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Misanth Viziam	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:33:00 - [31] 0/10. Way too obvious, not very creative, annoyance factor not even enough to give a ranty reply (already missing a sure +1 there).
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.03 08:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Delnarai … an upprotected mining barge … even left only 2 low slots on the biggest mining barge so only 2 cargo extensions can be added. Spotted your problem.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.09.03 09:00:00 - [33] I msut be doing something wrong 'cause i've never lost a miner yet My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.09.03 09:23:00 - [34] OP is a failpost. Mostly covered above on why. And whining about other players not doing exactly what you like? GASP! They are people, for the most part, more articulate than you, and who are not nearly as whiny. --- Wheel of Whineage
Jastra Gallente Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 09:54:00 - [35] my no longer zooming solar system map disproves your point.
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 09:57:00 - [36] OMG guys look! A miner ... ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Neamus	Posted - 2008.09.03 10:48:00 - [37] I want a barge with 12 high slots.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2008.09.03 10:49:00 - [38] failtroll is fail Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
TerrorBaBy Nearly Feared	Posted - 2008.09.03 10:55:00 - [39] Edited by: TerrorBaBy on 03/09/2008 10:55:53 THE SKY IS FALLING! p.s. Mining barges are supposed to be vulnerable. Make some friends and get them to look after you/rat in the same system . I mean I know the media stereotype gamers as socially incompatible neanderthals, but you don't have to take the ** now do you? 'Shit' is allowed but '' (begins with 'p') isn't? _______________ Originally by:** Constance Harme It's like willfully getting into a car full of strangers and then being driven out to the woods and being shot.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.03 10:58:00 - [40] You clearly missed the latest dev interview where they said that the next major patch around December time, codenamed Midas, would be entirely devoted to industry and mining. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects

Sweet Rosella 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:06:00 - [41] OP can you contract your stuff to me please
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Astria Tiphareth You clearly missed the latest dev interview where they said that the next major patch around December time, codenamed Midas, would be entirely devoted to industry and mining. Really? That's great news if true. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Terrante Tech Holdings Limited	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:33:00 - [43] here
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Moirae Arachnea The cold harsh world you love is still cold and harsh... the difference is, the cold and harsh just landed on you as well. QFT!
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Astria Tiphareth You clearly missed the latest dev interview where they said that the next major patch around 2090, codenamed Midas, would be entirely devoted to industry and mining. fixed. We've been down that road before. What we got was T2 barges with only enough to tank a 0.4 rat spawn and not a great deal more once the essential stuff for mining is fitted. I'm not talking about mining upgrades etc, just the T2 lasers and a tank. If you can fit a respectable tank on it then you obviously have uber combat skills but the average industrialist doesn't train those until after the industrial skills. Now consider how many industrial skills there are just for mining/refining alone to get the best from a yield and you're looking at a three year wait before a miner can fit a tank worth shit. Then we have the uber slow gank target although I believe they renamed it to the freighter to hide the obvious. This is a ship with "GANK ME" written all over it in big bold italic letters. It's huge, painfully slow, warps at walking speed and has all the agility of the average housebrick. It has no offensive capability and no defensive capability making it a magnet for every suicide ganker in the universe. This is a ship designed to move huge amounts and even a full cargo of the cheapest item (tritanium) 78 million units, means a 250+ million isk haul. What's the point in having a ship that size if you don't fill it up? You may as well use a Transport ship for smaller amounts. This is a ship that can't even fit a single shield booster for defence so, no matter how many escorts you have, it is called primary and if Concord can't save one, your escort has no chance, say bye bye to 500 million isk of corp funds after insurance payout, (including the cost of insurance that is), and whatever cargo you were carrying, so that's in excess of a billion isk your corp has just lost in total. That brings me to Jump Freighters. Still big, still painfully slow and still all the agility of a housebrick and still no offence or defence but now with an added cyno beacon to notify everyone where it is. Finally, there's the Rorqual. Big, painfully slow, no offensive capability except a few drones that can be popped by anyone with a couple of SP. At least it has some form of defence though, maybe CCP are actually learning something. Yup, CCP really gave something to the industrialist... A huge target to paint on their backs. Honestly, nobody in their right mind would build a ship to fly in a combat zone that has no way to defend itself. Why would the denizens of Eve build a ship large enough to carry everything they owned and not even had a shield booster fitted on it? -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
Quincunx Minmatar Subspace Anomaly	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:41:00 - [46] It's somewhat strange that at the one moment people scream for "give us a patch that fixes bugs instead of introduce new content", yet at the other moment - when such a patch is released - it's called a useless patch. There you go: there's no pleasing the EVE community.
Yao Gallente Parental Control	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:44:00 - [47] a miner whining...im surprised...and what did that patch do to the most risk-less proffesion in eve?lowered their protection or something?jesus....
Mia Archer Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 12:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Dantes Revenge We've been down that road before. What we got was T2 barges with only enough to tank a 0.4 rat spawn and not a great deal more once the essential stuff for mining is fitted. I'm not talking about mining upgrades etc, just the T2 lasers and a tank. If you can fit a respectable tank on it then you obviously have uber combat skills but the average industrialist doesn't train those until after the industrial skills. Now consider how many industrial skills there are just for mining/refining alone to get the best from a yield and you're looking at a three year wait before a miner can fit a tank worth shit.t? Do you even play this game My hulk alt can tank 0.0 spawns and has almost no combat training and all you need is refinery eff 5 and 50% station and youve almost got 100% refine yield Originally by: Dantes Revenge Then we have the uber slow gank target although I believe they renamed it to the freighter to hide the obvious. This is a ship with "GANK ME" written all over it in big bold italic letters. It's huge, painfully slow, warps at walking speed and has all the agility of the average housebrick. It has no offensive capability and no defensive capability making it a magnet for every suicide ganker in the universe. This is a ship designed to move huge amounts and even a full cargo of the cheapest item (tritanium) 78 million units, means a 250+ million isk haul. What's the point in having a ship that size if you don't fill it up? You may as well use a Transport ship for smaller amounts. This is a ship that can't even fit a single shield booster for defence so, no matter how many escorts you have, it is called primary and if Concord can't save one, your escort has no chance, say bye bye to 500 million isk of corp funds after insurance payout, (including the cost of insurance that is), and whatever cargo you were carrying, so that's in excess of a billion isk your corp has just lost in total. It takes so many ships to gank a freighter before concord pops you that this almost NEVER happens the hp buffer is huge even if its non resisted, its extremly difficult to gank. They are only slightly less maneuverable than most caps, and are actualy extremely difficult to kill since you can basicaly insta-warp them by webbing them. Originally by: Dantes Revenge That brings me to Jump Freighters. Still big, still painfully slow and still all the agility of a housebrick and still no offence or defence but now with an added cyno beacon to notify everyone where it is. Jump freighters are incredibly more agile than freighters then anshar and nomad align faster than my carrier. Originally by: Dantes Revenge Finally, there's the Rorqual. Big, painfully slow, no offensive capability except a few drones that can be popped by anyone with a couple of SP. At least it has some form of defence though, maybe CCP are actually learning something. by that logic carriers have no offensive ability Originally by: Dantes Revenge Yup, CCP really gave something to the industrialist... A huge target to paint on their backs. Honestly, nobody in their right mind would build a ship to fly in a combat zone that has no way to defend itself. Why would the denizens of Eve build a ship large enough to carry everything they owned and not even had a shield booster fitted on it? so basicaly... your an idiot ____________________________________________
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.09.03 13:01:00 - [49] Just this week the British armed forces, with the help of their allies, had to transport a Chinese build hydro-electric power generator through Taliban held territory for over 150 miles. They used trucks that carried no guns, hardly any armour, which drove slowly, and apparently broke down several times. They also used about a hundred other vehicles, scouts, and air cover throughout the mission. Preceding it, different routes were scouted, and hundreds of hours of planning where done to get the generator safe at it's destination. Eventually, in a mission that lasted several days, they did it, and the generator is now being installed. Maybe this will teach you something. Something about using scouts. Doing some planning. Having escorts and backup. Performing sweeps and clearing out the enemy. But probably it will not. Probably you'll just whine harder and harder. All in the vain hope that you'll be able to do just the same in a freighter without the possibility of attack. Believe me, it will never happen. And EVE, and the vast majority of the players are very grateful for that. Now, march off to sickbay to get your discharge papers. You're not worthy of being an EVE player. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2008.09.03 14:37:00 - [50] Wow if you think mining is hard now you should have been here 5 yrs ago. Really give you something to cry over.

Ashlee Darksky Minmatar Forum Insurgency	Posted - 2008.09.03 15:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Clair Bear I feel stupider for having read this. You read it? Havo, what the hell are you doing hanging around in that corp and alliance? --- > I see fail everywhere, and it's like they don't even know they're failing > Bring me the heads of 10 carebears, 5 bottles of BBQ sauce, firewood and a box of matches!
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.03 15:58:00 - [52] What is it with idiots and their wall of text compulsive disorder? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
ThoRHammer6213 Gallente MINER's GUILD INC	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Moirae Arachnea Originally by: Ki An This patch serves PvP players? You realise that this patch screws over PVP players more than any previous patch, and that it give every stinking carebear close to 100% protection in high sec, right? I am doubting I would be considered a carebear. What this patch does do in one aspect of PvP (suicide ganking) is it takes your free lunch away from you and makes you have to plan, think, and work a bit harder for your lunch. I don't agree with everything done in the patch, but I do agree that the virtually no-risk suicide gank had to be eliminated and I have profited from it myself. When I can go up to any hualer and gank him in my fully insured ship, get all my insurance back, all his loot and fittings that dropped and still have really good standings, and be far richer with so little risk... something is broken. I think your upset because your free ride isn't free anymore. You have screamed many times in other threads that suicide ganking has been killed but it hasn't. You can still gank someone. The cold harsh world you love is still cold and harsh... the difference is, the cold and harsh just landed on you as well. Thats the truth of your whines. You wanted eve on easy mode for your ganks and now, it's not so easy anymore and you need to pick and choose a bit more discriminatly to make your fat profits. Your a sad sad individual. let me lay it out in easy mode for you.... 1. You used to gank with little or no consequences or cost. 2. You got fat and lazy from doing it, not to mention rich. 3. CCP ganked your "Ganking on Easy Mode" and made it a bit riskier for you now. 4. Your whining and trolling because your a fat lazy slob who got his easy ride taken away from him. 5. STFU and Adapt or Die ROFL!!! LOL!!!! You tell him! These ganker's are all moaning, wailing, and crying because ganking won't be as easy anymore. It's music to my eyes reading their whinings of woe! "I shall Dispense No MercY"
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Soporo Edited by: Soporo on 02/09/2008 23:34:12 I disagree that it's useless. A lot of bug fixes and other qol changes got meted out. Thanks for these devs. Quote: Droves of Macrominers are a crucial part of the game. Without it, there will be no resources to manufacture all the ammunitions consumed or to build the ships. Fixed. Though I agree that most if not all mining vessels have crap grid, weak tanks, are painfully slow and have limited drone space if at all. Mining as a profession has gone downhill due to the Drone regions, crap t1 rat drops, swarms of macrominers, and still crappy ships. The fact that people mine in Rohks and other BS has always, and still, highlights the need for a hazrd duty miner. Yup they mine in rokhs... and I kill the rokhs.
Syringe Morphine Inc	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:22:00 - [55] Originally by: DreadedHunter Didnt want to have to do this but here's the original post over multiple lines... Somebody get this dude a medal. Or a pizza. Or something. Thx --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question.
Elise Randolph Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:30:00 - [56] My Hulk is still majestic. ---------- I need a good sig, someone make one for me.
Complete Tart Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:40:00 - [57] Originally by: Moirae Arachnea Originally by: Ki An This patch serves PvP players? You realise that this patch screws over PVP players more than any previous patch, and that it give every stinking carebear close to 100% protection in high sec, right? I am doubting I would be considered a carebear. What this patch does do in one aspect of PvP (suicide ganking) is it takes your free lunch away from you and makes you have to plan, think, and work a bit harder for your lunch. I don't agree with everything done in the patch, but I do agree that the virtually no-risk suicide gank had to be eliminated and I have profited from it myself. When I can go up to any hualer and gank him in my fully insured ship, get all my insurance back, all his loot and fittings that dropped and still have really good standings, and be far richer with so little risk... something is broken. I think your upset because your free ride isn't free anymore. You have screamed many times in other threads that suicide ganking has been killed but it hasn't. You can still gank someone. The cold harsh world you love is still cold and harsh... the difference is, the cold and harsh just landed on you as well. Thats the truth of your whines. You wanted eve on easy mode for your ganks and now, it's not so easy anymore and you need to pick and choose a bit more discriminatly to make your fat profits. Your a sad sad individual. let me lay it out in easy mode for you.... 1. You used to gank with little or no consequences or cost. 2. You got fat and lazy from doing it, not to mention rich. 3. CCP ganked your "Ganking on Easy Mode" and made it a bit riskier for you now. 4. Your whining and trolling because your a fat lazy slob who got his easy ride taken away from him. 5. STFU and Adapt or Die Well said.
Madla Mafia Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:46:00 - [58] Mining........BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------ Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.


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