise local, problem solved
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z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.08.30 05:20:00 -
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If someone is afk how can they effect you?
If its because they might do something, how can they be afk?
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.30 05:28:00 -
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And they call us carebears
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.08.30 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Beltantis Torrence
Here's a hint. Normal, well adjusted people aren't deterred by a single war target in the system. Reach deep down inside and find your spine.
Here's a hint, real players can hunt without a cloak. Grow a spine. All these people crying because they are afraid they might have to do a little work to stay safe in hostile space.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2008.08.30 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 30/08/2008 08:17:26
Originally by: Captator
Fail, if they are cloaked they cannot hurt you, learn to run a defence network, learn to work with the fact that 0.0/lowsec particularly means constant danger, constant vigilance (okay I exaggerate a little, but still...)
Constant danger constant vigilance..... Unless you equip a cloak. Then you don't need a gang, or a defence network. You can watch tv, read a book, pick your nose, ignore local, all with no worries. And hey, if an easy target shows up, score, free kill board padding.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Torothanax
pick your nose
see this is where you're going wrong with cloaking.
Anyway, give cloaks a timer or other asshat limitation and they sure as hell should give docking and POS shield limitations too.
cloak's can only be used for 5 minutes = you can only dock for 5 minutes, you can only stay in POS shields for 5 minutes.
Better yet it takes 5 minutes to enter the POS shield or dock. That I would love.
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Phoenix493
Orion Expeditions
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Posted - 2008.08.30 21:59:00 -
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Cloaking is fine. It takes training to get it, and Recons etc Would be useless without it (Some are still useless with it lol but we won't mention the pilgrim..oh wait)
If people are that worried about cloakers, they would probe them down when they enter a system, and watch them.
A carebear option, would be to create a Probe that could decloak anyone within 0.5au of it, and is effective for 2 minutes or something. So you have to minutes to Rat / Mine before having to launch another if you are worried about them getting you. How's that?
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TaatelinTallaaja
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2008.08.30 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: TaatelinTallaaja on 30/08/2008 22:26:14
Originally by: Phoenix493
A carebear option, would be to create a Probe that could decloak anyone within 0.5au of it, and is effective for 2 minutes or something. So you have to minutes to Rat / Mine before having to launch another if you are worried about them getting you. How's that?
Right you are...
This 'probe' would most definately kill all attempts to sneak on anyone and would render recon ships completely useless (put one probe at a gate and no cloaker gets through).
...definately a carebear option
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2008.08.30 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Torothanax
pick your nose
see this is where you're going wrong with cloaking.
Anyway, give cloaks a timer or other asshat limitation and they sure as hell should give docking and POS shield limitations too.
cloak's can only be used for 5 minutes = you can only dock for 5 minutes, you can only stay in POS shields for 5 minutes.
Better yet it takes 5 minutes to enter the POS shield or dock. That I would love.
I'm all for nerfing station hide and seek. I'd be more then happy if you couldn't dock when flagged.
Ducking in and out of pos shields is almost as bad, but at least you can take the pos out. Get a Dread or two on site. If you can't cover your dreads while they do thier work, then you don't deserve to kill whoever or whatever is parked inside.
It's not that I want cloaks taken completely out of the game. I just don't think any player should be able to "dock up" anywhere in space they happen to be.
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