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masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:05:00 - [1] Edited by: masternerdguy on 29/08/2008 23:24:41 Edited by: masternerdguy on 29/08/2008 23:15:21 Ok many ships exist that are dedicated damage dealers, but no dedicated tankers. Why? Tanking ships would be so useful all across the board. Here are the specs for the "Cowbird" a dedicated tanking version of the drake. 1. 16k base shields 2. 50% all round shield resists 3. 8 mid and low slots 4. 4 hi slots with a 20% increase to fire rate (bad thing) 5. 50% more capacitor if you want to active tank 6. 25% slower 7. 50% faster base shield recharge time. special ability: fit a module that makes you look like a normal drake for 1 minute
Zeerover Caldari DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:08:00 - [2] Erhm, unless you didn't notice, but most of the fighting in this game is PvP, so nobody would engage such a vessel. Now for missions only...then you need another account and if you're flying with two accounts already you're better off with 2xRaven(or CNR/Golem) with remote shield reppers, good tanks and good gank. Short version: Go back to WoW?
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Zeerover Erhm, unless you didn't notice, but most of the fighting in this game is PvP, so nobody would engage such a vessel. Now for missions only...then you need another account and if you're flying with two accounts already you're better off with 2xRaven(or CNR/Golem) with remote shield reppers, good tanks and good gank. Short version: Go back to WoW? if these were the only guys in ur fleet.....
The Herrick Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:09:00 - [4] There's a reason people don't shoot supertank fit drakes till last. It's because they do nothing but add lag as they have laughable damage and are slow ect. So why would a gang waste ammo on a ship that's even more useless/even bigger ammo sink? People will either avoid it since it's obvious bait, or people will ignore it for the more dangerous ships. Mission runners will also ignore it in favor of a ship that can clear the mission faster. Originally by: Blane Xero Screw your stuff, can I have your wife?
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:10:00 - [5] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2008 23:13:02 Originally by: masternerdguy if these were the only guys in ur fleet..... Then a group of players will show up call primaries to do untankable DPS as your gang only has 10 highslots between them. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:11:00 - [6] it can fit a new "signature mapping" module that makes it look to the optical and all other sensors of a ship like a normal drake
Nose Snot	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:12:00 - [7] The only way a dedicated tank ship would work is if it was a MAJOR factor in a fleet. Oh wait, those would be command ships. I think those are already in game. Unless you can find another major role for dedicated tanked ships... it probably won't happen.
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:12:00 - [8] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2008 23:10:38 Originally by: masternerdguy if these were the only guys in ur fleet..... Then a group of players will show up and call primaries and vaprozie you with untankable DPS as your gang only has 10 highslots between them. QFT, gonna be doing lower than falcon level dps with that - maxed out gank falcon does something like 200 dps
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Nose Snot The only way a dedicated tank ship would work is if it was a MAJOR factor in a fleet. Oh wait, those would be command ships. I think those are already in game. Unless you can find another major role for dedicated tanked ships... it probably won't happen. bait, lo sec mining
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:13:00 - [10] Lets see. Attack the Navy Mega, that's useing T2 Heavies that's got you webbed/scrammed, or attack the super tanked "can survive 15 DD's" SUPERTANK that does less damage then a HIC. Hmm. Let me think.. Hmm. Maybe... just MAYBE... We'll attack the ship that does the most damage and would most likely have the least tank.. Wait.. Lets think it over again.. Damage.. Supertank.. Damage... Supertank.. Yup. Still going to attack the Navy Mega. Leave the Supertank till the damage is gone. THEN kill it. Sorry, but this isn't most games. You don't have a "taunt" ability like in City Of Hero's. You can't cause the hostile PVPers to ONLY target and fire on the tank. may work with Missions, but then, you just need to agro the npc's first.
MidnightMatriarch	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:14:00 - [11] Originally by: masternerdguy it can fit a new "signature mapping" module that makes it look to the optical and all other sensors of a ship like a normal drake Thats ******ed... as is the original idea. There is nothing good about either of these ideas...
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Cors Lets see. Attack the Navy Mega, that's useing T2 Heavies that's got you webbed/scrammed, or attack the super tanked "can survive 15 DD's" SUPERTANK that does less damage then a HIC. Hmm. Let me think.. Hmm. Maybe... just MAYBE... We'll attack the ship that does the most damage and would most likely have the least tank.. Wait.. Lets think it over again.. Damage.. Supertank.. Damage... Supertank.. Yup. Still going to attack the Navy Mega. Leave the Supertank till the damage is gone. THEN kill it. Sorry, but this isn't most games. You don't have a "taunt" ability like in City Of Hero's. You can't cause the hostile PVPers to ONLY target and fire on the tank. may work with Missions, but then, you just need to agro the npc's first. ok
Nose Snot	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Nose Snot on 29/08/2008 23:16:50 I actually think a big tanked ship is a good idea... perhaps with a super canon of a gun. ONE high slot... ONE gun, with poor rate of fire, but it does some killer damage on battleships and above. Have it hit for 2500+ with a ROF of near 60 secs. EDIT: make it so it can't even lock anything smaller than a BS.
Farrqua Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:18:00 - [14] OP: They are called "Bait" ships. And they are already in game. Its how you fit it. You don't need a special ship class for that. Unless of course you are trying to avoid a fight and minimize risk. Because its pretty obvious a ship like that would be a floating toothless brick.
Ringo Jeicha Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:18:00 - [15] Like a doomsday device? --- Braaaiiinnnsssssssssss
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:19:00 - [16] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2008 23:20:29 Originally by: Nose Snot I actually think a big tanked ship is a good idea... perhaps with a super canon of a gun. ONE high slot... ONE gun, with poor rate of fire, but it does some killer damage on battleships and above. Have it hit for 2500+ with a ROF of near 60 secs. EDIT: make it so it can't even lock anything smaller than a BS. 42 DPS, alpha doesn't really matter as it can't hit anything worth alpha-striking anyways. Can't be easily destroyed by battleships... Exactly what's the point in flying one of these over an interceptor? edit: Decided to be generous and round the DPS up to 42 from 41. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:20:00 - [17] i buffed the dps
Nose Snot	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Like a doomsday device? wtf? it wouldn't be anything near a DD. Have you even seen a Titan?
Ringo Jeicha Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Nose Snot Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Like a doomsday device? wtf? it wouldn't be anything near a DD. Have you even seen a Titan? Its in my pants...yeah, what, dont look at me like that! --- Braaaiiinnnsssssssssss
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:22:00 - [20] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2008 23:22:24 Originally by: masternerdguy i buffed the dps Then it'll be an invincible killing machine unless you gank it. Last thing we need is to promote large gangs. Sorry, but I think the idea is that it's a flawed concept from the start.. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Nose Snot	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:25:00 - [21] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2008 23:20:29 Originally by: Nose Snot I actually think a big tanked ship is a good idea... perhaps with a super canon of a gun. ONE high slot... ONE gun, with poor rate of fire, but it does some killer damage on battleships and above. Have it hit for 2500+ with a ROF of near 60 secs. EDIT: make it so it can't even lock anything smaller than a BS. 42 DPS, alpha doesn't really matter as it can't hit anything worth alpha-striking anyways. Can't be easily destroyed by battleships... Exactly what's the point in flying one of these over an interceptor? edit: Decided to be generous and round the DPS up to 42 from 41. just an idea... going with the flow. Alpha can be extremely useful. 41 dps is shit... but the alpha would ROCK. And 3 or 4 of these ships, you'd sure think twice about attacking that fleet in your bs. 3 or 4 ceptors wouldn't bring the same fight.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:25:00 - [22] ok i nerfed the dps
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:28:00 - [23] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2008 23:31:56 Originally by: Nose Snot just an idea... going with the flow. Alpha can be extremely useful. 41 dps is shit... but the alpha would ROCK. And 3 or 4 of these ships, you'd sure think twice about attacking that fleet in your bs. 3 or 4 ceptors wouldn't bring the same fight. If i'm outnumbered 3-4 decent pilots to my battleship I'd be screwed no matter what they fit. Now if we have equal numbers then we lose 1 ship but then have 60 seconds to vaporize most of them. If you really want alpha grab a tempest. Well fit and skilled they can get a good 5000+ point alphas every 10 seconds. I'm just saying strange ideas like this are physically impossible to balance. If they're good at what they do then they'll be overpowered. If they aren't really good at what they do they'll be useless. There is no middle ground. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Nose Snot	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:30:00 - [24] Originally by: masternerdguy ok i nerfed the dps you have a good idea... work on it tho. I'd give all 4 races of these ships, 1 slot in low, mid, and high... have the basic settings of the ship be its tank... and not require it to be fitted as a tank. cost: 250mil
Nose Snot	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:33:00 - [25] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2008 23:29:30 Originally by: Nose Snot just an idea... going with the flow. Alpha can be extremely useful. 41 dps is shit... but the alpha would ROCK. And 3 or 4 of these ships, you'd sure think twice about attacking that fleet in your bs. 3 or 4 ceptors wouldn't bring the same fight. If i'm outnumbered 3-4 decent pilots to my battleship I'd be screwed no matter what they fit. Now if we have equal numbers then we lose 1 ship but then have 60 seconds to vaporize most of them. If you really want alpha grab a tempest. Well fit and skilled they can get a good 5000+ point alphas every 10 seconds. I'm talking fleet vs fleet... 4 high alpha strikers/tanks would be by far be more useful than 4 ceptors. Tempests are good, but I'm talking about adding a new dimension to the alpha strike.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:37:00 - [26] well i think you all should submit ur ideas too, im not good with non caldari ships
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.30 01:27:00 - [27] K. Nobody would primary your kind of ship. ----
Armoured C Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.08.30 01:33:00 - [28] lol command ships have the tank, my eos can tank a apoc fitted for gank and raven fitted for gank plus in fleet fight these are always left to last i would to if i could rep 1000 HP every 5 seconds and the damminations get HP bonus to a well constructed ships you getting my drift here
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.30 01:36:00 - [29] We all know what happens when dedicated tanking ships break...
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.30 02:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Hieronimus Rex We all know what happens when dedicated tanking ships break... ......... no lemme correct ur picture see? no breaking :)

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