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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1499
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Posted - 2012.04.09 21:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:
We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase. [/list]. If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at. YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticThis question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments. Welcome to EVE -O
FTFY, YWIA
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1250
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Posted - 2012.04.09 22:01:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:
We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase. [/list]. If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at. YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticThis question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments.
Actually, the question wan't properly answered - personally, I don't mind if you just flatly reimburse all 4 BC skills to V with or without racial cruiser III bacause I have BC V and all races cruisers on V on all relevant characters.
As a matter of fact, however, I will end up with 6 million additional SP either way unless you decrease the skills ranks, which increases my jumpclone costs for no benefit at all. You know... morons. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1495
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Posted - 2012.04.09 22:04:00 -
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Arzaiuc wrote:Gogela wrote:LOL @ this thread! Nobody is reading the answers the dev linked! The answers are very vague and do as much as possible to answer nothing conclusively.
He gave a link to the options being considered.
A lot of discussion went on concerning it and linking it was actually the best possible reply. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.04.09 22:31:00 -
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The solution for me is two fold and simple..
First, BC and Destroyer skills should be split all 4 ways, everyone should get the racial version of all 4.. like it or not.
Second, you should in your training queue, be given the option to DELETE a skill, and all related SP. You don't get it back, to spend elsewhere, it's just gone. Poof.
That makes the people worried about their medclones happy. That makes the people worried about their skill page having one offs happy. That makes the people worried about their skips they might not be able to fly happy.
Everyone is happy. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1499
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:21:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
90
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:30:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. ITT: a bunch of dipshits who fail at critical thinking. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Alara IonStorm
1970
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:32:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote: Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.
-Liang
They really are trying. I sent an E-Mail asking about this then went outside for a Cigarette.
There was a plane sky writing above my house: If you could fly it before then you can fly it now. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
202
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:33:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. -Liang
They did say that, but also they said they were looking a two main options (ones they listed).
1) If you have destroyer V and BC V, you would get all the racial ones at 5.
2) Have destroyer at V and BC at V, plus all racial cruisers at III.
Both of the above does not means you can fly a Command ship for instance, but from what they've said you should get racial destroyer and BC all at V.
I'm training for option 2 (11 days left until I've completed it).
Problem is being able to fly and options 1 and 2 don't actually go together as the skill tree is atm, which is why people probably feel it's not clear how they're going to change it. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1010
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:34:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. ITT: a bunch of dipshits who fail at critical thinking.
Pretty much, although I'm unsure that we should go so far as pointing out that they fail at critical thinking....perhaps just plain thinking appears out of their league as well.
At the same time the ones who might actually be thinking properly still haven't clarified what it is they feel is lacking in the current answer so they get to get piled in with the rest of the idiots. The Drake is a Lie |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
90
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:42:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Pretty much, although I'm unsure that we should go so far as pointing out that they fail at critical thinking....perhaps just plain thinking appears out of their league as well.
At the same time the ones who might actually be thinking properly still haven't clarified what it is they feel is lacking in the current answer so they get to get piled in with the rest of the idiots. I tend to generalize while shitposting at the office in order to get actual work done. My apologies. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1252
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:59:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. -Liang
You're missing the entire point.
A thousand different answers are no answer at all.
And I don't want to be able to fly any ship I could sit in today at the cost of bloating my clone with 6 mill more SP with CCPs punishing clone cost policiies for loyal customers.
As a matter of fact, both of my PvP oriented characters would be perfect Drake pilots
- I trained all passive shield tanking skills to V for the Curse, which came in convenient when I switched to Winmatar.
- Trained all V missile skills for Khanid ships, Stealthbombers and some Minmatar fittings.
- Trained BC V (I used to fly Harbingers pre AC-boost and pre-nerf Myrms, then it was for the Cane).
- Trained Destroyers V for the Thrasher.
- Got Caldari ship skils solely for Guristas and Sansha ships.
Yet I've never flown a Caldari BC.
Considering Destroyers, I've never flown anything but a Thrasher (except a salvaging Catalyst and some throwaway dictors), so that will be 1.5 mill useless SP added for ships I could fly but never do.
Considering BCs, I'll get 4.5 mill additional SP for some ships I can perfectly fly skill-wise, but never do - (I hate Drakes and post-bandwidth Myrms are a joke).
So all that does is giving me 6 million SP and I can fly what i used to be able to fly (but don't want to fly - ever), increasing my clone costs for absolutely no benefit. You know... morons. |
Arzaiuc
The Screaming MONKJACKS GekkoState.
5
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:03:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. -Liang
You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May.
The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information". |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
202
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:09:00 -
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Arzaiuc wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. -Liang You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May. The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".
It looks like BCs won't be in April they might not even change in May.
Destroyers are less clear as originally they were lumped in with frigate and cruisers, but it seems it now just frigates and cruisers that are likely to change first.
But read the dev blog, the link is in this thread to pg 73 of the blog.
Edit: although they have talked about doing the racial change in one hit, which suggests destroyers will change at the same time as BCs, so it looks like people still have time to train them. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
92
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:14:00 -
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Arzaiuc wrote:The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information". Nowhere in this thread has a dev stated that the change will come in April. Do you honestly think CCP will completely overhaul frigates and destroyers before this month's pre-expansion? There will be plenty of warning from the Sisi crowd and from the devs before they implement these changes.
All indications point towards a post-May change, which gives you plenty of time to do the training you need.
You will not get a better timeframe than that because CCP has to balance ships first, and that takes time. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
14
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:05:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:
hahahahaha you didn't even click or read the link did you. you are total fail and you should never post again.
I did. It appears you omitted to read the phrases "it depends on how it is done" and "To remind it again, there are other options to consider".
All the answer says is that we may do this, we may do this other thing, or we may do something completely different. |
MEPH1ST0
DOUBLE IDENTITY BLACK-MARK
8
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:31:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:
We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase. [/list]. If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at. YarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunaticThis question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments.
Ok, am i missing something here because that dev blog says "We may just bluntly give all four variants at V if you had battlecruiser V ". Its says MAY, not will, but MAY. I currently have ALL sub capital ships skills at 5. So will i get ALL destroyers and ALL battlecruisers to 5 when this comes out?
Meph |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3295
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:40:00 -
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Arzaiuc wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. -Liang You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May. The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".
Given that Battlecruisers 5 gives you access to 20 ships, most of which are extremely good, the real question is why haven't you trained it already? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
50
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:12:00 -
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Having both Destroyer and Battle Cruiser to 5 as well as all racial Frigate and Cruiser skills to 5, I guess that I'll be good almost whatever happens. Not really worried about clone bloat -- past a certain SP limit it doesn't really matter.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:35:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. -Liang You're missing the entire point. A thousand different answers are no answer at all. And I don't want to be able to fly any ship I could sit in today at the cost of bloating my clone with 6 mill more SP with CCPs punishing clone cost policiies for loyal customers. As a matter of fact, both of my PvP oriented characters would be perfect Drake pilots - I trained all passive shield tanking skills to V for the Curse, which came in convenient when I switched to Winmatar. - Trained all V missile skills for Khanid ships, Stealthbombers and some Minmatar fittings. - Trained BC V (I used to fly Harbingers pre AC-boost and pre-nerf Myrms, then it was for the Cane). - Trained Destroyers V for the Thrasher. - Got Caldari ship skils solely for Guristas and Sansha ships. Yet I've never flown a Caldari BC. Considering Destroyers, I've never flown anything but a Thrasher (except a salvaging Catalyst and some throwaway dictors), so that will be 1.5 mill useless SP added for ships I could fly but never do. Considering BCs, I'll get 4.5 mill additional SP for some ships I can perfectly fly skill-wise, but never do - (I hate Drakes and post-bandwidth Myrms are a joke). So all that does is giving me 6 million SP and I can fly what i used to be able to fly (but don't want to fly - ever), increasing my clone costs for absolutely no benefit.
You ever hear the phrase: 'you can't please everyone' ?
When people as obstinate and nitpicky like you are around, it's a real pleasure knowing you'll be pissed.
Better game design? Check No players need to retrain ships they can currently fly? Check Terrible poasters faux crying about a non-issue? Check
"but but but my clone will be bigger if ccp gives me free skillpoints!!"
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! QQ more please. |
FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:07:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote: So all that does is giving me 6 million SP and I can fly what i used to be able to fly (but don't want to fly - ever), increasing my clone costs for absolutely no benefit.
Why don't you pod yourself repeatedly, until you clone price low enough for your satisfaction? |
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1253
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:43:00 -
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Arrs Grazznic wrote: Not really worried about clone bloat -- past a certain SP limit it doesn't really matter.
I'll jump from 20 to 30 mill isk/clone - sure - it's affordable - yet annyoing to have to pay 50% more for no benefit each time I take the fast route home. You know... morons. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
525
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:17:00 -
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Can CCP just post a diagram of the bare minimum skills needed to deal with Offcial(tm) broad skill ship changes?
Then show the results if you have destroyer 5 and battlecruiser 5 and how much SP they are getting from it.
Like this (all ships at 4, because thats bare minimum to fly well for ship hull bonus until you get 5).
Racial 1 Frig level 4- Racial 1 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 1 Battleship level 4 ---Destroyer ---Battlecruiser
Becomes
Racial 1 Frig level 4- Racial 1 Destroyer 5 -Racial 1 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 1 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4
Followed by how it crosses over if you have other races
Racial 1 Frig level 4- Racial 1 Destroyer 5 -Racial 1 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 1 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4 Racial 2 Frig level 4- Racial 2 Destroyer 5 -Racial 2 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 2 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4 Racial 3 Frig level 4- Racial 3 Destroyer 5 -Racial 3 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 3 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4 Racial 4 Frig level 4- Racial 4 Destroyer 5 -Racial 4 Cruiser level 4 - Racial 4 Battlecruiser 5- Racial 1 Battleship level 4
A diagram helps because its a logical linear order of steps and if CCP says "So say we all!" then we can just accept it. Swap the 4s to the bare minimum and now everyone could easily understand the required amount + what they are getting after it. Currently the piles of words in the dev blogs are distracting, not everyone is good at determining where two trains will meet a a certain place and time while traveling at different speeds |
Sol Tertia
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:56:00 -
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There appears to be an unspoken assumption that the new racial battlecruisers skills will still be x6 learning time multiplier, if that's not the case the SP inflation may in fact be substantially lower than people are speculating. |
Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
14
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:01:00 -
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Sol Tertia wrote:There appears to be an unspoken assumption that the new racial battlecruisers skills will still be x6 learning time multiplier, if that's not the case the SP inflation may in fact be substantially lower than people are speculating.
Yes, they will be:
"New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones" |
Sol Tertia
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:08:00 -
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Aren Dar wrote:Yes, they will be:
"New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones" Ok, I missed that one. Ta for the correction. |
Mister Sparkles
Sparkly Rectums Chained Reactions
6
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:09:00 -
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I can't wait to fly new racist battlecruisers |
Melina Lin
Universal Frog
24
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:18:00 -
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Mister Sparkles wrote:I can't wait to fly new racist battlecruisers I am pondering to relocate the Minnie ships to another hangar. I don't want my new racist battlecruisers to get into a shooting shouting match with one another. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
455
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:58:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. -Liang
We only want it answered one way, dis-ambiguously.
-Cipher I AM ******* PISSED OFF THAT EVE WILL NOT RUN ON MY COMMODORE 64. **** THAT **** I QUIT. take all my isk for 1 trit. |
Alayna Le'line
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Arzaiuc wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -
Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today. -Liang You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May. The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information". Given that Battlecruisers 5 gives you access to 20 ships, most of which are extremely good, the real question is why haven't you trained it already?
Some of us haven't been playing all that long and a ~20day skill might not exactly have been on top of our priority list (Assault Frigates sorta were on top of mine before the announcement about this).
If you got everything relevant at V then it doesn't really matter what's going to happen and more importantly WHEN; nothing more you can do anyway. If you don't on the other hand and if you're less old than, say, a year or two, then it DOES matter.
Anyway just my 0.02 ISK. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
658
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:48:00 -
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I don't mind getting free SP.
I do mind that its actually not free. It costs more every time I lose a pod.
I'll just deal with it, but it would be nice if CCP lowered clone costs just a little bit. |
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