Originally by: Ren Surkova

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you're sick

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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garmon is 90% Surfin's PlunderBunny,
10% er...Surfin's PlunderBunny

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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PEDO BEAR!!!

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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???

Oooookaaaayyy.....

You're a troll. Congrats.

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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You know, SOME of us think with that gray thing located at the top of our necks, rather than the pink thing below our waistlines.

I thought it was cool, and the girl was cute. Reminded me of my little sister at that age. But APPARENTLY some of you just choose to think with your wangs. Sickos.

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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garmon is 90% Surfin's PlunderBunny,
10% er...Surfin's PlunderBunny

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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???

Oooookaaaayyy.....

You're a troll. Congrats.

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yeah if anyone claims to be disturbed by this they must be a troll

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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I'm not the one scouring youtube for videos of kids pervert

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Originally by: Roguehalo

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Can you nano Titans?

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Lots of immature people in this thread to be honest.

Dont worry guys, you will grow up soon and realize there are many non-sexual ways to appreciate a person. You will probably realize this when you hit ... 30. If you're lucky.

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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garmon is 90% Surfin's PlunderBunny,
10% er...Surfin's PlunderBunny

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 02/09/2008 18:50:58

Originally by: Ren Surkova

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I'm not the one scouring youtube for videos of kids pervert

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Hey dumbass; I found this video Here (just scroll down a bit) I didn't go looking for videos of kids. Stop projecting your perversions on other forum users.

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Lots of immature people in this thread to be honest.

Dont worry guys, you will grow up soon and realize there are many non-sexual ways to appreciate a person. You will probably realize this when you hit ... 30. If you're lucky.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Jana Clant

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Bish, you're letting the trolls rip you apart.

On-topic: I got the impression the video was running at an accelerated rate from the point she started disassembling up until she was finished. Am I the only one getting this impression?

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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Appretiating how a kid handles a tool for killing people is messed up.

Now show me a video of a cute kiddy suicide bomber.

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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Appretiating how a kid handles a tool for killing people is messed up.

Now show my a video of a cute kiddy suicide bomber.

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Originally by: Roguehalo

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Can you nano Titans?

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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I can't stand to see people wrong on the Internet.

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Bish_Ounen.txt

-latent pedo
-unironically enjoys webcomics
-more to come

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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Appretiating how a kid handles a tool for killing people is messed up.

Now show me a video of a cute kiddy suicide bomber.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Bish_Ounen.txt

-latent pedo
-unironically enjoys webcomics
-more to come

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Show us on the doll were Uncle Owen touched you.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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Appretiating how a kid handles a tool for killing people is messed up.

Now show me a video of a cute kiddy suicide bomber.

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Oh hai, Hello Kitty is that way ----------------->

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Originally by: Fuh****zle

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very nice. I was fully prepared for her to not perform the function check and fail, but nope, she did it. Impressive. Let's see her do it blindfolded.

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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haha I get it, because anyone who takes child abuse seriously was molested, nice throw away insult dude

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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I see your lame ass insult and raise you an 'I hope you got a kleenex for that moment of underage entertainment.'

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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haha I get it, because anyone who takes child abuse seriously was molested, nice throw away insult dude

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Show us on the video where the child was abused right after we get done with the doll.

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Originally by: Chris Liath

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I find the fact that an 11-year old girl knows how to dis- and reassemble an AR-15 disturbing.
War kills people.
Killing people is wrong.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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the abuse happens by proxy when you get an enormous subconcious boner wishing that AR15 was your flesh

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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the abuse happens by proxy when you get an enormous subconcious boner wishing that AR15 was your flesh

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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the abuse happens by proxy when you get an enormous subconcious boner wishing that AR15 was your flesh

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Wow. Projecting much? YIKES!

Look, you don't have to agree with the topic, but suggesting that other forum users are pedophiles (or paedophiles, if you prefer) is out of bounds and trolling. Keep it up and I'm reporting you.

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Originally by: Opertone

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i assume that this rifle is hard to re assemble and easy to mess up...

maybe it is not a good idea to do this in combat?

are there any simpler rifles?

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Originally by: Opertone

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i assume that this rifle is hard to re assemble and easy to mess up...

maybe it is not a good idea to do this in combat?

are there any simpler rifles?

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Originally by: Opertone

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i assume that this rifle is hard to re assemble and easy to mess up...

maybe it is not a good idea to do this in combat?

are there any simpler rifles?

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Kor Korenfield

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5 more years, and I'd hit it.

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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It's understandable for you to think that since your kind tend to be afraid of your own shadow

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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It's understandable for you to think that since your kind tend to be afraid of your own shadow

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yeah because gun enthusiasts are well trained and knowledgeable.

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Originally by: Kephael

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Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 19:57:01
Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 19:56:19
I had a feeling this video was going to be in thread, the father of this girl posts on TheHighRoad every once in a while. If I recall correctly the guys from AR15.com sent her and her father a parts kit and built her a pink AR-15.

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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???

Oooookaaaayyy.....

You're a troll. Congrats.

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yeah if anyone claims to be disturbed by this they must be a troll

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You find a young girl taught the proper use, safety, and field strip techniques of firearms to be "disturbing"? Seems to me that learning how to properly use and respect firearms is preferable to quaking in the corner with fear about them.

This girl is obviously smart, focused, and dedicated to learn such a difficult skill at so young an age. I suspect that she will grow up to be a strong, independent and powerful woman someday. I have nothing but respect for a young person like this.

It's too bad you just don't get it.

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Originally by: McBrite

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Disturbing? I not only call it disturbing, I call it ******* insane!!!

NO 11 year old girl needs to know how to field-strip ANY assault rifle...

I'd never have thought that you'd have to expain that fact to anybody.

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Originally by: Ruze

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It's creeps like some of the trolls here who are responsible for our societies current state of affairs.

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Originally by: Ruze

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It's creeps like some of the trolls here who are responsible for our societies current state of affairs.

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we're part of the jew consipracy go start a militia over it

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Originally by: McBrite

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Disturbing? I not only call it disturbing, I call it ******* insane!!!

NO 11 year old girl needs to know how to field-strip ANY assault rifle...

I'd never have thought that you'd have to expain that fact to anybody.

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Originally by: Ruze

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Did you miss the 'there's nothing sexual about kids' part?

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Originally by: Ruze

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By the way, I don't appreciate your racists comments. Please keep them out of the forums.

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Very impressive. This would also be awesome if it was an eleven year boy by the way.


Slade

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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we're part of the jew consipracy go start a militia over it

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.

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It's understandable for you to think that since your kind tend to be afraid of your own shadow, so much to the point that your even banning knives as they are horrible weapons of destruction.

But as you can see even an 11 yo girl does not fear the firearm. She understands it and it's capabilities and accepts responsibility for it. She learned about it and how to properly use it.

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Originally by: Ruze

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Did you miss the 'there's nothing sexual about kids' part?

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my bad, so its just a girl playing with a gun, no sexual stuff, oh wait that's still ****ed up

Originally by: Ruze

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By the way, I don't appreciate your racists comments. Please keep them out of the forums.

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what racist comments? are gun nut survivalists a race now?

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Quote:

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Oh the classic "if you don't get horny when you see a gun, you must be a wimp!" reply. The simple truth is that guns like AR-15 are made for killing people and I can guarantee you that no 11 year old can fully grasp that concept. And just to prove that your stereotypes don¦t have anything to do with the reality; I¦ve used weapons much heavier than that AR-15.

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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we're part of the jew consipracy go start a militia over it

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Aaaand reported. I warned you already Ren.

I'd also ask everyone else to report Ren Surkova. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with me personally, Ren's trolling has gone too far.

Ren, I've asked the mods to clear this thread of your comments, and to consider a forum vacation for you. I don't know if they will do it, but you've certainly earned it.

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.

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Well we think not. It takes many to make the world go round.

Teach them young and you teach them responsibility. Typically the people shooting others in the States have not taken a gun safety or hunting safety course. This girl probably has.


Slade

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Originally by: Amoxin

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My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...

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Originally by: fairimear

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Not hugely impressive tbh.
Consider that the mind of a 11 year old is far more suited to leaning this and is far better at remembering the required order.
Its not at all surprising the shock value is related to the fact that it's a weapon but to be frank she's no more impressive doing that opposed to solving a rubix cube.

I would speculate that her nimble and small hands would be helpful to.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.

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It's understandable for you to think that since your kind tend to be afraid of your own shadow, so much to the point that your even banning knives as they are horrible weapons of destruction.

But as you can see even an 11 yo girl does not fear the firearm. She understands it and it's capabilities and accepts responsibility for it. She learned about it and how to properly use it.

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Originally by: Ruze

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The 'jew conspiracy' comment was entirely racist, and religious hate as well.

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Originally by: Zilkin

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Oh the classic "if you don't get horny when you see a gun, you must be a wimp!" reply. The simple truth is that guns like AR-15 are made for killing people and I can guarantee you that no 11 year old can fully grasp that concept. And just to prove that your stereotypes don¦t have anything to do with the reality; I¦ve used weapons much heavier than that AR-15.

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Originally by: Kephael

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Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 20:44:43
Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 20:44:06

Quote:

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Oh the classic "if you don't get horny when you see a gun, you must be a wimp!" reply. The simple truth is that guns like AR-15 are made for killing people and I can guarantee you that no 11 year old can fully grasp that concept. And just to prove that your stereotypes don¦t have anything to do with the reality; I¦ve used weapons much heavier than that AR-15.

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None of my guns have hurt anyone but me, I've had some hot, spent brass go down my shirt a few times. The AR-15 is an excellent, modern gun for target shooting and hunting, I intend to purchase an Armalite AR-10 for long range shooting and maybe to start hunting. Considering firearms like the AR-15 were used in less than one percent of firearms related crimes prior to the 1994 ban, I'd say they're less dangerous than say a concealable revolver. You can spot the man carrying a rifle a mile away, but the pistol in a pocket is not so easy to see.

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Originally by: Ruze

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The 'jew conspiracy' comment was entirely racist, and religious hate as well.

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o knows nothing of responsibility,

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o knows nothing of responsibility, let alone able to understand what the thing does or 'is capable of'. Dont act like you have the moral high ground because you don't.

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Originally by: Overseer Aliena

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o knows nothing of responsibility,

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I pity your children, they lack the parents teachings of how to be responsible. It's no wonder you have so many youth getting in trouble.

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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Whilst this is seemingly normal, and dare I say it 'encouraged' behaviour in America; the other 3/4 of the world finds it deeply deeply disturbing.

11yo kids running around with assault rifles, assault rifles with a Hello Kitty paintjob, and the potential pedobear connotations for the two are quite wrong.

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Originally by: Evanade

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Originally by: Overseer Aliena

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o knows nothing of responsibility,

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I pity your children, they lack the parents teachings of how to be responsible. It's no wonder you have so many youth getting in trouble.

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I have no kids, but

- responsibility in keeping her room tidy and behaving nice at school? check
- responsibility over life and death? not quite its kind of a different league than what an 11y/o deals with in daily life. children know nothing of that, why do you think child soldiers are so popular a tool among african warlords? they kill without remorse and without hesitation..

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Back up and going? I thought this got the ban and delete double whack


Slade

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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Whilst this is seemingly normal, and dare I say it 'encouraged' behaviour in America; the other 3/4 of the world finds it deeply deeply disturbing.

11yo kids running around with assault rifles, assault rifles with a Hello Kitty paintjob, and the potential pedobear connotations for the two are quite wrong.

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Originally by: Sodium Phosphate

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Back up and going? I thought this got the ban and delete double whack


Slade

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same here, looks like it just got cleaned up a bit tho.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15
Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.

Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15
Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.

Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.

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Originally by: Sharupak

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TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.

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Originally by: Sharupak

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TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Sharupak

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TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15
Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.

Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.

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How? I had my hunter ed training at 10 and received my first rifle (marlyn bolt action .22 long rifle)

This is something she enjoys doing. She looks like she was having fun. Is it wrong to have fun? If her daddy showed her how to install a supercharger on a car and she enjoyed it, would it still be wrong? Or will this automatically revert back to guns are bad?

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Originally by: Rawrior

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.22 =/= ar15

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Originally by: Sodium Phosphate

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Originally by: Rawrior

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.22 =/= ar15

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So? Both are firearms, both are deadly.

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Originally by: Rawrior

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.22 =/= ar15

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Rawrior

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.22 =/= ar15

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Did you know 2 things?:

1. The .223 is not much bigger than a .22 round
2. .22 rounds are untraceable. They shred upon impact instead of remaining relatively whole. The fragments do not yield the scoring that larger weapons leave on bullets. Not to say it's impossible to trace though as you would still have powder residue on your person and clothing as well as within the gun.

On top of that as mentioned a gun is a gun is a gun.

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Originally by: Sharupak

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TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.

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Originally by: Gojyu

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Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20

Originally by: Sharupak

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TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.

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Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea
Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea

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Originally by: Gojyu

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Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20

Originally by: Sharupak

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TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.

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Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea
Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Gojyu

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Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20

Originally by: Sharupak

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TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.

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Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea
Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea

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Never let a chance to spout anti-American bigotry pass you by, eh Gojyu?

I hope you never try anything untoward with a woman trained like this young lady was. Then again, maybe you SHOULD. The beating you'll receive may jar awake a few brain cells.

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Originally by: Gojyu

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I'm actually pro america, it's one of the greatest countries in the world. However, it has its flaws, one of which being a propensity for american school children to shoot each other. Given that this problem doesn't exist to anywhere near the same level in the rest of the world, even in countries with looser gun control than the US, there's nothing wrong with questioning the causes of this problem, and nothing wrong with suggesting that until we figure out the cause of this problem, teaching each and every child, no matter attitude, mental issues or aggressiveness how to use a firearm is possibly a bad idea

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Originally by: Ruze

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Actually, if you dig into the writings of those same founding fathers, home defense was rarely spoken of. The Right to Bear Arms was put in place to allow the American people the means to overthrow their government, should it ever become tyrannic (lets not forget that these gentlemen just got through with a revolution of their own, and could recognize that no government was perfect and free of the transition of tyranny).

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Originally by: Sodium Phosphate

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To say that they do it without remorse is pretty heartless.

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It takes more than combat gear to make a man
It takes more than a license to own a gun

Originally by: Gojyu

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Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20

Originally by: Sharupak

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TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.

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Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea
Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea

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Originally by: Reven Cordelle

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Christ, its like Gunslinger Girl.

Any kid can do any task if they're mentally conditioned for it.

You could probably teach an 11 year old how to strip and rebuild a V8 if you could be bothered to teach them.

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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

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Reported, you lot cant handle even a little bit of controversy.

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 03/09/2008 00:50:08

Originally by: Kaeten

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Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15
Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.

Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.

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Learning to shoot a gun includes how to take care of said weapon so it functions properly. That also includes cleaning and replacing parts when they malfunction. This girl just happens to want to do it as fast as possible which is a sign of proficiency.

Would you not teach your kids how to change a flat tire on a car if you taught them how to drive it?

Slade

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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Originally by: Ruze

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Actually, if you dig into the writings of those same founding fathers, home defense was rarely spoken of. The Right to Bear Arms was put in place to allow the American people the means to overthrow their government, should it ever become tyrannic (lets not forget that these gentlemen just got through with a revolution of their own, and could recognize that no government was perfect and free of the transition of tyranny).

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Originally by: Kye Kenshin

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This thread is just a case of culture clash between Western Europe and USA. I personally find it disturbing but in the context of the USA I can understand how this is acceptable and normal. If I was born in the USA I'd probably be pro gun too.

Originally by: Ruze

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Actually, if you dig into the writings of those same founding fathers, home defense was rarely spoken of. The Right to Bear Arms was put in place to allow the American people the means to overthrow their government, should it ever become tyrannic (lets not forget that these gentlemen just got through with a revolution of their own, and could recognize that no government was perfect and free of the transition of tyranny).

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Shame this would never happen though.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 03/09/2008 00:50:08

Originally by: Kaeten

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Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15
Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.

Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.

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Learning to shoot a gun includes how to take care of said weapon so it functions properly. That also includes cleaning and replacing parts when they malfunction. This girl just happens to want to do it as fast as possible which is a sign of proficiency.

Would you not teach your kids how to change a flat tire on a car if you taught them how to drive it?

Slade

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Originally by: Evanade

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11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.

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Well we think not. It takes many to make the world go round.

Teach them young and you teach them responsibility. Typically the people shooting others in the States have not taken a gun safety or hunting safety course. This girl probably has.


Slade

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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???

Oooookaaaayyy.....

You're a troll. Congrats.

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yeah if anyone claims to be disturbed by this they must be a troll

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You find a young girl taught the proper use, safety, and field strip techniques of firearms to be "disturbing"? Seems to me that learning how to properly use and respect firearms is preferable to quaking in the corner with fear about them.

This girl is obviously smart, focused, and dedicated to learn such a difficult skill at so young an age. I suspect that she will grow up to be a strong, independent and powerful woman someday. I have nothing but respect for a young person like this.

It's too bad you just don't get it.

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Originally by: Technomagez

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Well, it surely doesn't promote peace on earth...

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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As far as I've seen China, Russia, The middle east, Africa, South and Central America, all have no issue with it

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Originally by: Ruze

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But what does? No matter how nice and polite you are, how well meaning and sinless you aim to be, you can NOT stop someone else from taking advantage. So why willingly choose to be a victim?

Be responsible, gain the knowledge and the means to protect yourself, and use it fairly. Because no amount of peaceful protests will stop the aggressive actions of those who don't care about you or your opinion.

Man, EvE is a perfect example of this, and I wonder how people are still so naive. You can attack someone anywhere in EvE, and there will ALWAYS be people who will prey on those who are too foolish or too naive to protect themselves. You are their intended target, BECAUSE your so nice and friendly!

Cops can't stop it, laws can't stop it, nothing can stop it ... accept you.

Countries where gun laws remove the average citizens right to own firearms (or knives and whatnot, as some do), don't have lower crime rates. They'll quote you lower rates on shootings, etc, but even these still happen.

But you better believe the crime and personal attacks still happen. And check the trend yourself.

It only gets worse!




Those who advocate gun control in the States are following a twisted sort of logic. Sure, let's ban guns. And to keep that mentality in mind, lets disarm and ban the military's as well. How long would America last on the world seen then? Hell, even Canada might invade at that point

Gun laws allow citizens to protect themselves from other citizens who wish to do them harm, and from a government that is willing to pander on the rights of it's citizens in order to guarantee the safety of the government.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Found a couple of good examples of people trying to remove guns due to their fear and lack of knowledge about.

Whats a Barrel shroud?

Heat seeking rounds OMG!!!!

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Ruze

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But what does? No matter how nice and polite you are, how well meaning and sinless you aim to be, you can NOT stop someone else from taking advantage. So why willingly choose to be a victim?

Be responsible, gain the knowledge and the means to protect yourself, and use it fairly. Because no amount of peaceful protests will stop the aggressive actions of those who don't care about you or your opinion.

Man, EvE is a perfect example of this, and I wonder how people are still so naive. You can attack someone anywhere in EvE, and there will ALWAYS be people who will prey on those who are too foolish or too naive to protect themselves. You are their intended target, BECAUSE your so nice and friendly!

Cops can't stop it, laws can't stop it, nothing can stop it ... accept you.

Countries where gun laws remove the average citizens right to own firearms (or knives and whatnot, as some do), don't have lower crime rates. They'll quote you lower rates on shootings, etc, but even these still happen.

But you better believe the crime and personal attacks still happen. And check the trend yourself.

It only gets worse!




Those who advocate gun control in the States are following a twisted sort of logic. Sure, let's ban guns. And to keep that mentality in mind, lets disarm and ban the military's as well. How long would America last on the world seen then? Hell, even Canada might invade at that point

Gun laws allow citizens to protect themselves from other citizens who wish to do them harm, and from a government that is willing to pander on the rights of it's citizens in order to guarantee the safety of the government.

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Short form of the above: PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.

Works for governments, works for people. You don't go looking for fights, but you better darn well be prepared for the ones that will inevitably come your way, no matter HOW nice a guy/gal you are.

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Originally by: Technomagez

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There is no peace through strength, it'd rather be peace through fear which is a doubtful thing.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun

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Originally by: Technomagez

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There is no peace through strength, it'd rather be peace through fear which is a doubtful thing.

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Originally by: Ruze

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Originally by: Technomagez

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There is no peace through strength, it'd rather be peace through fear which is a doubtful thing.

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How is peace achieved, then?

Every peaceful civilization I've ever heard of has been brutally victimized by others.

While the individual human being may change his nature and act peacefully, to expect every other person and every other civilization to do so is pure foolishness.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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she's good for her age, but the real question to cut through all the BS here is just how much of the responsibility can an 11 year old understand

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Technomagez

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There is no peace through strength, it'd rather be peace through fear which is a doubtful thing.

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It's sad how naive you are.

Obviously, I have no idea how old you are, and I won't make any suppositions, but your opinion is much like ones I hear from HS and college kids who's heads have been filled with far leftist tripe.

Perhaps a simple analogy will help you understand:

Imagine you are a normal Grade School kid. In your class you have a bully. How do you deal with him?

You have two basic choices: Appeasement, and Opposition. (There is NO middle ground when dealing with a Bully.)

Many kids choose to appease the Bully. "He's not really a bad guy, just misunderstood. If I'm just nice to him, he'll be nice to me." they figure. They are wrong. Indeed, the kids that capitulate the fastest get beat up again the quickest. They have marked themselves as weak, easy targets, and the Bully will relish attacking them again.

You however, choose Opposition. To stand up to the Bully. You are a bit smaller, and a bit weaker than him, but you have a go at it anyway. The bully, so shocked that someone actually stood up to him, backs off initially, but soon comes back even harder. Again, you have a choice. Capitulate, and encourage his attacks, or hit the gym after school and work out. Bulk up. Take a Martial Arts class and learn to deal with threats larger than you. In other words, Get Stronger.

The next time the Bully goes after you, you are ready for him. You beat him senseless and crying. The Bully stops coming after you. He knows you are a Hard Target, and leaves you alone. Soon, you will find that other small kids are running to you for protection. Initially this causes a few fights, as the bully may not have completely gotten the message. But eventually, the bully begins to leave ALL the kids alone, because he knows that you are there, and that he can't beat you. From then on school is a better place and everyone, even the bully, does better.

This is much the way that international politics works. It's the schoolyard on a global scale. Unfortunately, there is no teacher to come stop the fights.

This is why the concept of "Peace Through Strength" works. If you are strong enough, and tough enough, the bullies of the world leave you alone. They are essentially cowards who only want soft targets. If you make yourself a Hard Target, they won't want to take the beating they are likely to endure from you, and will back down quickly. This allows all the smaller, weaker nations who are your allies to prosper, free from the threat that the Bully nation want to impose.

I hope that helped explain how it works. It's a simple concept, but often times the simplest concepts are the ones most effective at dealing with complex problems.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Found a couple of good examples of people trying to remove guns due to their fear and lack of knowledge about.

Whats a Barrel shroud?

Heat seeking rounds OMG!!!!

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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In what aspect?

Mechanical Aptitude?
Safety?
Training?

Please, explain.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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In what aspect?

Mechanical Aptitude?
Safety?
Training?

Please, explain.

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transportation vehicle vs. a machine designed to kill ppl

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Originally by: Ruze

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Countries where gun laws remove the average citizens right to own firearms (or knives and whatnot, as some do), don't have lower crime rates. They'll quote you lower rates on shootings, etc, but even these still happen.

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Originally by: Ruze

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ure, let's ban guns. And to keep that mentality in mind, lets disarm and ban the military's as well.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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In what aspect?

Mechanical Aptitude?
Safety?
Training?

Please, explain.

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transportation vehicle vs. a machine designed to kill ppl

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: KingsGambit

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Originally by: Ruze

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Countries where gun laws remove the average citizens right to own firearms (or knives and whatnot, as some do), don't have lower crime rates. They'll quote you lower rates on shootings, etc, but even these still happen.

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Still happen yes, but nowhere near the scale you seem to quote. Check your facts. The only other fact I can offer is that those like you who believe private citizens should have the right to carry firearms and those like me who do not will never change our opinions. That is one reason I am glad to be in the UK. If Americans want to shoot themselves and allow their children to do the same, go right ahead, the rest of the world won't stop you. I do not mean to offend or generalise but statements like yours really get my back up.

Originally by: Ruze

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ure, let's ban guns. And to keep that mentality in mind, lets disarm and ban the military's as well.

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No, there is a huge difference between disarming the average citizen and the military. The military is the nation's defence force and needs to be armed to deter and combat others. The private citizen does not need to kill other people. Giving them guns encourages armed robbery, intimidation, muggings and so on. That is not to say they don't happen everywhere else, but without guns in the mix there are a lot less of them, and a lot less deaths when they do.

The people benefitting from your right to bear arms are the arms manufacturers. They're more than happy to buy off politicians to ensure they can continue to puts guns into the hands of every private citizen to make money.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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In what aspect?

Mechanical Aptitude?
Safety?
Training?

Please, explain.

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transportation vehicle vs. a machine designed to kill ppl

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 08/09/2008 15:31:43

Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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In what aspect?

Mechanical Aptitude?
Safety?
Training?

Please, explain.

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transportation vehicle vs. a machine designed to kill ppl

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Oh I forgot, cars are compeltely safe......

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Originally by: Death4free

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silly americans

if you want to take it like that then im removing all the glass in your house all the wood all the cutelry all electronics and such

cars arent specifically designed to cause harm and its just idiot drivers that are responsible for accidents

however guns are designed in mind to hurt humans or animals and teaching a kid at that age to field strip a rifle which is almost certainly not goin to be useful for the next 10 years minimum is just plain wierd

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Like I said, I must be doing something wrong because I have fired several thousand rounds from my guns and have yet to harm a human. Now my vehicle on the other hand....

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Death4free

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silly americans

if you want to take it like that then im removing all the glass in your house all the wood all the cutelry all electronics and such

cars arent specifically designed to cause harm and its just idiot drivers that are responsible for accidents

however guns are designed in mind to hurt humans or animals and teaching a kid at that age to field strip a rifle which is almost certainly not goin to be useful for the next 10 years minimum is just plain wierd

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Like I said, I must be doing something wrong because I have fired several thousand rounds from my guns and have yet to harm a human. Now my vehicle on the other hand....

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Originally by: Slade Trillgon

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Like I said, I must be doing something wrong because I have fired several thousand rounds from my guns and have yet to harm a human. Now my vehicle on the other hand....

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I would say that a majority of gun owners in the US can agree with MD's statement above. I was taught how to fire certain guns at a young age and by the age of 11 I had earned enough money from cutting grass, collecting aluminum cans after my soccer games, and odd and end jobs for the elderly people in my neighborhood to buy my first rifle.

By the age of 11 not only did I understand the responsibilty of a gun, I also had a firm understanding of their lethality, and new how to strip all my fathers and grandfathers guns and put them through a solid cleaning. I killed my first deer, illegally, the fall before I turned 11, and had been shooting small game for a year before that. So keep not owning guns and if/when shit hits the fan don't start crying for mercy, because you already had the chance to prepare yourselves.


Slade

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Originally by: Death4free

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good for you.....

however the fact that anyone with half a brain can get their hands on a gun in america is stupidly scary

oh and the girl in question cant drive legaly till shes 21 or w/e age over there so

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 08/09/2008 17:56:13

Originally by: Death4free

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good for you.....

however the fact that anyone with half a brain can get their hands on a gun in america is stupidly scary

oh and the girl in question cant drive legaly till shes 21 or w/e age over there so

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Drivers permit can be attained at 15.

Your sidestepping the point which a ton of people have been doing in this thread. They say she doesn't acknowledge the responsibility of a firearm which is not true. I would trust her with that assault rifle a whole lot more than some street thug who got his hands on a pistol.

All of my friends have had training and our stats to date are:
Me - vehicle accidents 5 firearm accidents 0
My father (AF MP and police officer)- Vehicle accidents 3 firearm accidents 0
My friend Nate - Has been through 8 cars, Gun accidents - 0
His brother Jay - Marine for 8 years, car accidents - 3 firearm accidents - 0
My friend Mike - Car accidents 1 where he lost his father, his mother was severly crippled, him and his sister had to be removed via jaws of life, firearm accidents - 0

See a trend forming? We've all had gun safety training. We know how to use a firearm. The little girl has had gun safety training. She knows how to use a firearm. As for the cars you have to take in other peoples ability to drive. Your sure as hell not gonna end up at a firing range and worry about somebody popping a cap in your ass.

I know that the media likes to impose scare tactics. I know you read about school shootings and what not. Seriously, reading about average Joe who went out and shot a few guns at a range and nothing happening is rather dull news dontcha think? But it happens every day.

You call it bad, but I call it excellent parenting skills. She knows gun safety, and chances are her gun incidents will most lkely remain at 0

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Originally by: Death4free

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your side stepping the point by trying 2 make it look like cars are alot more dangerous

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Originally by: Death4free

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people (most of the time) dont step into cars with the aim of training up for damging other ppl in the future)

people go down to the firing range to practise their gun skills so they can kill people easier

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Originally by: Death4free

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now alls it needs is for some idiot to get hold of a gun and bam..... dead person

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Originally by: Death4free

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fair enough cars can be used as weapons but its alot easier to get out the way of a car compared to say avoiding being shot in the face....

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Originally by: Death4free

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the fact that an 11 year old knows how to use a gun is just stupid since

a) she could get bullied by someone nasty at school and solve the problem with.....a gun
b) she could get into an emotional situation where she gets so depressed she goes on a rampage (see every school shooting ever)

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 08/09/2008 18:20:00

I'm pointing out that a vehicle can be just as dangerous, not more dangerous.


people go down to the firing range to practise their gun skills so they can kill people easier

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Originally by: Death4free

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fair enough cars can be used as weapons but its alot easier to get out the way of a car compared to say avoiding being shot in the face....

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Originally by: Death4free

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the fact that an 11 year old knows how to use a gun is just stupid since

a) she could get bullied by someone nasty at school and solve the problem with.....a gun
b) she could get into an emotional situation where she gets so depressed she goes on a rampage (see every school shooting ever)

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Originally by: Death4free

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 08/09/2008 15:31:43

Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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In what aspect?

Mechanical Aptitude?
Safety?
Training?

Please, explain.

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transportation vehicle vs. a machine designed to kill ppl

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Oh I forgot, cars are compeltely safe......

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silly americans

if you want to take it like that then im removing all the glass in your house all the wood all the cutelry all electronics and such

cars arent specifically designed to cause harm and its just idiot drivers that are responsible for accidents

however guns are designed in mind to hurt humans or animals and teaching a kid at that age to field strip a rifle which is almost certainly not goin to be useful for the next 10 years minimum is just plain wierd

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Death4free

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 08/09/2008 15:31:43

Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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In what aspect?

Mechanical Aptitude?
Safety?
Training?

Please, explain.

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transportation vehicle vs. a machine designed to kill ppl

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Oh I forgot, cars are compeltely safe......

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silly americans

if you want to take it like that then im removing all the glass in your house all the wood all the cutelry all electronics and such

cars arent specifically designed to cause harm and its just idiot drivers that are responsible for accidents

however guns are designed in mind to hurt humans or animals and teaching a kid at that age to field strip a rifle which is almost certainly not goin to be useful for the next 10 years minimum is just plain wierd

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yea this.

tbh if the rest of yous are so stupid to think that i actully thought "cars are safe and cannot run over and kill ppl" wtf man, lol. yea BAN everything.. as this guy said its DESIGNED TO KILL, the car ain't DESIGNED TO KILL..

Also about your eailer posts, I think it's a good idea to teach younger ppl about weapons but I said nowhere about field stripping them, I don't give a shit if you said "whats the point of learning about the weapon if you can't keep it clean", they SHOULDN'T have one in the FIRST PLACE.

man...

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Originally by: Death4free

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i lolled so hard at this

how many ppl do u think could duck and cover in the time it takes someone to walk up behind you in sayin a shopping mall whip out a pistol and blow their brains out.

ok and your just 1 person btw theres x hundred million americans dont try and pass yourself off as the majority. The fact is once again that anyone can get access to a gun in america and that just leads to people dying. It may be theres only afew school shooting for now but what about the future. What about the huge number of deatsh you get from gun voilence all over america.....

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Originally by: Death4free

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Death4free

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 08/09/2008 15:31:43

Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.

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In what aspect?

Mechanical Aptitude?
Safety?
Training?

Please, explain.

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transportation vehicle vs. a machine designed to kill ppl

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Oh I forgot, cars are compeltely safe......

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silly americans

if you want to take it like that then im removing all the glass in your house all the wood all the cutelry all electronics and such

cars arent specifically designed to cause harm and its just idiot drivers that are responsible for accidents

however guns are designed in mind to hurt humans or animals and teaching a kid at that age to field strip a rifle which is almost certainly not goin to be useful for the next 10 years minimum is just plain wierd

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yea this.

tbh if the rest of yous are so stupid to think that i actully thought "cars are safe and cannot run over and kill ppl" wtf man, lol. yea BAN everything.. as this guy said its DESIGNED TO KILL, the car ain't DESIGNED TO KILL..

Also about your eailer posts, I think it's a good idea to teach younger ppl about weapons but I said nowhere about field stripping them, I don't give a shit if you said "whats the point of learning about the weapon if you can't keep it clean", they SHOULDN'T have one in the FIRST PLACE.

man...

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indeed theres absoloutely no need for a 11 year old to know how to field strip or use a rifle.....or maybe there is

*bell rings* ok everyone into class its time for lessons

ok quick pop quiz who knows how to field strip and use a rifle......if u dont get this right youl fail your life and follow a downspiral of drug abuse and eventual suicide.....

wait wha...

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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And again, according to your logic I should be in prison atm. Guns do not equal people dieing.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Death4free

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i lolled so hard at this

how many ppl do u think could duck and cover in the time it takes someone to walk up behind you in sayin a shopping mall whip out a pistol and blow their brains out.

ok and your just 1 person btw theres x hundred million americans dont try and pass yourself off as the majority. The fact is once again that anyone can get access to a gun in america and that just leads to people dying. It may be theres only afew school shooting for now but what about the future. What about the huge number of deatsh you get from gun voilence all over america.....

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Recent shooting in a mall in Utah. Maybe a couple of hundred people in the mall. Shooter got 13 including himself. So that's a couple hundred minus 13 who ducked and covered. Now how many people react when they see that car at the last second? See, I can do it too.

Current population of the US - 301,139,947 (2007 statistic). Quite a few million people who have guns is quite a modest reply.

I'd hate to tell you but anyone, anywhere can get their hands on a gun of you look hard enough. YOU may be restricted from getting one because your a law abiding citizen, but I can assure you a trip to the docks with some shady characters and a few hundred in your pocket will score you a .45. Your fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

And again, according to your logic I should be in prison atm. Guns do not equal people dieing.

Post more ignorance please.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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And again, according to your logic I should be in prison atm. Guns do not equal people dieing.

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Well i drive cars, Should i be in prison? As you said.. driving a car is also dangerous...

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Originally by: Death4free

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yes but id have to go out of my way to get a gun and atleast i could be arrested for owning a gun (even though our police are shite)

whereas u can decide on a whim to pop down to a shop and buy a gun which is just ....confoundly stupid

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Originally by: Death4free

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And the 13 killed in that shopping mall were prolly only 13 cause the guy ran outa ammo or just killed himself b4 emptying his clip if hed just walked in with several guns i cant imagine the death toll woulda been so low

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Originally by: Death4free

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srsly thats just messed up. The whole idea of owning a weapon capable of killing other people cause some idiots 200 years ago said so despite the conditions being much different then (occupying armies guns being teh suck etc etc) just shows how stubborn you are to change (neesecary change) and how frail your idea of need is. You wouldnt need a gun to defend yourself against other people with guns if you didnt all have access to guns in the first place. Admittedly gangsters still have guns but then if the police had guns atleast theyd b less of a problem.

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Originally by: Death4free

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Also this has gone way of track and md seems to just be overlooking the original backplot to this which was why the hell is a 11 year old being taught how to fire a gun when she should be enjoying life and not being taught how to kill communists

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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And again, according to your logic I should be in prison atm. Guns do not equal people dieing.

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Well i drive cars, Should i be in prison? As you said.. driving a car is also dangerous...

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That's the point I've been trying to get across for several pages now. Not everyone in a vehicle is dangerous, and not everyone with a gun is dangerous. Poor Death though seems to think otherwise because of controlled media and guns r bad brainwashing.

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Originally by: Death4free

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You dont need guns but you have them anyway because of some idiotic belief that if evereyone has guns then no ones guna shoot anyone else

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Death4free

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You dont need guns but you have them anyway because of some idiotic belief that if evereyone has guns then no ones guna shoot anyone else

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Say that to the swiss.

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Originally by: Death4free

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yes but then thats the swiss not americans

i think that there are a few countires where this would work examples being

germany....possibly france.....and switzerland obv

countries where it wouldnt work

russia...uk......usa obviousely....

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Death4free

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yes but then thats the swiss not americans

i think that there are a few countires where this would work examples being

germany....possibly france.....and switzerland obv

countries where it wouldnt work

russia...uk......usa obviousely....

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So now we're picking and choosing which countries it will work in?

/sigh.

You get this impession that we're a nation under seige and we have massive block wars and you couldn't be further from the truth. I've been to LA, SF, Pheonix, Tuscon, Vegas, Chicago, And everything in between and yet here I stand, not riddled with holes and never once felt like I was in danger. Your views are grossly misinterpreted.

A thief once said in a documentary that if he knew that a house had a gun in it, he wouldn't even bother.

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Originally by: Death4free

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Yes we do have knife crime but then we need knifes for cutting food 0_O and all sortsa other crap. You dont need guns but you have them anyway because of some idiotic belief that if evereyone has guns then no ones guna shoot anyone else

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Originally by: Death4free

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well if you didnt feel like you were in any danger why do you feel the need to carry a gun around for protection?

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Originally by: Amandin Adouin

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Oooh... I've been staying away from this topic because it's a really difficult one. There's no easy answer, one way or the other.

First off, I live in South Florida. I have felt unsafe countless times. My mom got a bullet in her car windshield when I was a kid (we were not driving through a ghetto). A middle school teacher got shot and killed a few years after I had graduated - Barry Brunow. I've had a gun pulled on me. I'm a girl.

That said, if we just outright ban guns, there are still going to be some lying around. The ganster guys will still get them. Anyone who had underworld connections would still get them. But not those who wanted to keep safe from said underworld. Doing the 6 month thing may cut down on gun suicides slightly, but there would be an increase in different suicide methods. It is far easiy to commit suicide through carbon monoxide poisoning than pulling a trigger.

On the other side of the coin, my ex-'s mother committed suicide a few years ago by shooting herself in the head in a period of manicness. If she wouldn't have had access to a gun, I know she would still be alive. If my ex had a gun, said ex would be dead now, and possibly, so would I.

I'm not going to endorse either side too much. But I will say that I think the resolution lies somewhere in the middle - not outright banning all guns, and not letting anyone have access to them within 7 days or whatever it is. Maybe a 6 month waiting period, with a certificate needed from a psychiatrist? I know it sounds extreme, but ... even if it saved one life I would think it worth it.

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Originally by: Death4free

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well if you didnt feel like you were in any danger why do you feel the need to carry a gun around for protection?

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Originally by: Kephael

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Originally by: Amandin Adouin

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On the other side of the coin, my ex-'s mother committed suicide a few years ago by shooting herself in the head in a period of manicness. If she wouldn't have had access to a gun, I know she would still be alive. If my ex had a gun, said ex would be dead now, and possibly, so would I.

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Originally by: Amandin Adouin

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Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 08/09/2008 20:19:03

Originally by: Kephael

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I'd like to hear you say that after your mother committed suicide with a gun.
The fact is that a gunshot wound to the head is the easiest way to do the trick fully. Even if she had access to other methods, it wouldn't have been quite that easy and quick to do it any other way. Honestly, she did try with other methods and didn't succeed. It just took one second with a gun though to end it all.

And yeah, I don't fully understand all the waiting periods and everything, and I don't really care.

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Originally by: Kephael

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I had a grandfather killed by a drunk driver, is his death any different than your mothers? While both are tragic death is death.

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