Think getting ship progression to make logical sense is higher on the list than adding more stuff to make it more complicated.

Right, that makes sense. But such big change also seems more appropriate for a real expansion than sneaked into a small patch, but maybe that is why it is called "Escalation for Inferno".

Edit: Just found out that I need to burn a remap on my alt for this to make it before April 24.

[quote=Lexmana] racial battlecruiser and racial destroyer coming in on April 24th? If so I might still do it but it's going to be very tight.

For one of my chars a (painful) bonus remap would make it for Inferno, but if its the precursor... i can scrap it because i can't get to BC V (and even 2x cruiser III) in time for April 22nd. So i won't do that remap unless i know its actually worth it. Of course if i find out in 2-3 weeks it would have been worth it, but didn't ... also painful.

Truth be told, "taking your chances" doesn't cut it for all of us. The trade-offs are just painful if things don't go as assumed.

Ive got 43 mill sp. after the ship line change ill have at least 10 mill waisted skill points that i didnt need to train for what i fly.

I am not happy.

Ive got 43 mill sp. after the ship line change ill have at least 10 mill waisted skill points that i didnt need to train for what i fly.

I am not happy.

We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.

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If you have Destroyer 5 and BC 5 now, will you have all the destroyer/BC racials to 5 after the change? I can't imagine people want to do extra training just to re-achieve a level they're already at.

This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments.

they should 10% refund the sp... then let us choose if we wanted all BC skill points ourselfs. Or even if we want to stop flying BCs altogether. How much could that really hurt the game in the long run, come on.

There are two conditions needed before we split the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill in four:

• We need to overhaul destroyer and battlecruiser ships themselves. Cutting your ability to fly those ships by four without taking care of the underpowered hulls is a no go, because that would mean new players going for one racial line would have a hard time having valid options in these two classes.


• We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.

So no, to my knowledge skill changes are not coming in April; what we are most likely going to start with is to have a look at the tech 1 frigates and cruisers, then move up as time passes, but nothing is fixed yet.

We will do our best to let you know in advance if the skill changes are due for a specific release.

So when are we expecting the new destroyers?

Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic

This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments.

No. It really hasn't. CCP has referred variously to 'skill reimbursement' and 'you will be able to fly what you can fly now', those two things are not necessarily (and unlikely to be) synonymous.

I get it, you don't really know what to do with the SP situation but are trying to do something that will be fair, that's fine but that's not what you (or anyone else) as said.

No. It really hasn't. CCP has referred variously to 'skill reimbursement' and 'you will be able to fly what you can fly now', those two things are not necessarily (and unlikely to be) synonymous.

I get it, you don't really know what to do with the SP situation but are trying to do something that will be fair, that's fine but that's not what you (or anyone else) as said.

# Q: can we opt out for skills we don't want during the reimbursement process?

A: well, again, it depends on how it is done. We may just bluntly give all four variants at V if you had battlecruiser V for example, or maybe require that you also add the relevant Cruiser skill trained at level 3 to be eligible. On the latter case, just don't train the cruiser 3 skill, and you should not receive the new racial battlecruiser at 5. Not sure why one would do that however, it's like skipping free candy or cake while visiting your grandma.

Example:
# If we go for option 1: you will get Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar Battlecruiser skills at 5 if you previously had the generic Battlecruiser skill at 5.
# If we go for option 2: you will get Amarr Battlecruiser skill at 5 only if you previously fulfilled all conditions to fly Amarr Battlecruisers, which means having the generic Battlecruiser skill at 5, PLUS the Amarr Cruiser at 3.

To remind it again, there are other options to consider, but no matter which one which choose, you won't lose anything out of the skill reimbursement plan.

I pity the life of a developer, when you have to deal with people who won't read stuff that was hot news two weeks ago, then expect you to answer the same question for the thousandth time because today for some reason the issue is of immense interest to them.

Merci bien pour votre patience infinie.

Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic

This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments.

LOL @ this thread! Nobody is reading the answers the dev linked!

Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic

This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments.

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Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic

This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments.

The answers are very vague and do as much as possible to answer nothing conclusively.

Actually, the question wasn't properly answered -

Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

-Liang

Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

-Liang

ITT: a bunch of dipshits who fail at critical thinking.

Pretty much, although I'm unsure that we should go so far as pointing out that they fail at critical thinking....perhaps just plain thinking appears out of their league as well.

At the same time the ones who might actually be thinking properly still haven't clarified what it is they feel is lacking in the current answer so they get to get piled in with the rest of the idiots.

Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

-Liang

Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

-Liang

You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May.

The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".

The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".

hahahahaha you didn't even click or read the link did you. you are total fail and you should never post again.

Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic

This question has already been answered many times, please refer to the dev blog comments.

You missed the point completely. The point is whether someone who DOES NOT have level 5 battlecruisers will have to train it up by now or by May.

The only response we have been given is "Mayyyyyybe in May, but maybe we'll drop it on you a lot sooner. Just wait and see. So sorry if you get screwed over by lack of information".

You're missing the entire point.


A thousand different answers are no answer at all.

And I don't want to be able to fly any ship I could sit in today at the cost of bloating my clone with 6 mill more SP with CCPs punishing clone cost policiies for loyal customers.



As a matter of fact, both of my PvP oriented characters would be perfect Drake pilots

- I trained all passive shield tanking skills to V for the Curse, which came in convenient when I switched to Winmatar.

- Trained all V missile skills for Khanid ships, Stealthbombers and some Minmatar fittings.

- Trained BC V (I used to fly Harbingers pre AC-boost and pre-nerf Myrms, then it was for the Cane).

- Trained Destroyers V for the Thrasher.

- Got Caldari ship skils solely for Guristas and Sansha ships.

Yet I've never flown a Caldari BC.

Considering Destroyers, I've never flown anything but a Thrasher (except a salvaging Catalyst and some throwaway dictors), so that will be 1.5 mill useless SP added for ships I could fly but never do.

Considering BCs, I'll get 4.5 mill additional SP for some ships I can perfectly fly skill-wise, but never do - (I hate Drakes and post-bandwidth Myrms are a joke).



So all that does is giving me 6 million SP and I can fly what i used to be able to fly (but don't want to fly - ever), increasing my clone costs for absolutely no benefit.

So all that does is giving me 6 million SP and I can fly what i used to be able to fly (but don't want to fly - ever), increasing my clone costs for absolutely no benefit.

Not really worried about clone bloat -- past a certain SP limit it doesn't really matter.

There appears to be an unspoken assumption that the new racial battlecruisers skills will still be x6 learning time multiplier, if that's not the case the SP inflation may in fact be substantially lower than people are speculating.

Yes, they will be:

"New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones"

I can't wait to fly new racist battlecruisers

Dude, they've answered it a thousand different ways. I literally do not know how more explicit they can get on the subject of being able to fly something tomorrow that you can fly today.

-Liang

Given that Battlecruisers 5 gives you access to 20 ships, most of which are extremely good, the real question is why haven't you trained it already?

There are two conditions needed before we split the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill in four:

• We need to overhaul destroyer and battlecruiser ships themselves. Cutting your ability to fly those ships by four without taking care of the underpowered hulls is a no go, because that would mean new players going for one racial line would have a hard time having valid options in these two classes.


• We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.

So no, to my knowledge skill changes are not coming in April; what we are most likely going to start with is to have a look at the tech 1 frigates and cruisers, then move up as time passes, but nothing is fixed yet.

We will do our best to let you know in advance if the skill changes are due for a specific release.

Yes, they will be:

"New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones"

LOL @ this thread! Nobody is reading the answers the dev linked!

In that case I won't be trainning for command ships unil after the change :( 6 motnhs to a year + from now ): All peeps would be smart not to either. The T3 is a better OGB command ship until something is changed anyways.

Yeah, how come everyone didn't read page 73 of that thread?!

There are two conditions needed before we split the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill in four:

• We need to overhaul destroyer and battlecruiser ships themselves. Cutting your ability to fly those ships by four without taking care of the underpowered hulls is a no go, because that would mean new players going for one racial line would have a hard time having valid options in these two classes.


• We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.

So no, to my knowledge skill changes are not coming in April; what we are most likely going to start with is to have a look at the tech 1 frigates and cruisers, then move up as time passes, but nothing is fixed yet.

We will do our best to let you know in advance if the skill changes are due for a specific release.

Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.

Q: can we opt out for skills we don't want during the reimbursement process?

A: well, again, it depends on how it is done. We may just bluntly give all four variants at V if you had battlecruiser V for example, or maybe require that you also add the relevant Cruiser skill trained at level 3 to be eligible. On the latter case, just don't train the cruiser 3 skill, and you should not receive the new racial battlecruiser at 5. Not sure why one would do that however, it's like skipping free candy or cake while visiting your grandma.

Example:
If we go for option 1: you will get Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar Battlecruiser skills at 5 if you previously had the generic Battlecruiser skill at 5.
If we go for option 2: you will get Amarr Battlecruiser skill at 5 only if you previously fulfilled all conditions to fly Amarr Battlecruisers, which means having the generic Battlecruiser skill at 5, PLUS the Amarr Cruiser at 3.

No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up.

Any news on when this will happen?

If I have BC 5 trained but not the other required skills to fly a bc - racial frigate 4 and racial cruiser 3 what happens?

What happens if I only have one the frigate and cruiser skills to fly one races bc?

What happens if I am half way to bc5 when the patch hits?