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ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.30 22:19:00 - [1] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=859291 Posted in wrong location initially, sorry for the other post but i was told this section is best for investments.
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.31 15:26:00 - [2] I updated the rate of return and the stock payouts please see the linked thread at the top of this post and read my post on the bottom.
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.31 17:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Johnathan Roark Why do I need to have an alt in your corp? to allow investors to see the books
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.31 17:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: ShadowandLight to allow investors to see the books As an idea, great. In practice, not so great. There are several better ways to do this. Firstly, you could just find a community accepted whistleblower. He'd join your corp and if something whacked out happens, he blows the whistle. This could also be done via API monitoring as well. Hmmmm... don't know a real second tbh. Just let me point out, having every investor being able to look at your books is NOT a good idea. Period. Thanks for that info, id prefer an independent auditor that the investors could hire....
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.01 17:07:00 - [5] up
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Nido Gentz A perfect example of a scam in progress, take note folks. If you are going to scam, try not to make it so obvious. im sorry you feel this is a scam, but ive done everything i can in game and out of game to prove my sincerity in the situation.
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:03:00 - [7] Edited by: ShadowandLight on 05/09/2008 16:03:40 double post, bad response
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Mossreach Which t2 bpo's are you getting as part of this deal? Deduct the market value of them and the 8 towers from 30b and the balance you're effectively paying for this corp cant be more than a few weeks profit, if it's making 2B per week. Either my math is off or that's one highly motivated seller.. they are 50 T2 Component BPO's, worth in total about 500 Million BEFORE the research that has been done to them so lets say 1 billion since they are all above 33 PE / ME Figure 10 billion in assets, 15 billion for the corp, 3 - 4 months on paper for investor dividends to pay them back and for them to start making profits
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Ricdic You went from a 6% per month return to a 25% per month return after apparently securing investors for up to 20b of the offering. I call bs tbh. If you had already raised 2/3 of the capital you wouldn't be rising the interest rate especially by such a huge margin. 6% interest in the long run was putting the corp in a hole. I did the math, and figured it would be easier to understand and slightly cheaper for the corp to pay a pure dividend based on the investment every month. at 25% dividend, according to current corp profit vs expenses, the corp will be clearing 1.7 billion ISK per month after paying expenses and dividends
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:22:00 - [10] ANSWERS TO SHAR TEGRAL - 3rd party's are Quinti Aurelius and SunBurnedFrog - Ive been trying to get Alliance Diplomat into here to comment, but they have been busy. I will keep on this, its out of my control. - Investors right now I am keeping anonomys, but only because I dont know if all of them want to be known. However, please EVEMAIL me for access to the internal game mailing list, and once that happens u can post a request for investors to contact you that way. - 25% dividend the corp is projected to make 1.7 billion ISK / month and pays out 6.0 billion. At 30%, the corp makes 564 million and pays out 7.2 billion isk. If the corp is able to expand its operations and grow the profit margin, we MIGHT be able to hit 35 - 40 % return rates, no promises. 25% right now works for everyone and makes the corp wallet able to grow a cushion. - Downside numbers would be based on NOT selling t2 components and only selling Moon Minerals ( r32 ) if that happens, worse case, we sell the 4 faction towers that are producing t2 components and downsize, slashing out expenses.
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:26:00 - [11] Please see the 1st post, now updated with screen shots and link to the spreadsheet i am working on with the financial data.
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 17:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Shar Tegral Scam alert. OP just edited and changed the BPO screenshots as I was looking at them. I just organized the BPO list by name so people can see that the corp owns multiple copies of the same BPO jeez, calm down
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 17:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Shar Tegral And, finally, why (for heaven's sake) would you have a screen shot of a web page all about "Faked Photographs/Screen shots" open on your screen shot of some proof? Also one must consider that after all of your care in removing identifying marks from other screen shots that you suddenly oops and leave the "stargate" on your overview.[/justify] can u clarify this? im not sure what u mean
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 17:38:00 - [14] Edited by: ShadowandLight on 05/09/2008 17:43:05 Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: ShadowandLight can u clarify this? im not sure what u mean What I mean is that you had one screen shot up that showed your entire desktop. This included your browser window which was open to page about faking photographs. You then changed the screen shots removing that portion. As an example: Original BPO1.JPG Edited bpo1.jpg Original BPO2.JPG Edited bpo1.jpg Original BPO3.JPG Edited bpo3.jpg IMHO, the fact that you have decided to act as if you don't know what I am talking about simply confirms your scammer status. Oh don't worry, we know that you haven't scammed yet and thus you can cry that you weren't going to scam. However changing screen shots after the fact just absolutely destroys your credibility to such that... who cares anymore? You may leave now. lol that was a STORY on DIGG.COM about FAKE photographs that have become FAMOUS on the internet if i was TRYING TO SCAM PEOPLE i wouldnt be STUPID enough to have PHOTOSHOP open while EDITING the pictures.... give me a break Orignial Story Digg.com Link
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.05 20:42:00 - [15] Edited by: ShadowandLight on 05/09/2008 20:43:59 Edited by: ShadowandLight on 05/09/2008 20:42:57 Originally by: Rho'varo Well, giving you the benefit of the doubt for now (the updated BPO screenshots were indeed better sorted than the originals), a couple of questions: On your spreadsheet, under expenses: (i) "Employee: 400 million": is this funding for GTCs for two accounts to operate this enterprise? Answer: I was forcasting 400 million to go to whoever we can hire ( 1 or 2 people ) to help with hauling, reactions, etc. I know the work involved maybe too much for just myself. (ii) "LFA Alliance: 100 million": membership dues for the 0.0 alliance you mention? The local heavies who are willing to defend your deployed assets? And they're willing to do this for just 0.58% a of your gross sales when you have such a huge operating margin? I'm surprised they didn't want more. Answer: The alliance charges a flat 100 million ISK / month for all corps. regardless of income Further issues: (iii) in the real world, hiring an auditor is something that a company itself does, and the expense is counted amongst the other expenses; obviously there aren't securities regulations in New Eden to mandate the same, but that does seem a sensible model; Answer: I agree, i will work in an auditors cost into the situation (iv) still no confirming post from your security force. Answer: I am TRYING to get Sir Prime from LFA to get into the forums.... (v) Just a light-hearted jab here, but regarding the "Doctored Photos" webpage in the screenshots that Shar helpfully saved... you say "if i was TRYING TO SCAM PEOPLE i wouldnt be STUPID enough to have PHOTOSHOP open while EDITING the pictures..."... so you're saying only that you closed Photoshop beforehand? Answer: I cant write my name in photoshop, neverless doctor BPO lists or Wallets....
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Finedele removing initial post always proofs something went way wrong for everyone who put money in it. The reason i removed the post in the 1st place was because the investors wanted to keep the IPO semi private, and at the time we had enough " promised " investors to make this work. So, i thought i didnt need anymore capital, and removed the post.
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Rho'varo Originally by: ShadowandLightsMojo It seems one of our investors screwed everyone else, and went behind our backs to cut a deal. Name and shame, please! Sadly i do not have direct proof. All i know is that an investor who had already a month or 2 before this offer had purchased a small section of the business we wanted to completely take over. about 4 days before we were to close the deal, that investor, who had promised about 20% of the capital we needed, stop responding to any emails. He was online frequently, as i had him in my address book, but refused to talk to me. So, once i heard that we were all of a sudden outbid, i put 2 and 2 together. I maybe wrong, thats why im not naming names... yet.

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