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Watcherof Theskies	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:21:00 - [1] Do not listen to these jerks if you find yourself cornered by jerk-off players wanting to extort money from you and then you will be on your way...DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM !! Take your ship loss and start over..There is no code for these jerk-off pirates,save that money you were going to give him and Hire someone to take revenge or put it on his head.. yeah If there are a code for pirate extortion..Well you Pirates might want to have a chat with Bl00dy Phoenix..He makes your shady business look like slime..I agree it's part of the game and a valid tactic,But down right being a sleeze and not keeping your word..Thats un called for..
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors.	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:27:00 - [2] I would have you know, that HTC does honor ransoms. We pride ourselves in that regard as one of the few pirate corporations remaining who do, in fact, honor ransoms and 1v1's. Please don't class us with them. Speaking of which --- what corporation/member did not keep their word? I would like to set them to -10 just because I hate the dishonorable pirates roaming low-sec now-a-days and have no issue popping them if I see them. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO)
Watcherof Theskies	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:38:00 - [3] Name: Bl00dy Phoenix Corp..PROFTECH Sorry don't have the chat logs..But this guy already has 10 mill on his head..I'm sure I was not the first.. Well sorry I will never trust a pirate for his word again and will fight to the death and die with my dignity at least..I had respect for that part of the game..Not anymore..
forum mematar	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:40:00 - [4] It's not a good idea to put bounty on people really. Also I have never dishonored a ransom/1v1 myself although I have had a few 1v1's dishonored against me :/ (Coming out of top regardless is funny though ;p) --- http://stige.pingtimeout.net/evevids/
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Watcherof Theskies Name: Bl00dy Phoenix Corp..PROFTECH Sorry don't have the chat logs..But this guy already has 10 mill on his head..I'm sure I was not the first.. Well sorry I will never trust a pirate for his word again and will fight to the death and die with my dignity at least..I had respect for that part of the game..Not anymore.. I once had a Minmatar agree to a 1v1 and then bring in a friend. That's why I hate all Minmatar.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:55:00 - [6] Fly Rancer Airlines next time, we at the united are quite happy to allow paying customers one free trip. There is still "honor amongst thieves", but there are a few bad ones that get all this negative attention... pay and fly safe.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:12:00 - [7] Screw honor and all that pointless stuff, honoring ransoms is just good business. Any decent pirate corp will honor a ransom because their ability to get future ransoms depends on not getting a reputation for breaking them.
Dendo Ordoss Pernicious Creed	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Screw honor and all that pointless stuff, honoring ransoms is just good business. Any decent pirate corp will honor a ransom because their ability to get future ransoms depends on not getting a reputation for breaking them. ^^ this. If anyone in my corp ever breaks a ransom i will kick them out faster then they can say wtf!!!
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Dendo Ordoss Originally by: Merin Ryskin Screw honor and all that pointless stuff, honoring ransoms is just good business. Any decent pirate corp will honor a ransom because their ability to get future ransoms depends on not getting a reputation for breaking them. ^^ this. If anyone in my corp ever breaks a ransom i will kick them out faster then they can say wtf!!! I know this, you know this, most pirates should know this... but we can at least pretend that we are doing it for honorz. I know for a fact that if a ship gets blown up after paying a ransom, the person responsible has to pay back the ransom ISK from their own wallet, plus a little extra for the screw up (I couldn't stop the torps already in flight when the guy made the offer, oops ). And if it wasn't an honest accident, I'm sure they'd find themselves reactivating another clone REAL quick.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:35:00 - [10] pirate "code" is just a guideline. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Scagga Laebetrovo Evil Bastards	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Grimpak pirate "code" is just a guideline. True. Also, I've never seen a 'pirate code' that included anything about honouring ransoms. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:27:00 - [12] Not that this has anything to do with the OP:s situation but when we are discussing ransoms i like to point out that there are situations were ransoming just isnt an option esp. in amamake. I warp in to a belt to engage i have tops a minute before a third party jumps in no time to ransom just shoot the pod, scoop the loot and warp to SS in time to the see a Huginn warp in.
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:05:00 - [13] There are lots of pirate corps who honor the unwritten pirate code. Snuff will always honor ransoms and 1v1's.
KeLLaX HUNLAR the Almighty Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:17:00 - [14] why would anyone believe what a pirate says? that's just plain stupid :) +this is just a game and ppl need to grow up, I mean come on, the age average of this game is like 25-26... ppl should be smart enough to consider the worst case and learn not to believe everything they say... I personally prefer losing a 2b ship rather than paying 200m ransom for it... at least I feel better about my self, in the end of the day it's just a game... but oh well, its just my 2 cents...
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:53:00 - [15] Originally by: KeLLaX why would anyone believe what a pirate says? that's just plain stupid :) +this is just a game and ppl need to grow up, I mean come on, the age average of this game is like 25-26... ppl should be smart enough to consider the worst case and learn not to believe everything they say... I personally prefer losing a 2b ship rather than paying 200m ransom for it... at least I feel better about my self, in the end of the day it's just a game... but oh well, its just my 2 cents... Not paying 200 mill for a 2 bill ship is plain stupid.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.08.30 12:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Screw honor and all that pointless stuff, honoring ransoms is just good business. Any decent pirate corp will honor a ransom because their ability to get future ransoms depends on not getting a reputation for breaking them. this, ransom's are best honour'd its good bussiess. Of course your not always forced to offer a ransom as a pirate. Neotheo Dark Materials Linkage
flakeys Omerta Squadron Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.30 12:14:00 - [17] Originally by: KeLLaX why would anyone believe what a pirate says? that's just plain stupid :) +this is just a game and ppl need to grow up, I mean come on, the age average of this game is like 25-26... ppl should be smart enough to consider the worst case and learn not to believe everything they say... I personally prefer losing a 2b ship rather than paying 200m ransom for it... at least I feel better about my self, in the end of the day it's just a game... but oh well, its just my 2 cents... Same here. Allthough i honour ransoms ALLWAYS i never paid any in the past to anyone and i probably never will.Most of the times i hate it btw when people yell in local : i'll pay i'll pay.I go into chat then and make a deal , but in the end i usually think : damn i shouldv just blown him up would be more fun.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.30 12:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Watcherof Theskies Do not listen to these jerks if you find yourself cornered by jerk-off players wanting to extort money from you and then you will be on your way...DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM !! Take your ship loss and start over..There is no code for these jerk-off pirates,save that money you were going to give him and Hire someone to take revenge or put it on his head.. yeah If there are a code for pirate extortion..Well you Pirates might want to have a chat with Bl00dy Phoenix..He makes your shady business look like slime..I agree it's part of the game and a valid tactic,But down right being a sleeze and not keeping your word..Thats un called for.. Is there a "carebear code" of some kind that compels you to post these things?
Golden Helmet Caldari The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.30 13:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Solomon XI I would have you know, that HTC does honor ransoms. We pride ourselves in that regard as one of the few pirate corporations remaining who do, in fact, honor ransoms and 1v1's. Please don't class us with them. Same here. We do ransoms every other day (when convenient or we're bored, like when we made a Cormorant eject) and each of them gets honored to the letter. If I caught wind of one of my guys breaking a ransom, they'd be booted out so fast their ass won't stop throbbing for a month. Its too bad most of the attention goes to the bad pirates. Us good ones need moar love The Python Cartel is recruiting low sec pirates!
Feilamya Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.30 14:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Watcherof Theskies stuff 1. post with main 2. name&shame or stfu
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.30 15:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Helicity Boson on 30/08/2008 15:29:09 ...They're more like guidelines anyways. [;)] (with the exception of ransoms, cos that's bad for busines yanno?) img]http://sigs.griefwatch.net/index.php?kb=PYTHON&name=Helicity+Boson&template=red[/img]
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.30 16:12:00 - [22] yes, most TRUE pirates do honor ransoms, its just a few who make the pirate name a bad one as you can see by my sec status, i am not a pirate, but pretty much every time i have been pirated they honored their ransoms hell, your lucky if they ransom your ship and not your pod tbh, many pirates kill the ship then ransom the pod, so you lose all your modules on your ship, and your flying through space in a pod so instead of coming here and bashing the entire pirate profession, come to the forums, i konw it sounds stupid, but come to the forums, and name and shame them, you might get a refund (ive seen it happen a couple times) because tbh, if a pirate dishonors a ransom a few things happen firstly, people come to the forums, read about who dishonors ransoms, tells their friends, so their friends dont pay ransoms, then that pirate corp starts losing quite a bit of money then they contact the guy who is talking bad about their name and make an agreement, they repay the ransom, and the topic is changed to "resolved, ransom re-payed" yada yada, and carebears are free to pay their ransoms for their CNR without much fear they are going to lose their ships and chat logs REALLY do help Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.30 16:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: KeLLaX why would anyone believe what a pirate says? that's just plain stupid :) +this is just a game and ppl need to grow up, I mean come on, the age average of this game is like 25-26... ppl should be smart enough to consider the worst case and learn not to believe everything they say... I personally prefer losing a 2b ship rather than paying 200m ransom for it... at least I feel better about my self, in the end of the day it's just a game... but oh well, its just my 2 cents... Not paying 200 mill for a 2 bill ship is plain stupid. this Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.08.30 16:17:00 - [24] Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 30/08/2008 16:21:04 To the OP and all low-sec mission runners: EVE is a sandbox with all types of players obviously. So be a little reluctant to make a broad assumption about all players of a particular type because of one experience. Yup. Some pirates and pirate corps dishonor ransoms. Just my experience: lately there seems to be a trend back towards most established low-sec pirate corps and newer low-sec pirate corps with an ounce of common sense being very consistent and adamant about their members keeping their end of any business agreement (hate the term "honoring ransoms" personally). If you choose to mission in low-sec. Do a little research and you can get a pretty good idea of who does and does not keep their business agreements. Mission in the low-sec regions those corps operate in. Another tip. Check the age of the corp. Most of the ones that make a habit of breaking business agreements don't last very long. In fact I can't think of a single low-sec pirate corp that has been named and shamed (with good proof - which your complaint doesn't have btw )recently that was very established. Several didn't even see the whine thread about them drop past page 3 on C&P before they essentially "died". Can't really speak to high-sec pirate "ransoms". Been argued that the economics is different. shrugs Hopefully, what happens in high-sec stays in high-sec but beginning to wonder with all the pirate nerfs if CCP sees it that way anymore. The Bastards keep all business agreements and we've seen a resurgence in targets giving the ransom process an opportunity to work for all involved instead of a) refusing convo invite b) self-destructing c) logging off. Hope it keeps up. Also, we never fly with any pirate corp that doesn't keep their agreements with targets. tl/dr version: Don't stereotype a large player group, it's your responsibility to do your homework before missioning in low-sec and provide proof with any accusation if you want anyone to believe you.
Kale Kold Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.08.30 17:08:00 - [25] VLK honors ransoms and i would kick anyone who didn't! Even if there is a 'weapons malfunction' and the ship is destroyed after a successful ransom our corp policy is to always refund the ransom. These are rules that all pirates have to abide by to make a living. This 'Bl00dy Phoenix' guy sounds like a noob idiot. Personal Record \| Corp Killboard
Feilamya Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.30 17:49:00 - [26] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 so instead of coming here and bashing the entire pirate profession, come to the forums, i konw it sounds stupid, but come to the forums, and name and shame them, you might get a refund (ive seen it happen a couple times) because tbh, if a pirate dishonors a ransom a few things happen I wouldn't bring it to the forums right away. What I would do if this happened to me: (0. Don't pay ransoms to the wrong people) 1. Talk to the guy who dishonored the ransom, but keep it brief. if he shows no intent of refunding your ship, don't feed his ego more than necessary. don't threaten him to talk to his CEO or bring it to the forums, as you will be doing it anyway if you don't get repaid. If it harms him, good for ya, if not, deny him the lulz when your threat turns out to be no more than hot air. If he repays you, forget about the whole thing. 2. Talk to his CEO. Same thing as above: Don't waste time debating with a jerk. If he's not cooperative, goto 3 3. Bring it to the forums. Name and shame the corp and their CEO, not the player (you can do that later). That way, the community will put pressure on the whole corp, and the members of the corp will put pressure on their CEO, if they don't like it. The point is: Even if you are **ed off, it is not smart to ** off his whole corp / alliance and all the pirates in EVE by harming their reputation and business. It won't help you get your ISK back, and it's a cheap and poor kind of revenge (and not a very effective one). However, if his whole corp turn out to be jackasses, make sure you hit all of them. If it works out, their CEO will name/shame the guilty to save the face of the corp, and you will get your ISK back (there are many such threads on C&P which show that it usually happens). Also, the guy who popped your ship will get a spanking from his CEO and his corp mates. That's the best way it can turn out. The worst is that some random people on the forums will whine about the offending corp, and nothing else happens. It won't help you much, but at least you didn't have to do the whining yourself. If you skip the CEO part, you will only do the corp a favour by giving them free attention and delivering a proof on the forums that they normally honor ransoms and deal with members who break this rule. Do they deserve this boost in reputation for popping your ship? If you skip the "talk to the guy" part, they can make the whole thing look like an accident and get away with it (even if you get your money back) Oh, and don't be a jerk! Stay polite all the time. Trust me, it works better.
Greckor Monmouth THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.08.30 18:18:00 - [27] GOOD pirate corps honor ransoms....bad ones dont. But remember, if your just yelling in local that you will pay and send them money, most dont consider that a ransom. Make them agree to it and save the logs. If someone randomly sent me money while I was popping them, I would probably give it back, but many wont, so get dem ransoms in writing first.
Niques Leutre	Posted - 2008.08.30 18:54:00 - [28] Edited by: Niques Leutre on 30/08/2008 18:54:31 Originally by: Watcherof Theskies Well sorry I will never trust a pirate for his word again and will fight to the death and die with my dignity at least..I had respect for that part of the game..Not anymore.. A guy in Jita once offered me a Navy Caracal for only 20 million ISK, then he didn't give it to me! Well sorry I will never trust a player trader for his word again and I will buy blueprints and manufacture all my own modules so I can hold my head high with dignity at least..I had respect for that part of the game...but not anymore. ___________________________________
Gruxella Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.30 18:58:00 - [29] Some of us honor ransoms. Unfortunately a small population doesn't. Be wary. ---- VHI - We Haul Your Cargo For Free ---- We Miss you Red 7.
Anhammerad Nearly Feared	Posted - 2008.08.30 20:35:00 - [30] Actually, we stick to ransoms, etc... All members are required to, it is one of the only corp rules we have. Those who dishonour 1v1s or ransoms will be kicked, no excuses (you need proof of course).
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.30 20:55:00 - [31] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 30/08/2008 20:59:46 Originally by: Watcherof Theskies Do not listen to these jerks if you find yourself cornered by jerk-off players wanting to extort money from you and then you will be on your way...DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM !! Take your ship loss and start over..There is no code for these jerk-off pirates,save that money you were going to give him and Hire someone to take revenge or put it on his head.. yeah If there are a code for pirate extortion..Well you Pirates might want to have a chat with Bl00dy Phoenix..He makes your shady business look like slime..I agree it's part of the game and a valid tactic,But down right being a sleeze and not keeping your word..Thats un called for.. Most of us honour our ransoms. Ask any one of my customers, the deal I made was always upheld. There are pirate corporations where not honouring your ransom means the boot - but of course, you'll find free-lance idiots or corporations which just don't care. Generally if the pilot is a member of a well-established pirate corporation, you can safely pay a ransom. Don't generalize us all because there are douchebags who are weekend pirates with a L4 mission farming alt for their income. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.08.30 21:02:00 - [32] i have honored all the ransoms people have accepted, even the singing ones. and as proof. XXXXXXXXXX > [Sir Mix-a-Lot] I like big butts and I can not lie ... ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.08.31 00:58:00 - [33] This is just a note to say that I personally will never honor a ransom or refund a scam. If I get my hands on your ISK, I'm spending it! Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
Voodoo Mistross Trinity Church of Holy Righteousness BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.08.31 01:23:00 - [34] There is honor among pirates, but as in every facet of society there are those who delight in tasteless behavior. It is not right to condemn a whole facet of society because of the few bad apples, that makes you as bad as them. ______________________________________________________
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.31 02:33:00 - [35] i speak for all of ninjas and pirates members when i say that we do honor all ransoms, any member caught not honoring a ransom will be poded kicked and any corp he goes to wardeced and/or suicide ganked
Athas Darksun Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.08.31 02:33:00 - [36] Edited by: Athas Darksun on 31/08/2008 02:33:51 Pirates: Offer & Honor ransoms (especially when more profit is to be made doing so) Terrorists/Thugs: Delight in seeing your ship explode, and following it up by belittling you afterwards. NOTE: History shows us...that the simplest way to survive an encounter...is to immediatly surrender...in the face of overwhelming odds. Any attempt at resistance against EITHER of the above groups...will most likely end in your destruction...intentionally or not. Ghost Festival is recruiting...

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