| Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
   |
Posted - 2008.08.31 06:48:00 -
[31]
one is that many of those high sec carebear characters are money making alts for 0.0/lowsec mains which means that thy are there to make ISK, not lose ships, as such they will abstain from engaging in combat
|
Dendo Ordoss
Pernicious Creed
Vendetta Alliance.
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 07:52:00 -
[32]
honestly, rather then ppl complaining about carebears not fighting back when they war dec them, why not just war dec a pvp corp/alliance
I can promise you its a lot more fun
|
Maudad
Amarr
Suon Tactical Enterprises
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 08:27:00 -
[33]
Its simple numbers realy, in any given carebear corp there is only so many people who can/will fight and be able to match your average PVP corps SP & experience. For example:-
We have been war decced for the last week or so, have we fought back, nope.
On the face of it we had the numbers. 15 v 4 simple math we win, except when you weed out
a) Inactives we hadnt bothered booting
b) Occational players that can go a week or 2 without being seen. Great blokes but not to be relied upon
c) Players in timezones 8/10 hours different to euro.
d) Pure Industrial characters
We are left with 4 people who can/will do PVP.
Sadly it was our POS they found (small) They attacked it immediately on commecement of hostilities, and after putting it into reinforced we found out why we were decc'ed, simple extortion. It would have been nice to fight back on Saturday early evening and mount a spirited defence, but of the four of us.
1 was on his motorbike wizzing round Portugal for a fortnight.
1 was 300 miles from home visiting family.
Leaving 1 quite highly skilled player and me (8 months old with enough ship skills to mission, enough Science & industry to build nice stuff). Against 4 toons over 2 years old fully T2 fit and a neutral hauler to resupply them.
We did'nt pay, the POS blew up, we lost 2 ships.
So now they carried on the war dec an additional week whats happening, not much.
People still mission/trade just more carefully and have less ISK in space. The four who will fight all have other accounts dedicated to PVP so were not bored.
We have done our homework, we know a lot about the corp that decc'ed us, know some of their alts, know they are a high sec griefer splinter arm of a 40 man pirate corp etc etc. We have no POS to defend anymore, dont have willing manpower to match their SP so it will go on till they get bored or paid (yer right).
tl;dr version. Carebear corps are no more likely to throw themselves at high SP PVP'ers in a high sec war than wander around low sec looking to get ganked.
|
Jade Grimpkin
Trader's Academy
Blue Sky Consortium
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 08:45:00 -
[34]
The OP kind of answered his thread in the first sentence: "why carebear corps don't fight back?".
One doesn't join a carebear corp to pvp.
None of us tremble in fear when a wardec comes our way. We just dock up and get on with spreadsheets online, we're playing a different game to you.
If you haven't tried the whole carebear experience you really should, so many facets to it. If you are already doing it with an alt, you should ask them why they don't fight back.
|
Steinman
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 11:15:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Steinman on 31/08/2008 11:16:03
> But why are other hisec carebear corps so cowardly? We all know they are rolling in
> ISK from the their constant lvl4 grinds. It's something we always discuss
> and can never understand why.
They "we" arent interested in the pvp part of the game. They "we" play simcity, you play doom
|
Melkovali
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 14:26:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: Kazang
They are called carebears because they dont like to fight, i would have thought that was obvious. Some people dont like pvp, these are the carebears, erm i cant think of any more simple way of saying it.
carebear = cookies and veldspar
carebear /= pewpew and savage brutal shootouts
There is no why there just are.
What about pewpewpew and cookies? ;)
I'm just getting into the game, and yes PVP does seem scary, proberbly because I'm mostly playing Solo, but I promise you now, once I feel I am financially secure with a decent ship (Meaning a battlecrusier with 15mil in the bank minimum) I'll be diving into PvP!
|
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 15:27:00 -
[37]
Usually they just hire Mercs. 
~Solo
Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |
Dariah Stardweller
Insidious Industries
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 15:46:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Me and a few corp members have always wondered why carebear corps don't fight back?
Nowadays we are back to Lowsec pirating but there was a time when we did hisec griefing and extortion, etc.. but we found almost without execption that the target corps, even vastly outnumbering us would never fight back.
I thought i would get a discussion going to ask why people think is?
I use the term 'almost without execption' because on one occasion (and the only occasion) a war decc'ed alliance gathered a gang and tried to kill us, they where:
Fatal Error. Alliance. I have the deepest respect for these guys! Even though they lost all their ships, they never ran, never smacked and fought until the last man.
You just answered your question, fighting is not something carebears are good at so they don't do it.
|
Mr Crowley
Minmatar
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 00:25:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Dendo Ordoss
honestly, rather then ppl complaining about carebears not fighting back when they war dec them, why not just war dec a pvp corp/alliance
I can promise you its a lot more fun
This is really the most intelligent post I have seen in the forums in eons.
No discussion of moderation in signatures please - email us if you have any questions - Jacques([email protected]) |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 00:38:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 01/09/2008 00:38:53
I just don't get why they don't pay more often. Typically you have to wreck quite a bit of assets until people pay.
Waiting to lose 500-1000 mil worth of POS equipment before you pay isn't good business.
Besides, I really prefer a flashing wallet then waiting around for 5 hours until a POS killmail appears (and you don't get one thanks to bugged EvE system anyway). What can I say? I'm in it for the money.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Kellen Tavadon
Caldari
Orion Federation
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 05:18:00 -
[41]
Easy answer from me would be because we don't want to waste time.
Why fight back? Fighting you won't make us money or fun times chatting as we mission, 'plex, or mine..it'll just make us angry about losing ships or seeing precious time that couldv'e beenn spend on mining wasted on battles we'd never win.
And also, if you're wining so much about carebears not fighting then here's an original idea for you:
STOP DEC'ING CAREBEARS!
If you know they won't fight then stop wasting your 2m (or more if their in an alliance) on them and go war dec someone who will actually fight you. |
Verx Interis
Amarr
Aurora Security
Cosmic Anomalies
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 05:36:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 31/08/2008 00:50:01
It's funny, back in the day, before GHSC was major, we'd get these tiny contracts to deal with pirates beating up a small carebear corp. Except, halfway through the contract, regardless of who it was against, the carebears would start worrying about hiring us, because it might piss off other pirates in the area. Carebears... truly live in a constant atmosphere of terror, and I do not envy them for this. I cannot imagine being afraid of everyone around you like that.
This reminds me of when I lived in lowsec with a group of carebears, one accidental neutral kill and these idiots who only saw black and white (pirate or anti-pirate) would start screaming and freaking out. The majority of their reason seemed to be the fear of someone getting angry and attacking them. I remember explaining to one guy about why we were shooting 2 day old noobcorp members (they were scouting our POSes) and they seemed to consider it piracy and it made them "uncomfortable"
There was also a time a corpmate killed the alt of a friendly, and within 10 minutes of the kill, the loss was refunded, apologies were made, everyone was fine (including the guy who was killed) yet for a few days afterwards these people (who seemed to have nothing better to do than patrol killboards to look for unauthorized kills) would complain about it and try to call us pirates and be general *******s. The killboard ****s were always in a different corp from the guy who died, I can only imagine they were afraid that they might be blamed simply because they have us set to blue...
Learn to do politics correctly, seriously. |
Trollie
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 05:45:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Melkovali
I'm just getting into the game, and yes PVP does seem scary, proberbly because I'm mostly playing Solo, but I promise you now, once I feel I am financially secure with a decent ship (Meaning a battlecrusier with 15mil in the bank minimum) I'll be diving into PvP!
Dunno if you are being a sarcastic troll or what. But if you really mean it: this is a classic newbie mistake. And it is one mistake that adds to the fear many bears have of PvP. Your plan will end as badly for you as it has for many bears before you.
Go out in a frig till you learn the basics of, well, everything that isn't applicable in high sec. And then move on to a cruiser and stay there for a while. |
Beltantis Torrence
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 08:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Me and a few corp members have always wondered why carebear corps don't fight back?
Nowadays we are back to Lowsec pirating but there was a time when we did hisec griefing and extortion, etc.. but we found almost without execption that the target corps, even vastly outnumbering us would never fight back.
I thought i would get a discussion going to ask why people think is?
I use the term 'almost without execption' because on one occasion (and the only occasion) a war decc'ed alliance gathered a gang and tried to kill us, they where:
Fatal Error. Alliance. I have the deepest respect for these guys! Even though they lost all their ships, they never ran, never smacked and fought until the last man.
*salutes*
This is a screenie of the killboard (a long time ago  )
http://www.kalekold.net/misc/Engagement.jpg
But why are other hisec carebear corps so cowardly? We all know they are rolling in ISK from the their constant lvl4 grinds. It's something we always discuss and can never understand why.
This, tbh. Numbers are misleading, the only number that matters is the number of people logged in at that moment who are not just skill swapping and can actually play. Likewise, what can they fly? Are they mostly newbies who can barely fit out a drake? Miner spec'd chars? What are you flying?
Most people can do simple math - you're not going to find a lot of HAC/Recon/Tackler pilots in a carebear corp. They exist but in general people don't fly into fights they'd likely lose. |
Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 17:04:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Beltantis Torrence
To fight a decent war dec in Eve today you need (at the least):
Interceptors, nano's, arazu's or hictor's to tackle.
Recons/Cov ops for scouting and scanning out targets.
Rapiers or Scorps/falcons, to deal with tacklers/nano's or keep your tacklers alive.
High DPS battleship pilots (T2 torps or blasterthrons or whatever)
Remote rep skills.
A semi-competant FC and pilots who are accustomed to PVP'ing for said FC.
Coordinated logins so that the FC can run Ops with a gang that has all the roles filled.
These are things that carebear corps just don't possess.
People say "well, you could tackle with T1 frigs, do Ewar with blackbirds and fit up some basic ravens" but lets be honest and admit those are gangs that get massacred against a high SP pirate gang. Those groups might zerg a lone WT or two but they aren't sufficient to fight a prolonged battle.
This is quite frankly an idiotic attitude. I'm currently fighting an war against a 100-man corporation as a one-man corp, and having fun doing it. I feel no need for T2 ships to show off as a measure of my e-peen. So far I have been fighting in T1 frigates. (Almost killed a Brutix with a Slasher, apparently the guy was afk in the bathroom or something, but he came back in time to pwn me.) In a few days I may bring out the cruisers. Wars in EVE are not about overpowering your enemy with a show of how many GTCs you can afford -- they are about challenging yourself. The true EVE warrior picks difficult targets, deliberately chooses ships smaller than what his opponents will bring, and seeks those killmails that bring him glory. |
Durzel
Caldari
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 18:56:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Durzel on 01/09/2008 18:56:02
OP makes no sense.
War-deccing "carebear corps" - what do you expect them to do? Would you wardec them in the first place if they looked formidable? The question is - is the OP actually looking for the fight he apparently craves, or an means to shoot fish in a barrel? |
Dariah Stardweller
Insidious Industries
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 18:58:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
The true EVE warrior picks difficult targets, deliberately chooses ships smaller than what his opponents will bring, and seeks those killmails that bring him glory.
How very true, just too bad that those ppl are even scarce than carebears willing to fight :) |
Jimer Lins
Gallente
Federation Fleet
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 01:26:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 01/09/2008 00:38:53
I just don't get why they don't pay more often. Typically you have to wreck quite a bit of assets until people pay.
Waiting to lose 500-1000 mil worth of POS equipment before you pay isn't good business.
Besides, I really prefer a flashing wallet then waiting around for 5 hours until a POS killmail appears (and you don't get one thanks to bugged EvE system anyway). What can I say? I'm in it for the money.
I'll tell you why they don't pay (and why the ones that do are making the wrong choice). No matter how much damage you do, paying you means they'll have to pay everyone else who lines up for a turn at the trough.
Giving in to extortion makes it clear that you can be extorted, and it's a losing proposition in the long run. It also has serious side effects, such as really ****ing on morale, and it can't really be enforced- just like refusing to honor ransoms, nothing stops a corp from demanding ISK, getting it, then keep up blowing you up for the lulz.
|
lucozally
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 05:44:00 -
[49]
One that people have missed out is know how, the carebear corp I was in was decced, we tried to fight back but firstly suffered losses then when we were in position to get some kills, griefers just fought at stations and gates so they could dock/jump out when things were going TU.
After that, log in, sit in station, boot up second client and go on with business with an non corp alt, and switch screens every so often to laugh at the griefers smacking in local wasting their time. Its the best way to get a win, make pirates waste their time sitting outside a station for a week, while you go on and play your game |
Yendaj
Minmatar
Heretic Militia
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 07:50:00 -
[50]
Heretics got bored one night and decided to go to a well known griefing system.
I generally loathe high sec griefers and find them ridiculous. Targets are targets, so what the hell right?
So our combat pilots got in any kind of ship they could muster and started mining. Didnt take long for the wanna be piwats to show up and start flipping cans...
Best bloody mining op any of us have ever been on!!!
Heretics loses 0
High sec griefers?? hahahah, that failmore was the worst can flipping ship set up we have ever seen..
What were you thinking sir?? what were you thinking????? |
Agor Dirdonen
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 08:38:00 -
[51]
Suppose you could start something like this:
a Mining Contest
It involves one corp challenging another corp for mining the most ore in 1 week. The looser of the contest will have to give all his ships he used during the contest to the winner, except if the challenged corp didn't accept the challenge.
Now, how many real PVP corporations would accept this challenge? How many would say... heck, let's forget about pvp for a week, invest in some big mining ships and go for it. The other corp has hulks, rorquals and stuff but if we train up some industrial skills and get mining to lvl 2 or higher, we probably have a chance.
How many pvp corporations would say.... frak that.... we're not gonna do that?
I think it's the same for carebear corps that are decced by a pvp corp. Why should they from their point of view? |
Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Caldari
Haruspex Industries
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 12:43:00 -
[52]
People who dec carebear corps - specificly carebear corps - are looking to crush people with the overwhelming superiority of their epeens. They are not looking for nail-biting action or close won fights where skill trumps the day. They want to take nicely fit T2 ships and blast their way through a bunch of mining barges and indys with the hope that the carebears might totter out in a few badly fit cruisers and frig that can be killed to pad the killboard and provide bragging rights.
Since itĘs actually a war, who really wins ū the carebears that dock up and sit out the dec, or the pirates that sit in system smacking the few guys that stay on to station trade? Unless the uber-wtfpwnge pirates get more than 50M in kills it seems pretty clear to me that carebears win the war. Therefore the reason carebears donĘt fight is because that way they win
|
Matchu
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 12:54:00 -
[53]
Wel the best part for carebears to avoid wardecks is ofcourse moving on to one of the alt corperations that are in place.
I am an industrialist and most of my skillpoints are in science, industry and learning. So my chance of winning an engagement with a pirate are about 0% as the pirate usualy runs away when he sees i fly a ishtar, or another ship he has a low change of winning. Everybody in eve be he pirate or carebear or merc or trader or whatever else there is is weighing his changes when change is low you run, hide or dock.
Most carebears have there skillpoints low in pvp/combat skills so they normaly run.
One advise i have for every carebear is, NEVER pay any ransom if you pay the bill once you can pay the bill again in a week or two. Just suck it up lose the ship/cargo recoup and go on.
ps yes this is written on an alt. as i don't wan't to set my corpmates up with a war. |
TinmanMiner
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 12:57:00 -
[54]
Usually their alt corp will dec you back |
Huberek Morchu
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:18:00 -
[55]
Some of us fight. My mains corp was recently decd three times by random hi sec terrorists, and the first thing we did was find out who else they had decd, set up a intel channel, and then hunted them down and camped them and blew them up till they ended the dec. In one case we had a merc corp helping. Now this only works with small corps who are only looking for easy kills. Anyone who really wants to fight even a loosely organized blob, turns into a carebear once you show some teeth. Anyone else we just dock and bore them.
We dont fight because we enjoy the industry side of things. We want to make isk and buy cool ships to fly around. Or goals are not to kill, but to help our wallet. Losing ships does not help your wallet.
|
Kale Kold
Vicious Little Killers
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:49:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Huberek Morchu
Losing ships does not help your wallet.
No, but you losing yours does!
Talk is cheap, ...like i said i've only ever known one alliance fight back and they lost all ships fielded.
|
kworld
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:52:00 -
[57]
Edited by: kworld on 02/09/2008 15:54:52
Originally by: Kale Kold
Me and a few corp members have always wondered why carebear corps don't fight back?
Why ask when you have already said the answer?. The reason they don't fight back is because they are carebears and a carebear is someone who mines and missions all day and doesnt pvp so you have answered your own question.
|
Planks
Unjustified Ancients of MuMu
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:56:00 -
[58]
I often see comments in local where someone is frustrated that carebears aren't fighting back in some wardec or another.
Simple solution ... Don't wardec noob corps for easy kills. If you want some pvp action wardec a competent pvp corp. Or is the risk/reward thing out of kilter there?
|
King Rothgar
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:56:00 -
[59]
This question has mostly been answered but I've spent the vast majority of my time in eve in carebear corps so I will add to it. First off many in carebear corps are new players, they simply can't compete in pvp. Yeah I know a 5 day old noob can ransom a 3 year old charicter in low sec, but that's only if the guy manages to scramble the older charicter screwing around in a mining barge or something, if they show up in a HAC it's all over. So don't spam that bullshit about skillpoints being irrelevent, after 2 years maybe they are but that first year of playing your ship and module choices are pretty limited. So, these <6 month old charicters with little or no pvp experience really have no hope of beating even a small team of 2+ year old charicters with many hours of heavy pvp under their belt. Obviously not all those in carebear corps are rookies, the CEO of my last real corp was a 5 year old carebear charicter. He just likes missioning and doesn't care about pvp, I don't know why but it doesn't interest him even slightly. He owns practically every non-capital ship in game and can fully t2 fit them all. He could be a serious monster in pvp if he only tried but it does not interest him. A few in the corp like myself gradually got sick of missioning and so we moved on and do a bit of low sec piracy amoung other things. Hence there were a few of us who did pvp on occasion, but we left the corp for a pvp corp leaving only the carebears behind. That's it in a nutshell, the pvp guys in carebear corps leave the corp, hence the corp doesn't pvp.
|
Nierrena
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:31:00 -
[60]
What makes me laugh is if all these people are into pvp so much why do they pick on carebears ? Are they scared of fighting against someone who can pvp.
Lets pick on the carebears because if i pick on someone who can pvp ill get my a**e handed to me.
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |