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Ekrid
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:19:00 -
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A few facts about MMO's in general:
They are designed with the idea being that it takes teamwork and effort of multiple people working together to accomplish something (much like a multiplayer FPS).
Most games limit players by class. Eve limits players by time, as to what you can do within the game in a reasonable amount of time, the idea being that your specialization makes you needed as part of a group because you choose to bring something to the table that is lacking (if you spend 5 years training up before ever playing, you're wasting your time and money, same if you think you won't jump right in before you have a few million skill points). The point is to play the game, not wait to play the game. If PVP is your thing, make a character right from the start focused on that, and/or train up for that through your defense skills (tank), and your offense skills (turrets/drones/missiles).
For Eve, the fitting is just as or even more important than skills, and selecting a proper group of people to fly around with is also as important. To these two things, actual skills take a huge backseat. sure L4 in lasers isn't going to toast someone as fast, but you can't train Good Teamwork or Proper Fitting up to L5, and these are the two more important things for PVP.
On soloers. These people don't play MMOs, they want to say they do and feel involved, because they have no life outside of games, or they feel connected to others unlike single player games. But unfortunately for them, they are willing to pay 15+ a month in addition to the game's initial fee (see WoW for comparison, as Eve Online has a very minor start cost, which is waived completely by using a GTC), and for what that they can't get from playing a single player game (which would undoubtedly have the controlled environment of NPC they crave, as well as a better PVE experience and storyline) while having some other chat program open to brag to their "friends" about how good they are about shooting a bunch of predictable mobs. I could theorize that being so lonely, they need the constant reminder of "I pwnz0r j00" leet speak to remind them that there are people out there as sad and pathetic as themselves on the axiom "misery loves company".
In all other games the idea is to have a goal. Kill this dragon, get this armor, etc. In Eve, get this armor becomes "fly this ship and use these mods". The thing that prevents this is more or less the same that prevents "getting that armor", in that all it really takes is time, and a grind. The only difference in eve is that you can't control the time it takes to grind with anything other than implants on top of attributes, whereas in other games, your personal best grinding method + time = the same thing. So, we're left with the lack of a goal, and this lack of a goal, something to focus on, is exactly what causes a gamer to become jaded at the prospect of flying their spaceship around the web. All this proves is that left to their own devices, the majority of people are so zombified that they can't even come up with a goal for themselves in the game. Maybe they fear looking silly, or that the goal itself is worthless, but if you're playing a video game or even real sports, congratulate yourself on having already done this.
Antisocialites. For some reason they are drawn to MMOs, not to actually play, but to vent their repressed frustration on other people by annoying them. The most dedicated ones are those who actually play within the mechanics of the game to "grief" others, while those with short attention spans and a lack of professionalism merely resort to name calling and ranting until they are banned.
Eve Corporations. For some reason, every noob in the galaxy makes a corporation. Also for some reason, every noob in the galaxy thinks that a corporation asking for you to join them is somehow unworthy of their mere presence, and they get indignant if they are a royal ****tard and actually called out on it, so that they ***** and
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:19:00 -
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A few facts about MMO's in general:
They are designed with the idea being that it takes teamwork and effort of multiple people working together to accomplish something (much like a multiplayer FPS).
Most games limit players by class. Eve limits players by time, as to what you can do within the game in a reasonable amount of time, the idea being that your specialization makes you needed as part of a group because you choose to bring something to the table that is lacking (if you spend 5 years training up before ever playing, you're wasting your time and money, same if you think you won't jump right in before you have a few million skill points). The point is to play the game, not wait to play the game. If PVP is your thing, make a character right from the start focused on that, and/or train up for that through your defense skills (tank), and your offense skills (turrets/drones/missiles).
For Eve, the fitting is just as or even more important than skills, and selecting a proper group of people to fly around with is also as important. To these two things, actual skills take a huge backseat. sure L4 in lasers isn't going to toast someone as fast, but you can't train Good Teamwork or Proper Fitting up to L5, and these are the two more important things for PVP.
On soloers. These people don't play MMOs, they want to say they do and feel involved, because they have no life outside of games, or they feel connected to others unlike single player games. But unfortunately for them, they are willing to pay 15+ a month in addition to the game's initial fee (see WoW for comparison, as Eve Online has a very minor start cost, which is waived completely by using a GTC), and for what that they can't get from playing a single player game (which would undoubtedly have the controlled environment of NPC they crave, as well as a better PVE experience and storyline) while having some other chat program open to brag to their "friends" about how good they are about shooting a bunch of predictable mobs. I could theorize that being so lonely, they need the constant reminder of "I pwnz0r j00" leet speak to remind them that there are people out there as sad and pathetic as themselves on the axiom "misery loves company".
In all other games the idea is to have a goal. Kill this dragon, get this armor, etc. In Eve, get this armor becomes "fly this ship and use these mods". The thing that prevents this is more or less the same that prevents "getting that armor", in that all it really takes is time, and a grind. The only difference in eve is that you can't control the time it takes to grind with anything other than implants on top of attributes, whereas in other games, your personal best grinding method + time = the same thing. So, we're left with the lack of a goal, and this lack of a goal, something to focus on, is exactly what causes a gamer to become jaded at the prospect of flying their spaceship around the web. All this proves is that left to their own devices, the majority of people are so zombified that they can't even come up with a goal for themselves in the game. Maybe they fear looking silly, or that the goal itself is worthless, but if you're playing a video game or even real sports, congratulate yourself on having already done this.
Antisocialites. For some reason they are drawn to MMOs, not to actually play, but to vent their repressed frustration on other people by annoying them. The most dedicated ones are those who actually play within the mechanics of the game to "grief" others, while those with short attention spans and a lack of professionalism merely resort to name calling and ranting until they are banned.
Eve Corporations. For some reason, every noob in the galaxy makes a corporation. Also for some reason, every noob in the galaxy thinks that a corporation asking for you to join them is somehow unworthy of their mere presence, and they get indignant if they are a royal ****tard and actually called out on it, so that they ***** and
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ekrid on 04/09/2008 09:23:34
eventually leave your corp. Good riddance to them, but their attitude is wholly wrong. Corporations need players as much as players need them. Its a symbiotic relationship, but everything thinks that being in a corporation should somehow be easy street, with no taxes, and nothing to actually do but fly around with yet another chat venue while they go about still playing the solo pve game.
Making money in games. The idea of specialization is that you can gain a goal much quicker with a few people doing specific tasks as opposed to one person trying to do it all themselves. Thats where corporations come in for Eve, yet people are either afraid of being grouped with ****tards, or are antisocialites themselves, that they stay solo.
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ekrid on 04/09/2008 09:23:34
eventually leave your corp. Good riddance to them, but their attitude is wholly wrong. Corporations need players as much as players need them. Its a symbiotic relationship, but everything thinks that being in a corporation should somehow be easy street, with no taxes, and nothing to actually do but fly around with yet another chat venue while they go about still playing the solo pve game.
Making money in games. The idea of specialization is that you can gain a goal much quicker with a few people doing specific tasks as opposed to one person trying to do it all themselves. Thats where corporations come in for Eve, yet people are either afraid of being grouped with ****tards, or are antisocialites themselves, that they stay solo.
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MineralOel Steuer
Amarr
OP EC
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:22:00 -
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WALLOFTEXT and Nerdrage Incoming!
The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch.. |
MineralOel Steuer
Amarr
OP EC
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:22:00 -
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WALLOFTEXT and Nerdrage Incoming!
The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch.. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Ekrid
On soloers. These people don't play MMOs, they want to say they do and feel involved, because they have no life outside of games
Yeah, goodbye, discussion over.
Judgemental a-hole in radar, no need to engage.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid
On soloers. These people don't play MMOs, they want to say they do and feel involved, because they have no life outside of games
Yeah, goodbye, discussion over.
Judgemental a-hole in radar, no need to engage.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Stephanie Jones
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid
A few of my worthless opinions about MMO's in general:
Fixed...
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:31:00 -
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OP tl;dr translation:
"I want to play WoW in space so I can grind my way to the top in eleven days and be 1337!"
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Stephanie Jones
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid
A few of my worthless opinions about MMO's in general:
Fixed...
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:31:00 -
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OP tl;dr translation:
"I want to play WoW in space so I can grind my way to the top in eleven days and be 1337!"
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:48:00 -
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I need a point ?
also disagree about solo players (the only bit I understood as a sentence), this game is much deeper than most solo games so it's still fun to play solo, but also with other people.
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Hungo
Minmatar
Research And Tactics
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: MineralOel Steuer
WALLOFTEXT and Nerdrage Incoming!
QFT
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Cryxx
Minmatar
Blindsight Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.04 10:02:00 -
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Everything looked good, till you got to the part about solo and excuse me, but what right do you have to tell people what and how they should play? they pay just like you do.
From this I can guess that you are one of those "PVP or get out of MY eve!"-type players and to be honest people like that shouldnt play MMOs, this is not your game, this is everyones game and those who pay to play it have the right to chose how they play it.
So yeah there a people who do solo missions and only talk to other people in the chat, but whats wrong with that? seriously?
oh yeah and: player1 tabs Aggresive Wall of Whine, Aggresive Wall of Whine does 30 damage 1000 damage to you. you die.
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Hungo
Minmatar
Research And Tactics
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Posted - 2008.09.04 10:06:00 -
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I play because my wife hates me, my children stab me on a daily basis n my ***** doesnt work
N apprently showering once a year makes me dirty :/
So i play eve :P
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.04 10:08:00 -
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I thought I was gonna learn why I play this game?
Dangit, now I still don't know why I play! Halp halp.
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http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.04 10:13:00 -
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OP: So what is it that you actually want?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
OneofSix
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Posted - 2008.09.04 10:14:00 -
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And then you have the Amateur Psychologist. The kind of person who assesses other people based on their own distorted view of themselves, therefore biased and ends up forcing other people within very narrow parameters. They often denounce other people for straying beyond those parameters, failing to understand why or how people are different from themselves.
Projection bias is a defense mechanism in which one attributes oneÆs own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts and emotions to others. To quote:
Quote:
Antisocialites. For some reason they are drawn to MMOs, not to actually play, but to vent their repressed frustration on other people by annoying them. The most dedicated ones are those who actually play within the mechanics of the game to "grief" others, while those with short attention spans and a lack of professionalism merely resort to name calling and ranting until they are banned.
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MineralOel Steuer
Amarr
OP EC
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Posted - 2008.09.04 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: OneofSix
And then you have the Amateur Psychologist. The kind of person who assesses other people based on their own distorted view of themselves, therefore biased and ends up forcing other people within very narrow parameters. They often denounce other people for straying beyond those parameters, failing to understand why or how people are different from themselves.
Projection bias is a defense mechanism in which one attributes oneÆs own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts and emotions to others. To quote:
Quote:
Antisocialites. For some reason they are drawn to MMOs, not to actually play, but to vent their repressed frustration on other people by annoying them. The most dedicated ones are those who actually play within the mechanics of the game to "grief" others, while those with short attention spans and a lack of professionalism merely resort to name calling and ranting until they are banned.
You mean there're other people than me, myself and I?
The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch.. |
Exlegion
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.04 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Exlegion on 04/09/2008 11:24:01
Originally by: Ekrid
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Translation:
"You're playing Eve wrong. My play style is right. And logically therefore you have no life".
My advice:
Stop hating already.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.09.04 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid
Blabberings of a lunatic who has some strange holier-than-thou complex
I've never read such a complete pile of tosh as what you have written, and believe me i have read some awful shit.
Please never post again and delete your account.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.09.04 12:22:00 -
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Also this i think sums up my view
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:47:00 -
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Actually I agree with the OP, particularly the bit about corporations and entitled feeling nooblet players.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid
Actually I agree with the OP, particularly the bit about corporations and entitled feeling nooblet players.
Do you indeed?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:55:00 -
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Who can possibly argue with someone with such awesome knowledge of EVE!
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: JamnOne on 04/09/2008 18:59:44
Writing wall of crap to upset some of the players: Stupid
Originally by: Ekrid
Wall of text designed to upset others
Agreeing with yourself thinking you are using an Alt: Funny as hell as it proves your ignorance level.
Originally by: Ekrid
Actually I agree with the OP, particularly the bit about corporations and entitled feeling nooblet players.
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Shameful is the one that, having heroes - Forgets them!
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:59:00 -
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because I do agree with the OP, maybe?
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.09.04 19:08:00 -
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MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Exlegion
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.04 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Exlegion on 04/09/2008 19:15:51
Originally by: Ekrid
Actually I agree with the OP, particularly the bit about corporations and entitled feeling nooblet players.
Did you mean to use your alt?
Dude, that's just sad.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
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