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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.05 05:46:00 -
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Any publisher that used starforce copy protection, so Ea and Ubisoft |
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.05 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 05/09/2008 02:06:47
Originally by: Gojyu Although I'm going to get reamed for it, CCP, while not up there with ea or microsoft, are pretty shady for mmo developers: - Allow staff members to cheat, with no public repercussions - Actually going out of the way to ban whistle blowers - And the main thing, are active rl money traders. This puts them in such glorious company as ige, and any other gold farming buisness
They do make a good game though.
Do you honestly expect other MMO companies havent had similar instances? The only reason you know about it is because the "whistle blower" hacked the database, blackmailed CCP, and then decided to rat them out. As for the last point? huh?
Actually, It's been a few years, so I can't recall the details, but a wow gm was caught cheating at one point. The guy was fired. As for the last point, ccp seem perfectly fine with real money trade, as long as a cut goes into your pockets. Have you ever noticed how ccp so valiantly try to fight against people selling isk for cash while subtlely saying "here, use our system for buying isk for cash, it's much safer". Given the huge mark up on gtc's compared to a credit card subscription. It'd be interesting to see how much money ccp actually make a year from real money trade
In my company, there's one developper who made quite a few critical programs, and the way he coded was..non standard. Then, over the years, he corrected the bugs with so many fixes over fixes over fixes, that another developper would need litteraly years to know the code backward and forward. The programs work, more or less, but you can guess firing the original developper, even if he doesn't do his job all that well, wouldn't exactly be a good idea. And, of course, he's digging his heels any way he can where sharing knownledge is concerned.
Now about T20, what he did was wrong, sure, but maybe there's reasons why firing him would be worse than keeping him? With a code the size of Eve's, surely the developpers have specialized in specific areas. |
Rawrior
Gallente Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.09.05 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Rawrior on 05/09/2008 09:47:45
Originally by: Benco97 1) NCsoft 2) NCsoft 3) NCsoft and 4) NCsoft
To any NCsoft employees reading this... YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID! *Shakes fist in air*
qft
and.. blizzard isnt one of the worst, they're making d3, hippies
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Tao Han
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.05 10:20:00 -
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Blizzard is easily my favourite developer/gamecompany.
Worst are
1. EA (slayer of all thats good and classic) 2. EA (cash cow games suck) 3. EA (they ate Bullfrog)
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.05 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 05/09/2008 10:31:10
Quote: (i liked bfrs so screw u)
Fail.
1. SoE for introducing BFRs to Planetside. |
Benco97
Gallente The Star League
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Posted - 2008.09.05 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution
Quote: (i liked bfrs so screw u)
Fail.
I quite like BFRs in their current incarnation actually, I had a fun game of hide and seek around a particularly big tree with an Aphelion yesterday (Me on foot in agile, Shooting his critical systems with my 10mm pistol) until he stomped on my head |
SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.05 10:38:00 -
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Even nerfed they annoyed me because they were so gimpy compared to their original laughably overpowered incarnation.
The zany pendulum like approach to balancing them just underlined the utter stupidity of the concept for me.
Planetside was just not designed for superweapons.
See also: The Flail. |
4rc4ng3L
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.05 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Death4free well figured i may aswell as im bored so state ur list of carrpy game companies or publishers with the reason
well obv after ccp there are
1.soe for the failure cascade that was the nerfing of swg and planetside (i liked bfrs so screw u) 2.ea because they just launder out cashcows and half the games they publish are shite (see sims) 3.well thats it sofar ill edit as i find more
Just cos you dont like the dam Sims doesnt mean its crap, happens to be one of the biggest selling PC games/franchises of all time, dont get me wrong, i hate it.... but i dont going around saying everything i dont like is crap, i simply say 'i dont like it' ------------------------------------------ - To Jumanji, or not to Jumanji...... - |
Royaldo
Gallente Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.05 11:41:00 -
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EA.
Its great seeing that more and more people "get" EA. They are just bad for the whole gaming industry.
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Griffen Hawk
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.09.05 12:20:00 -
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EA for obvious reasons...
BRING BACK WESTWOOD!
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.09.05 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: P''uck on 05/09/2008 15:44:23 EA clearly leads the field imho.
Ubi was pretty bad, I haven't watched 'em that closely lately, but I heard they try to better themselves...
edit: oh and CCP, just because
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Miki Fin
Gallente Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2008.09.05 20:44:00 -
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3D Realms. Still waiting for a bit of Duke
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.09.05 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tao Han Blizzard is easily my favourite developer/gamecompany.
Worst are
1. EA (slayer of all thats good and classic) 2. EA (cash cow games suck) 3. EA (they ate Bullfrog)
EA for the the bad cashcow games, but even more for their crappy, really crappy customer support, but killing Bullfrog is unforgivable.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.09.05 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Taua Roqa on 05/09/2008 21:36:53 another reason to shit on EA http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7599639.stm
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.05 22:28:00 -
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VIBES
The bankrupt and dead and unlamented company that created the game "Mankind"
Their game was, for its time, brillant. It pushed the limit of what was possible, and maybe a bit further,
Like Eve, it was a space game, unsharded, and you could LOSE stuff.
Sadly, far to much was client side, and very very hackable (one the many hacks, for example, was to change the clock on YOUR computer, to make stuff build faster)
Last I checked a Chinese company owned the game. They purchased it after VIBES went bankrupt.
VIBES had, by far, the worst costomer relations I have ever seen.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.05 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 05/09/2008 22:58:56 NCSoft is the best company, wtf are you all talking about? Leaked C1 server
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.06 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Miki Fin 3D Realms. Still waiting for a bit of Duke
They're not the worst, just the most laughable. They may be the fourth greatest joke in history.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.06 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 05/09/2008 05:58:15
Originally by: Gojyu Actually, It's been a few years, so I can't recall the details, but a wow gm was caught cheating at one point. The guy was fired. As for the last point, ccp seem perfectly fine with real money trade, as long as a cut goes into your pockets. Have you ever noticed how ccp so valiantly try to fight against people selling isk for cash while subtlely saying "here, use our system for buying isk for cash, it's much safer". Given the huge mark up on gtc's compared to a credit card subscription. It'd be interesting to see how much money ccp actually make a year from real money trade
In my company, there's one developper who made quite a few critical programs, and the way he coded was..non standard. Then, over the years, he corrected the bugs with so many fixes over fixes over fixes, that another developper would need litteraly years to know the code backward and forward. The programs work, more or less, but you can guess firing the original developper, even if he doesn't do his job all that well, wouldn't exactly be a good idea. And, of course, he's digging his heels any way he can where sharing knownledge is concerned.
Now about T20, what he did was wrong, sure, but maybe there's reasons why firing him would be worse than keeping him? With a code the size of Eve's, surely the developpers have specialized in specific areas.
Back to the subject, I name SOE and activision as bad companies besause not being able to make more than average MMOs, at best, and Failcom for it's horrible communication policy (promising the world Soon(tm) and banning anyone who dare open his mouth)
IIRC the reason T20 was not fired was that he had already been disciplined for his offence, and by Icelandic employment law, it would have been illegal for CCP to have penalised him again.
Not saying that CCP handled the affair perfectly, or even that well, but jeez, you can't expect them to break the law.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.06 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 06/09/2008 13:10:27
Quote: Ubi was pretty bad, I haven't watched 'em that closely lately, but I heard they try to better themselves...
Ubi are primarily frustrating because they're just like the most obvious example of the "death of PC gaming".
They had all these slow paced sneaky tactical Clancy franchises which they've since turned into moron-em-ups for the "Bro" demographic.
They also deserve honourable mention for either loathing or being totally indifferent to their customer base.
They've got these community reps, right? The community reps ask the community what they want in a game. The community tell them. They then take this information to a bunch of soulless dead-eyed gits in suits who completely disregard this information and instead decide to make Gears of Rainbow 6: The Bro'ening - now with 50% more totally intense explosions, dude.
All of their games have gone from being "Generation Kill" or "Band of Brothers" to "Under Siege 4: Fat man chases suitcase nuke again".
Other highlights include advertising the completely different PC game using console game footage so everyone buying the PC game is completely confused and think they got gyped.
They've just turned into this laughable development-by-the-numbers machine with studios outsourced to everywhere and no real creative vision for anything.
The one exception seems to be FC2. That actually looks pretty cool. I can only assume Ubi developed it by mistake. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Mr Crepsley
Gallente SkillzKillz United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.09.08 20:46:00 -
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1. Edios (age of conan anyone) 2. Mythic entertainment (really warhammer online beta sucks) 3. EA (whould be top if not for the masterpiece that is spore) ----
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.09.08 20:57:00 -
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Any company owned or associated with vivendi universal, or EA.
Both of those big names own probably 90%+ of the gaming industry combined.
Everything they touch becomes a big joke.
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Tlaltecuhtli
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Posted - 2008.09.08 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tlaltecuhtli on 08/09/2008 22:36:47 rofl @ people bashing Blizzard, sounds like you're jealous. Just remember Blizz is one of the most succesful video game companies of all time.
Edit: yup EA sucks
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.09.09 02:18:00 -
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last good game blizzard made was starcraft.
blizzard is just an example of what happens when developers do not get rushed for release. All their games are polished very highly and thus are not painful to play. But they have not made an actual 'good game', since the 90s.
they are owned by vivendi by the way.
In a way vivendi plays the companies it owns against each other to try and develop internet fanboys so they can get everyone fanatically snared into their evil trap.
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cytomatrix
Caldari Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 1) NCsoft 2) NCsoft 3) NCsoft and 4) NCsoft
To any NCsoft employees reading this... YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID! *Shakes fist in air*
NCSoft NA. Korean ncsoft is fine. All the employees of NA NCSoft should be arrested and tortured to death. They spoiled a nice game. Second worst is SoE. Because of their shit game mechanics. ______________________________________________________________
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.09 08:17:00 -
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Codemasters are known to crank out a shit every now and then but occasionally they redeem themselves.
However, Midway and Ubisoft Montpellier are two absolute ballbags. Atari make some DIRE games, Alone in the Dark and Driver...
Can't say I join the EA hatred, they have a few good games, they do peddle the same shit over and over but thats generally just the fault of the tards that buy it.
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Chii Izaki
White Star Ltd Mjolnir Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow Any publisher that used starforce copy protection, so Ea and Ubisoft
This.
Also, SOE. Sure, they're easy to hate. Only ever played Planetside from them for any significant length of time (Year and a half.) After they royally boned it, you think it would've prevented me from purchasing and playing Vanguard. Wrong! Epic Fail on my part.
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Sulora
Amarr Eve Liberation Force Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:50:00 -
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1. Ubisoft ~ their addiction to starforce and for Rainbow 6 Vegas: 2. Vegas 2 was basically a $50 expansion.
2. SOE ~ Destroying EQ1, sucking in other potentially good mmo's like Vanguard then assigning two developers to acquired mmo's.
3. EA ~ exploiting cash cow franchises, no ingenuity.
4. Blizzard ~ for making me wait for Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2. ( I WANT THEM ON MY HD NOW!!!!!!!!!111!) ... !~!!!! ---------------------------------------------
Est Sularus Oth Mithas
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