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fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.04 22:58:00 - [61] Originally by: Flow Befort Well it's not the 0.0 experience YET because you can't get DD'ed and all of you lose your ships before your modules activate :)
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:08:00 - [62] bump
Wodan Violence Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:13:00 - [63] It would probably help if CCP had an office near a major university offering a top-rated postgraduate program in software engineering. That way they could recruit programmers who have actually been trained to solve these problems, instead of people who specialize in drinking and ignoring the weather.
ZephyrLexx Caldari Earth Federation Space Forces	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:21:00 - [64] Originally by: Wodan Violence It would probably help if CCP had an office near a major university offering a top-rated postgraduate program in software engineering. That way they could recruit programmers who have actually been trained to solve these problems, instead of people who specialize in drinking and ignoring the weather. fried gold
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:23:00 - [65] Lag during fleet battles? Can CCP do something about this after the nanonerf and walking around in stations and maybe creating swimming pools in the stations so we can have a nice dip after flying around in space shooting Guristas. Ooh, and karaoke that we can tie into eve voice and maybe a giant bay window beside the undock so we can see all the armour and hull reppers and PA outside and paint them with our painting skills and sell them on the market for lots of ISK so I can buy a CNR and run level four missions so I can afford the best lasers for my CNR to help avoid the lag created by Faction Wars and Jita and then my character can have a massage and a drink and watch the exotic dancers and I can take a screenshot for my folder, no reason, and then go to a gallery and look at all the nice sculptures made from the bits from wrecks all soldered together and then maybe a haircut and back to my place and I can look at all my 3D holocerts for flying ships that I can fly and who cares about lag I'm just gonna run around the station talking to my eve buddies in the same station and, what, you can fly spaceships in this game?
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:39:00 - [66] Originally by: Anna Valerios Edited by: Anna Valerios on 04/09/2008 20:06:20 There is nothing AT ALL more important than walking around in stations bob, please stfu! edit: i heard posting on the forums makes lag? Maybe their ploy is to get so much of eve into the same laggy mess all of it will consider less lag a new feature and they won't need to pump out expansions for a year or two as they just upgrade servers
Ex2 Wombat	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:05:00 - [67] Welcome to life outside empire mission-running. Seriously, welcome. Maybe if enough empire-dwellers complain CCP will actually do something useful about lag. Also factional warfare should have missions that involve jumping into a carrier fleet with fighters out, and getting DD'd. for the "experience".
Zordag	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:53:00 - [68] I suspect that the lag problem is systemic (i.e. how the system is designed in general), and thus, the lag cannot be "fixed" unless EvE is rewritten. Perhaps CCP should hire or get a few courses on algoritmics. I wouldn't be surprised if most of their calculation complexity is of the n2 (n square) complexity (or worst), whereas they should strive for n log n or simply n complexity . Computational complexity theory Case in point, the early implementation of gang bonuses. Originally, everyone in gang could give bonuses and the highest skill in the group "won". That's a n square complexity; every real time cycle, you need to check for the best bonus. Any real time software engineer would tell you this is a big no no. Z.
Dontcheck Availability GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:52:00 - [69] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Opertone i've seen FW corps spam local just for the sake of getting lag and obtaining advantage Pretty disappointing, but this is spot on. A lot of tactics used in FW revolve around lagging out the enemy fleet so they effectively cant play and thus being sitting ducks for the first few seconds/minutes of the fight. Frequent quote from one of our FCs: "Orbit this gate at optimal, we'll wait for them to jump into us. Get your drones out, we're lagging them out!". I sure hope the next expansion will include certificates for creating lag. ____________________
MrClock Gallente Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:57:00 - [70] Originally by: Zordag I suspect that the lag problem is systemic (i.e. how the system is designed in general), and thus, the lag cannot be "fixed" unless EvE is rewritten. Perhaps CCP should hire or get a few courses on algoritmics. I wouldn't be surprised if most of their calculation complexity is of the n2 (n square) complexity (or worst), whereas they should strive for n log n or simply n complexity . Computational complexity theory Case in point, the early implementation of gang bonuses. Originally, everyone in gang could give bonuses and the highest skill in the group "won". That's a n square complexity; every real time cycle, you need to check for the best bonus. Any real time software engineer would tell you this is a big no no. Z. 0.

Sporadicus Hue GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:59:00 - [71] So, I see the old "talking in local creates lag" argument has resurfaced. The faction warfare people could save a lot of time by reading a lot of the 0.0 and CAOD threads on lag and just copy and paste information from there. r
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.09.05 06:51:00 - [72] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 05/09/2008 06:51:55 Hmm, if Goons and the militias whine together, how many pages can that put out in 24 hours? More interesting, will it fix lag?
Ar'tee DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:02:00 - [73] Originally by: Washinome Igarashi Edited by: Washinome Igarashi on 31/08/2008 03:56:01 What do I mean? The client goes mostly unresponsive, but not to the point where you're "disconnected" - modules get activated about three minutes after you clicked them, but you've clicked them so many times it's like Shroedenger's Module now You think 3 minutes lag is bad, try 0.0 warfare sometime. And yes, those shiny 1B+ costing ships are affected just as much. Now for some practical combat hints: as lag is the deciding factor in basically any large battle, do as follows: - Never mind armor/shield reps, they won't activate in time. Simply fit as many hitpoints as possible (armor plates, shield extenders), and pray you survive or fly out of range in time. - Only use long range setups, because chances are the target you're shooting is still in range when after 15 minutes your guns activate. (I wish I where kidding about the 15 minutes, too) - Only fly Amarr - no gun reloading. Now that we got these basic points out of the way, WELCOME TO 0.0 WARFARE
Zataaki GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:02:00 - [74] Originally by: Trzzbk WELCOME TO 0.0 ASS****S lol -Z
Winchestori Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:04:00 - [75] Edited by: Winchestori on 05/09/2008 08:04:33 Originally by: KeratinBoy Lag during fleet battles? Can CCP do something about this after the nanonerf and walking around in stations and maybe creating swimming pools in the stations so we can have a nice dip after flying around in space shooting Guristas. Ooh, and karaoke that we can tie into eve voice and maybe a giant bay window beside the undock so we can see all the armour and hull reppers and PA outside and paint them with our painting skills and sell them on the market for lots of ISK so I can buy a CNR and run level four missions so I can afford the best lasers for my CNR to help avoid the lag created by Faction Wars and Jita and then my character can have a massage and a drink and watch the exotic dancers and I can take a screenshot for my folder, no reason, and then go to a gallery and look at all the nice sculptures made from the bits from wrecks all soldered together and then maybe a haircut and back to my place and I can look at all my 3D holocerts for flying ships that I can fly and who cares about lag I'm just gonna run around the station talking to my eve buddies in the same station and, what, you can fly spaceships in this game? lol. this is the best #69 post ever.
Innominate GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:16:00 - [76] Edited by: Innominate on 05/09/2008 08:30:23 Nice to see that more people are experiencing what we've been complaining about in 0.0 for years. It's Schadenfreude! It's worth noting that ships lost in pvp due to lag or flat out exploding servers will not be reimbursed by CCP. Die after being frozen for 15minutes and the node crashing? The logs don't show anything, besides if you engage in pvp you should be expecting this sort of lag!
SloMoJoe GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:35:00 - [77] "Why can't I click stuff?" "How come my chat isn't going through?" "How come CCP doesn't just FIX this?!" AAAAHAHAHAAAHHHAAAAHHAAAAA In case you didn't catch that, here it is again. AAAAAHHHAHAHAHAAAAHHHAAAAA.. Mess with your settings all you want won't change the fact that it's most often SERVER lag not CLIENT lag ****S. Until all the whiny morons see a blob, have an idea what 15 minute chat lag and 20 minute module looks like we will continue to have these kinds of **ed threads. This is my eve online siganture. There are many like it but this one is mine.**
SloMoJoe GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:37:00 - [78] AAAHHAAAHHAAAAA This is my eve online siganture. There are many like it but this one is mine.
Gabe Barr	Posted - 2008.09.05 11:00:00 - [79] The lag must be a direct result of system security status being too high, too many concord ships around and turrets and things at gates. I've got to say that large fleets in 0.0 space run buttah smooth these days, even with all the brackets on! Motherships on grid with fighters outOHWAI node burns
headseed Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 11:02:00 - [80] Edited by: headseed on 05/09/2008 11:04:12 Originally by: Innominate Edited by: Innominate on 05/09/2008 08:30:23 Nice to see that more people are experiencing what we've been complaining about in 0.0 for years. The logs don't show anything, besides if you engage in pvp you should be expecting this sort of lag! I love the "you should expect it" response -0

frank frank Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 12:01:00 - [81] This thread is now about HUGHALGHALGHLAHGLHALGHLAHGLUHALUHGLUHALULGHAHUGL (HUGLAHGLAHLGHLAUHGLUHALUGHLAHLUAHLGHLAHGULHALGHLUAGLHALUGHLUAU)
Woo Glin	Posted - 2008.09.05 13:00:00 - [82] Edited by: Woo Glin on 05/09/2008 13:00:37 Originally by: frank frank This thread is now about HUGHALGHALGHLAHGLHALGHLAHGLUHALUHGLUHALULGHAHUGL (HUGLAHGLAHLGHLAUHGLUHALUGHLAHLUAHLGHLAHGULHALGHLUAGLHALUGHLUAU) Quite possibly, but HUGHALGHALGHLAHGLHALGHLAHGLUHALUHGLUHALULGHAHUGL. Furthermore, HUGHALGHALGHLAHGLHALGHLAHGLUHALUHGLUHALULGHAHUGLHUGHALGHALGHLAHGLHALGHLAHLGHALGHLAHGLHALGHLAHGLUHALUHGLUHALULGHAHUGL. Guys we need to protect my ratting raven and my mining bot, and let me walk around and buy a beer in the station (LOL beer). YARRRRR Self-destruct yourself. Do it.
Orion Moonstar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 14:32:00 - [83] [img-timeline] http://www.dariusjohnson.org/dec20bobts.mp3 http://www.daitengu.com/ohgod/dec20bobts.mp3
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 15:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Opertone i've seen FW corps spam local just for the sake of getting lag and obtaining advantage Pretty disappointing, but this is spot on. A lot of tactics used in FW revolve around lagging out the enemy fleet so they effectively cant play and thus being sitting ducks for the first few seconds/minutes of the fight. Frequent quote from one of our FCs: "Orbit this gate at optimal, we'll wait for them to jump into us. Get your drones out, we're lagging them out!". Anyone who thinks that even "heavy" chat-spam in local causes a significant enough amount of lag to actually lag someone out is pretty **ing ****ed. Anyway, uh...welcome to what we face in 0.0 warfare. We've been complaining about it for years and have been ignored. Maybe now that the majority of the userbase (ie, empire dwellers) complain about it, they'll fix things. I'm not holding out too much hope though.
Alex Zander505 Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.09.05 15:26:00 - [85] Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Trzzbk WELCOME TO 0.0 ASS****S
Kanoa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 15:33:00 - [86] Edited by: Kanoa on 05/09/2008 15:33:02 Originally by: Zordag Case in point, the early implementation of gang bonuses. Originally, everyone in gang could give bonuses and the highest skill in the group "won". That's a n square complexity; every real time cycle, you need to check for the best bonus. Any real time software engineer would tell you this is a big no no. Z. I can see someone failed their algorithms course.
Zell Shadowcast The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:01:00 - [87] Guys can't we move past this. Don't you remember the Dev saying that the CSM was short sighted and needed to get over lag and look to the future of eve?
Lovesync Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:08:00 - [88] Its funny how Factional Warfare gets the Empire kiddies to unify with 0.0 dwellers about lag. (z0.0r) ____
Zell Shadowcast The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:23:00 - [89] I didn't read the thread, are people tossing around the same stupid fixes that don't actually do anything at all? Guess what guys, playing from the map, playing without effects or sound, rubbing cheetah blood on your computer, overview settings or your players age doesn't do anything when the node is taking 30 minutes to respond to any command. Yeah It will improve your fps and graphical lag, but the lag everyone complains about is server side and it doesn't matter how fancy your client is personalized against lag when hundreds of people simultaneously regardless of settings all freeze up for long periods of time.
ElanMorin6 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.05 17:53:00 - [90] Originally by: Kanoa I can see someone failed their algorithms course. It was a CCP dev wasn't it?



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