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Yassarin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:26:00 - [1] Ok, so first things first - this is not a rant about Jita being laggy or a suggestion on fixing it, this is a simple question... Why is Jita such a busy place? Why is trading so high there? _____________________ I'm not afraid to die My soul will carry on You can't kill me I'm Imortal
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:35:00 - [2] Lowest prices. Central Empire location. /thread
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:36:00 - [3] It's close to the biggest concentration of players (most caldari, many running missions for the Caldari Navy), it's close to many other regions for trade, it has plenty of stations. And once a place like that gets started and 'known' to be a trade hub things begin to spiral, people go there to get cheap ships because it's where you go to get cheap ships. People go to sell things there because it's where you go to move product. And even if you tried selling your items somewhere else close by, some people will pay more to buy everything in the one location. It's like a black hole thats mass is increasing because it's pulling things in, becoming ever more effective at pulling things in ;) Note, it won't always be the cheapest place to buy things, but if you pick an entire ship fitout from one location it will almost always be the cheapest. But seriously, avoid on weekends it's hell.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:37:00 - [4] it is equidistand from all the other empires
Nikita Alterana Gallente The-Kissaki	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:39:00 - [5] your all wrong. The reason Jita is so busy is because it is on the North-south pipeline that splits empire space. there is no way to go from Amarr space to the rest of empire and by proxy, from the north to the south, without going down that pipe. __________________________________________________
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:44:00 - [6] There's lots of people there? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Opertone Caldari SIEGE. The Border Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:50:00 - [7] Edited by: Opertone on 29/08/2008 21:50:21 everyone has an alt in Jita to manipulate orders every other person sits in Jita to shout the public contracts 20% of Jita residents are scammers, who like to miss post in local 300 people really should not be there... they can manipulate orders out of New Caldari
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:59:00 - [8] On the most basic level, players are the primary reason why there are so many people in Jita. Players have chosen that place to shop from. The old trade hub was Yulai. It is what it is, because at it's very heart, EvE is still player-driven. Players could have easily chosen Amarr, or any other place for these kinds of trades. Quote: If you like playing EvE, but don't like to PvP ... Maybe it's time you recognize that you don't really like to play EvE.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:02:00 - [9] because jita is a secret plot by the jovians to collapse a server node via lag.
sneakybustard	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:03:00 - [10] not even lowest prices...
Tony Kael Caldari DarkSide Industries The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:12:00 - [11] agents do seem to send a fair few missions to Jita as well. so you're looking (at full capacity) nearly 700 players in Jita. As mentioned before, around 200 of those probably don't need to be there. And on top of that you have nearly 100 players who've been sent there by agents for missions. I've personally turned down 4 Jita missions in a row. They could probably cut a fair bit of lag by stopping agents sending missions to Jita. I'd suggest removing agents from Jita stations as well, but i'm not sure if thats really practical. ____________________________________ THE BLACK ALLIANCE
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:13:00 - [12] Originally by: sneakybustard not even lowest prices... It is by and large. The hubs from other Empire's space usually have certain items that they beat Jita on for price, but they aren't as convenient to get to if you aren't already in that region.
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:31:00 - [13] East Commons tunnel ring a bell....? According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:02:00 - [14] jita is a reason why caps need 2 be allowed in hi sec, and concord nerfed. cut down the population
Zeerover Caldari DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Nikita Alterana your all wrong. The reason Jita is so busy is because it is on the North-south pipeline that splits empire space. there is no way to go from Amarr space to the rest of empire and by proxy, from the north to the south, without going down that pipe. Dunno about you but I get to Rens from Amarr quite fine without having to cross Caldari space - or low-sec for that matter...
Eltanin Draconis	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:24:00 - [16] LetÆs say you need to buy some stuff. You probably want to get it all in one place so you go to the station with the most stuff for sale. And letÆs say you need to sell some stuff. You probably want to sell it in the place with the most customers. Stuff starts selling a little better in one station, for whatever reason, and the sellers take note. They all start selling in that station. The buyers realize they can get everything in one place and bookmark the station. Soon the buyers just fly to that station before even checking the market every time they need something. Sellers realize that thereÆs not a lot of point in selling outside of that station and stop putting up orders in other places. Once the cycle starts it tends to reinforce itself until a major hub forms. This time it just happened to be at a station in Jita but it could have been somewhere else.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:31:00 - [17] Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 30/08/2008 07:33:01 Once upon a time the stargate system was aligned differently so that the quickest way to get from any of the major 4 empires to another of the major 4 empires went thru one system... Yulai... This created a marketplace early on in eve and everyone went there because it was the center of the stargate superhighway.... Well, all this traffic was very hard on the server clusters, as you not only had the shoppers and sellers going in and out of yulai, but also anyone that just wanted to get from one region to another also was flooding through that system. So CCP decided they would change the stargate system to bypass Yulai and hopefully reduce the lag for weary travellers... At this time many very wealthy folks decided to move their merchant operations to JITA and build a market there that would rival the old Yulai market... Suffice it to say they succeeded and grandly so. Just imagine if you had to fly thru Jita every time you wanted to go from one Empire to another... shudders So, the short answer to your question is "Because some players decided to make it that way." -- No love for the Matari
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Nikita Alterana your all wrong. The reason Jita is so busy is because it is on the North-south pipeline that splits empire space. there is no way to go from Amarr space to the rest of empire and by proxy, from the north to the south, without going down that pipe. personally I believe Jita is so full because they want to create so much lag, that they can jump on the forums to whine about it... Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
tyroney Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:34:00 - [19] Because there's basically no limit on hangar space or market space. (where things go when you put them up for sale.)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:36:00 - [20] It helps that there are several factory & lab stations there, too, especially for people who need to move around vast quantities of minerals for their production jobs. Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri 20:1 low-end compression
Rodsy Federation of Xenotech Xenotech Celestial Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:45:00 - [21] Jita also has a short, easy to remember and easy to pronounce name! Other hubs have that too, Rens, Amarr... and Oursulaert or how ever you spell that.
CaptainMiller Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:48:00 - [22] It all started because Caldari, by percentage, makes up the largest played race in the game. Jita, a Caldari system with Caldari mission agents, used to have alot of Level 4 Qty 20 agents. So naturally it became the largest mission hub in the game. With eve's players being incredibly intelligent, traders saw where the largest collection of players in the game was and moved their goods there to sell. The rest is history with ISK farming missionrunners/ice miners, scammers and everyother fella looking to make some ISK moving in. Later CCP removed all agents from system and took out ice belts from Jita to ease the lag in system but all trading remained there. So you are where we are today.
Thirzarr	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Eltanin Draconis The buyers realize they can get everything in one place and bookmark the station. Soon the buyers just fly to that station before even checking the market every time they need something. Hehe, how true. But I do check the market and still go i.e. Isanamo - Moon XXI for all my cheap cruiser "i want to pew pew" needs. :) it's kind of a ritual to me by now. xD Also Nourvukaiken is getting quite nice to shop. And since the OMG-FW-Hype ceased the lagattacks are getting less, too.
Necrosmith Gallente DEADLY RENEGADE ELITE ASSASSIN MERC SQUAD Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.30 10:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Kaaii East Commons tunnel ring a bell....? I do miss it so. ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both." Laugh until you cry: Battle Asses
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:04:00 - [25] Jita? What is that?
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:06:00 - [26] Jita is so busy because people think it's cheap and the producers get good prices. The easiest way to fix it would be a global market view (like eve-central.com, but ingame).
Eve Goetterdaemmerung	Posted - 2008.08.30 12:20:00 - [27] Jita is so busy, because the game trade mechanics enforce the building of trade hubs! 1. The more players are regularily in a system, the more interesting it gets for traders. 2. The more traders are there, the more competition and offers are there, which makes is more interesting for customers. So we have again more players attracted to Jita, back to 1. For that simple reason the situation will never improve without changing the rules that enforce this attraction to one trade hub! Solution could be some kind of virtual wallstreet, so that traders can trade without beeing at a specific place (and I mean also over region borders!). This would also require some kind of automated transportation between the traders for no cost, otherwise they will still meet in one trade hub. And for customers the solution would be to offer a home-delivery-service, so that they can stay where they are and buy what they need. But it will only work if it does not cost a single cent, otherwise customers will still go there to spare a few cents... CCP is discussing some home-delivery-service for quite some time now, but I fear that if they ever implement it, it will cost ISK. That may be logic/fair in game terms, but it will corrupt the purpose. All other proposals I have seen so far fight only the symptom, not the root cause! Regards, Eve G. (<-- inhabitant of Jita, that has NEVER left Jita 4-4 since born 1 year ago)
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.08.30 15:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Lowest prices. Central Empire location. /thread i think hes asking...why did it get that way to begin with..so sorry, please rescind your /thread. _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.30 15:43:00 - [29] Edited by: DubanFP on 30/08/2008 15:43:03 bump past the crap _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.30 15:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Yassarin Ok, so first things first - this is not a rant about Jita being laggy or a suggestion on fixing it, this is a simple question... Why is Jita such a busy place? Why is trading so high there? THE SHOW **** MOVIES ON THE GATE MONITORS! .
Eve Goetterdaemmerung	Posted - 2008.08.30 15:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Seeing EyeDog Originally by: Dirk Magnum Lowest prices. Central Empire location. /thread i think hes asking...why did it get that way to begin with..so sorry, please rescind your /thread. Yes, and exactly answered that: Jita is what it is today because the inherent game logic enforces this. That the trading hub is Jita and not Perimeter or whatever is actually random noise (or maybe random plus some advantages like beeing connected to several regions). Eve G.
Yassarin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.30 18:23:00 - [32] Hmmm, I like the idea of removing all agent missions, that would at least allow the people who just want to play the non trading/scamming game to get on with it. _____________________ I'm not afraid to die My soul will carry on You can't kill me I'm Imortal
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.30 18:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Eve Goetterdaemmerung Solution could be some kind of virtual wallstreet, so that traders can trade without beeing at a specific place (and I mean also over region borders!). This would also require some kind of automated transportation between the traders for no cost, otherwise they will still meet in one trade hub. And for customers the solution would be to offer a home-delivery-service, so that they can stay where they are and buy what they need. But it will only work if it does not cost a single cent, otherwise customers will still go there to spare a few cents... CCP is discussing some home-delivery-service for quite some time now, but I fear that if they ever implement it, it will cost ISK. That may be logic/fair in game terms, but it will corrupt the purpose. All other proposals I have seen so far fight only the symptom, not the root cause! Regards, Eve G. (<-- inhabitant of Jita, that has NEVER left Jita 4-4 since born 1 year ago) I disagree with your 'solutions'. For one, there is already a 'deliver at home' trade service. Players can have items transported and delivered to them, just by using contracts and other players. I'm being completely serious, by the way, not sarcastic or insulting. If you add a 'deliver at home' service, you will severely hamper a profession that is already feeling a lot of pain, that of the industry-driving hauler. And yes, players DO 'haul' as a profession. I would agree to have an option, when you purchase something remotely, to allow a popup that asks if you would like to contract to have that delivered to you. Something automatic (optional to turn off, of course), to show new players that yes, you CAN have something delivered to you from some distant market. The second issue of trading: personally, I wouldn't mind if there was a skill to allow a player to 'trade' across regional borders. These skills would be advanced and in addition to the current trade profession. To buy across a regions boarders, a player would need to train the skill that allows one to buy throughout their region to V, and then train the skill that allows players to buy across in a neighboring region. Same for sales. Basically, it wouldn't be a overpowered solution that nullifies current skills, but adds on. Someone who does trades across multiple regions would be a dedicated trade character. And while you could buy something in, say, Domain, you could only sell it in Domain. To buy it in one area and sell it in another, you would still need to have it transported somehow, either by yourself, or through a dedicated hauler. Quote: If you like playing EvE, but don't like to PvP ... Maybe it's time you recognize that you don't really like to play EvE.
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.30 19:08:00 - [34] Gallente - Ours / Dodix Amarr = Amarr Minni = rens Cal = Jita no EVE related content in signature. ~Weatherman
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.30 19:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK Gallente - Ours / Dodix Amarr = Amarr Minni = rens Cal = Jita I use Amarr alot. Peaceful, rarely very busy, good peeps in system. Only a few jumps from home. But I'd rather go to Rens than Jita. Quote: If you like playing EvE, but don't like to PvP ... Maybe it's time you recognize that you don't really like to play EvE.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.30 20:35:00 - [36] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 30/08/2008 20:38:20 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 30/08/2008 20:36:58 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 30/08/2008 20:35:38 When I want to buy something, anything, ranging from a T1 frig to a faction BS, I can get it in Jita. I went there only once, however, because I needed a slave set and various implants for my head. For other things, I just get people I know to go to Jita and buy me stuff. There are other market hubs which are decent, but Jita is close (to me), has everything, etc. Reasonable prices, too. It's the real center of EvE trade, which is why it's crowded and laggy as a consequence. There is nothing wrong with lag in huge commerce centers. Things like 'delivery at home' is idiotic. There must be a way to interdict the people bringing stuff from place X to place Y. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Tiodus Gallente City of Certitude Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary	Posted - 2008.08.30 21:15:00 - [37] Posting in a Jita thread Didn't read one word tbqfh Now I can go to bed -------------------- /O\ Can't pvp /O\ --------------------
Evanade Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.30 21:33:00 - [38] lots of people attract even more people --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored
Admiral Love legend of retribution	Posted - 2008.08.30 21:42:00 - [39] Well all said its just got worse... Im stuck in jita trying to get through .. not even wating to stop by. Iv not known a game to be brought to such a halt!!! I mean im litterly stuck for over 20minuts just trying to gate my way past. I mean I know it gets laggy but this is tenfold the norm and I hate to rant over it but its time and money wasted if U ask me. sorry thats my rant over :) fly safe if u can . .. . . . . .
Trebor Locke Gallente Round Table Enterprises Leather Rose Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.30 21:57:00 - [40] As in Real Life, trade hubs are created by the amount of Roads crossing it and the traffic on those roads. Jita has an abnormal amount of roads leading into it compared to other systems. This makes it easier to get to from more places. Add in the fact that Caldari space is the most populated area of space in the EVE Universe and you've got a Trade-Mecha. For those of you who wish for an analogy, Chicago was created under near identical circumstances with several highways crossing and as a site of portage for the great lakes. It is the financial capital of the American Mid-west as a result. -------------- CEO of Round Table Enterprises Chairman of the Leather Rose Syndicate Your friendly economic management and trade orginization.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.30 22:28:00 - [41] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 30/08/2008 22:30:34 Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK Gallente - Ours / Dodix Amarr = Amarr Minni = rens Cal = Jita \0/ yay, the gallente has TWO trade hubs take that rebellios caldari scum oursulaert and dodixe are also like war zones, rarely do i undock and NOT see someone blasting someone else for smackign in local or something although i have also heard a joke two fully loaded itty mk5's leave a system, one has to pass through jita, the other has to pass through Rancer, which one survives longer? lol not the funniest joke, but still kinda funny Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"

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