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Oo0o0	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:51:00 - [1] What happened to the t20 post? Locked and made invisible?
RaYaa Gallente Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:53:00 - [2] you want the truth? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH! your face, your ass -- what's the difference?
ElrondMD The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:54:00 - [3] NOTHING TO SEE HERE ALL IS WELL LOCKING THREAD
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:55:00 - [4] I dev'd it away
EzSnake Brass Monkeys Society	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:56:00 - [5] LOL @ CCP..tryin to sweep it under rug. another stroke of genius
Raziphan Rebular Caldari Advanced Capital Ship Designs Hephaestus Rising	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:57:00 - [6] This is like the X files but more boring.
Trent Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:58:00 - [7] I had just posted this not 5 mins earlier. Beautiful CCP Yea I copied it suspecting the thread would be nerfed. Like others in this thread I suspect this is a whine post from someone in one of the alliances that Bob is plowing over. On the other hand I have to disagree with those who say "forget about it already". A developer cheated on behalf of one group of players and he wasn't fired for it. Even two years later that still calls Bob's success and CCPs honesty into question. After all, that incident was just what we know about. Are we supposed to just believe that was the only favor handed out by a CCP employee? We shouldn't get too hung up on that idea but we shouldn't forget about it either. Lets see CCP fire the cheater like they should have done and make amends to the player honest enough to bring his actions to light. Then we can consider forgetting. Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew!
Noshi Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Trent Nichols Rant and tearz Why do you just quit then, I mean it's obvious you can't compete with BoB/GBC with all the hacking and Dev help. We cheat, just stop logging in. You take internet spaceships pretty serious, maybe you need to step away from the basement for a bit and get some fresh air. /noshi
Garok Nor Blueprint Haus	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:06:00 - [9] These are not the T20 threads you are looking for ------------------------------------------------- Items posted by me are in no way a reflection of the policies and/or opinions of my corporation or alliance. {though they maybe really ought to be}
Jas Oglivy	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:09:00 - [10] Edited by: Jas Oglivy on 04/09/2008 00:12:07 Originally by: Trent Nichols We shouldn't get too hung up on that idea but we shouldn't forget about it either. Lets see CCP fire the cheater like they should have done and make amends to the player honest enough to bring his actions to light. Then we can consider forgetting. CCP can't operate on Internet "law" or opinion as far as employee relations go, but must obey their country's employment standards laws. In most developed countries you can't discipline an employee twice for the same offence. t20 had his hand slapped by his employer once well before the affair became public. Even if they were inclined to bend to public opinion they'd still have their HR people, lawyers, and Icelandic employment standards officials on their case if they tried to fire him for something they'd already disciplined him for.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Trent Nichols A developer cheated on behalf of one group of players and he wasn't fired for it. Technically he just cheated on behalf of himself, him donating the BPOs to his corp when he had to leave was quite a bit later. He has been punished tons for it since, probably more than if he'd actually been fired.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Trent Nichols I had just posted this not 5 mins earlier. Beautiful CCP Yea I copied it suspecting the thread would be nerfed. Like others in this thread I suspect this is a whine post from someone in one of the alliances that Bob is plowing over. On the other hand I have to disagree with those who say "forget about it already". A developer cheated on behalf of one group of players and he wasn't fired for it. Even two years later that still calls Bob's success and CCPs honesty into question. After all, that incident was just what we know about. Are we supposed to just believe that was the only favor handed out by a CCP employee? We shouldn't get too hung up on that idea but we shouldn't forget about it either. Lets see CCP fire the cheater like they should have done and make amends to the player honest enough to bring his actions to light. Then we can consider forgetting. so you suspect the thread been locked and deleted and so you want to press the point and risk a warning or ban why? is it worth it?
elohllird Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Nick Curso I dev'd it away ha ha, i knew there were Dev's in BOB. Your so found out, ha.
Trent Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Noshi Originally by: Trent Nichols Rant and tearz Why do you just quit then, I mean it's obvious you can't compete with BoB/GBC with all the hacking and Dev help. We cheat, just stop logging in. You take internet spaceships pretty serious, maybe you need to step away from the basement for a bit and get some fresh air. "rant"? you need to read your own post I think. I even went as far as to say we shouldn't get too hung up on the idea. The point I wanted to make is that when someone controlling a game shows preference to one party it spoils there game to some extent. Therefore it should be dealt with quickly and openly and not swept under the rug as CCP has done. I think you are confusing "tears" with an opinion. Ive only found myself in a fight vs BoB once or twice since I have been playing so T20's actions have given me, personally, nothing to cry about Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew!
MinmatarCitizen 90242 THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:19:00 - [15] Banning whistleblowers is good corporate policy c/d?
Aya Otosaki Titan Indurstrial	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:23:00 - [16] forgive and forget. ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:29:00 - [17] Edited by: Richard Angevian on 04/09/2008 00:33:01 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Trent Nichols A developer cheated on behalf of one group of players and he wasn't fired for it. Technically he just cheated on behalf of himself, him donating the BPOs to his corp when he had to leave was quite a bit later. He has been punished tons for it since, probably more than if he'd actually been fired. If any of us did anything remotely similar that affected the reputation of the companies we work for directly with our CUSTOMERS, there wouldn't have been ANY punishment. Because we'd have been FIRED within 5 minutes. T20 should have been fired, PERIOD. His punishment should have been to be banished to only being able to work for SOE, a company which is made up of people on his moral and ethical level. Firing him would have set THE example which would have discouraged all other CCP employees from doing similar things, because more than T20 almost certainly were and have done similar or possibly even greater wrongs to benefit themselves and their alliances. Abuse your power, **** off customers, harm the reputation of CCP, and the integrity of EVE and it's managment= fast track OUT THE DOOR. Instead, it's left a cloud over everything, because not only has CCP not fired T20, their "internal affairs" person has been shown to be a joke, they've offered NO accounting of other Devs in alliances, not even a statistical count, and the CSM, originally promised to be formed to be a watchdog instead is powerless, knowledgeless, e-peen society with NO ability to police CCP.
Noshi Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Trent Nichols "rant"? you need to read your own post I think. I even went as far as to say we shouldn't get too hung up on the idea. The point I wanted to make is that when someone controlling a game shows preference to one party it spoils there game to some extent. Therefore it should be dealt with quickly and openly and not swept under the rug as CCP has done. I think you are confusing "tears" with an opinion. Ive only found myself in a fight vs BoB once or twice since I have been playing so T20's actions have given me, personally, nothing to cry about Nono, calling for one of the developers of your video game to be fired isn't a rant you spoiled 15 year old. Please continue to post on the subject of the "2 year old internetspaceship BPO" and how its has helped us so much. Just because you and your Northern monkey ass friends suck at internetspaceships doesn't give you the right to form an opinion on something you apparently know nothing about. /noshi
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/09/2008 00:39:23 Uh who gives a shit what you (richard) think, only CCP were in a position to make that call and they knew a lot more about the situation than anyone else.
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Noshi Originally by: Trent Nichols "rant"? you need to read your own post I think. I even went as far as to say we shouldn't get too hung up on the idea. The point I wanted to make is that when someone controlling a game shows preference to one party it spoils there game to some extent. Therefore it should be dealt with quickly and openly and not swept under the rug as CCP has done. I think you are confusing "tears" with an opinion. Ive only found myself in a fight vs BoB once or twice since I have been playing so T20's actions have given me, personally, nothing to cry about Some of the chat logs and stuff I've read concerning Bob leadership's complicity in this and other things tell me that you guys should consider yourselves lucky that Molle hasn't been permabanned. He should have been. Indeed, there is definite proof that he did things very similar to the titan pilot who was recently banned who had his titan confiscated. If not for likely lingering Dev favoritism of the Band of Developers, it would have happened. What I find most ironic is the only person punished was the whistleblower. Which is sick. Nono, calling for one of the developers of your video game to be fired isn't a rant you spoiled 15 year old. Please continue to post on the subject of the "2 year old internetspaceship BPO" and how its has helped us so much. Just because you and your Northern monkey ass friends suck at internetspaceships doesn't give you the right to form an opinion on something you apparently know nothing about.
Evelgrivion Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Richard Angevian Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Trent Nichols A developer cheated on behalf of one group of players and he wasn't fired for it. Technically he just cheated on behalf of himself, him donating the BPOs to his corp when he had to leave was quite a bit later. He has been punished tons for it since, probably more than if he'd actually been fired. If any of us did anything remotely similar that affected the reputation of the companies we work for directly with our CUSTOMERS, there wouldn't have been ANY punishment. Because we'd have been FIRED within 5 minutes. T20 should have been fired, PERIOD. His punishment should have been to be banished to only being able to work for SOE, a company which is made up of people on his moral and ethical level. How about you try to get to know the person before you pass of this kind of judgment upon their character? And before you ask, I only know t20 as t20 via public channels. The impression I have of him is that he is a hard working, diligent, thoughtful person who loves to play the game, and has made amazing contributions to it, mired by one serious mistake. Everyone is giving t20 far more flack than he deserves. He screwed up, yes. But the reality is that a Sabre BPO and 3 Tech II ammo blueprints is pennies of the income generated by a region's worth of high end moons and the literally dozens of other blueprints in the hands of Band of Brothers. However, because he did this one thing, he has gotten thousands of lines of vitriol and hatred, and became a sort of scapegoat for everything wrong with this game. Put yourself in his shoes. What do you think this kind of stuff does to your self esteem? Nobody can distance themselves from the crap people give over something they truly care about. Do you think anyone looked at t20 the same way after this incident went public? I can only imagine what it did to his reputation in real life, and what regrets he harbors. However, I'm certain they are there. T20 is a nice guy. Every interaction I've had with him, and every person I've talked to who knows him says the same thing. CCP was right in who it chose to punish. In the end, the actions of t20 did not cause any significant change to the in-game status quo. Our favorite ouster on the other hand, was trying to extort game assets out of the company. Give the poor guy a break, he certainly deserves one with all the ridiculous assertions, accusations, and general garbage thrown at him by the people who fair so terribly in game that their only recourse is to blame CCP for their own failings.
Faekurias Black Legion Command	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:40:00 - [22] The t20 incident is the sole reason that BOB is kicking the NC's ass! NERF! We are recruiting.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:42:00 - [23] At least t20 played the game, unlike the majority of the devs now.
Farham Titan Industries Technology Team Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:44:00 - [24] "Nono, calling for one of the developers of your video game to be fired isn't a rant you spoiled 15 year old." Spoiled 15 year old or paying customer? Adults know the difference because it matters in most grown up work places. Perhaps if you work in McD's such concepts are foreign. Titan Industries Technology Team
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/09/2008 00:39:23 Uh who gives a shit what you (richard) think, only CCP were in a position to make that call and they knew a lot more about the situation than anyone else. CCP was in full blown "sweep it under the rug" mode. It was to their advantage to try to "make it go away" which is why the whistelblower was banned, etc. They tried to just disappear it. The biggest disappointment I have is that the CSM was NOT introduced as what we were promised: That one of their prime roles would be to police CCP and keep them honest. The BPO's were just what Bob/T20 got caught red handed with. There are many other unanswered questions... What CCP should have done was come clean, lay it all out, detail their reforms, fire the perpetrator(s), then make Dev in game activity transparent in the future. Since they failed to do that, I have little trust that Devs aren't still cheating.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:46:00 - [26] I love these threads. It is like the 60's in here, what with JFK and moon landings and stuffs. Groovy, baby. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Faekurias The t20 incident is the sole reason that BOB is kicking the NC's ass! NERF! Actually it is one of the reasons why Bob got beaten back, because it greatly damaged their morale, as the rank and file looked at their accomplishments and wondered how much of it was the result of cheating rather than skill/effort. Most of their losses happened right after it was revealed. Indeed, only now are they expanding again outside Delve/Querious/Period Basis since the T20 incident. Of course, the T20 incident also motivated everyone else to jump on the "Kill bob" train, since they were quite justified in feeling that the Devs were cheating on behalf of Bob and that it was a cause they should unite in.
Elise Randolph Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:48:00 - [28] Posting in a pointless thread. ---------- I need a good sig, someone make one for me.
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:50:00 - [29] Edited by: Richard Angevian on 04/09/2008 00:50:52 Originally by: Avon I love these threads. It is like the 60's in here, what with JFK and moon landings and stuffs. Groovy, baby. You guys just can't handle the fact that your achievements will always be tainted by the fact that one of your senior leaders at the time you were at the height of your power was outed not only as a Dev, but proven to be abusing his power to cheat for you. Those are the facts, and saying that it's "in the past" won't make it go away. Indeed, the fact that CCP won't provide any accounting of where the Devs are, and definitely chose NOT to investigate other allegations, just sweep that incident under the rug gives us legitimate reason to suspect that you are STILL cheating. In other words, we have no reason to believe that indeed it is "in the past".
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Richard Angevian Originally by: Faekurias The t20 incident is the sole reason that BOB is kicking the NC's ass! NERF! Actually it is one of the reasons why Bob got beaten back, because it greatly damaged their morale, as the rank and file looked at their accomplishments and wondered how much of it was the result of cheating rather than skill/effort. Most of their losses happened right after it was revealed. Indeed, only now are they expanding again outside Delve/Querious/Period Basis since the T20 incident. Of course, the T20 incident also motivated everyone else to jump on the "Kill bob" train, since they were quite justified in feeling that the Devs were cheating on behalf of Bob and that it was a cause they should unite in. So are you coming to kill, kill, kill us or what? The truth will set you free

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