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Bug	Posted - 2004.06.12 09:13:00 - [1] Are there any ore thieves who successfully operate in 0.0-0.4 space? I'm currently training up tactical shield manipulation, which got me thinking about a Badger MkII setup that could tank drone damage just long enough to make a run for it. Or alternatively you could fit 3-4 multispectrals and 1 Burst ECM to stop them (and their drones) from firing back altogether.
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2004.06.12 09:16:00 - [2] Hehe - good luck. When we operate in 0.4 and below, we usually have at least one heavily-armed Raven on patrol - should give a shield tanked Badger a run for its money Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
Bug	Posted - 2004.06.12 09:21:00 - [3] Good for you, however most people don't. I'd scan belts before entering them of course, that way you can even swap shield resistance mods acordingly.Thermal Vs Ogres, Kenetic Vs Wasps and so on. I'm just curious wether anyone else has thought of this before. :)
Old Winter	Posted - 2004.06.12 09:27:00 - [4] Good luck Bug, it has a lot more style about it than nicking the stuff in safe space. ---------------- There are no bugs just locked threads
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2004.06.12 09:44:00 - [5] Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 12/06/2004 09:44:58 I've used shield-tanked Badgers before, and the main problem you might run into is cap. You'll probably be running at least one 10Mn Afterburner to get to the can as quick as possible, and once the drones start attacking, you'll be busy repairing your shields too. The ECM option might be a better one, at least once they're jammed they're jammed, and you aren't taking a lot of hits. Once the new criminal 'flagging' comes into place, you'll have even more trouble - I'm sure they'll track you down mercilessly for being such a cheeky monkey Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2004.06.12 10:02:00 - [6] how to ore steal 0.4-0.0, get heavy armed gank squad to gank the miners, then have the indys haul in the minerals and use those minerals to build more ammo to gank more miners! Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2004.06.12 10:06:00 - [7] the only time I ever stole ore was based on me having nothing to do. I got to a .1 system where some guys were mining some Gneiss (back in the days when it could be found in empire) I pull up in a Badger MKII expecting a harrowing chase... they simply go "Hey the hauler is here, thank god" I made off with 6 loads before anyone noticed.
Kosan	Posted - 2004.06.12 13:59:00 - [8] i HATE griefers. Pirates i can deal with but griefers no. you do nothing but ruin the game for EVERYONE. sure ok pirates camping a gate, you lose a ship. BUT you have insurance and get MOST of your investment back. ore theiving is your working 3-4-5-6 hours on alot of ore and some ***** comes and takes it all, thats just BS. i will personally pod you every time i see you. thats the end of it you are nothnig but a griefer please develope a different skill, if thats what yuo wanna call it, in Eve or gky ----------------------------------------------- I saw god the other day. By the river on a rainey afternoon. He helped a kitten that was left all alone. Its a god that only I can see. A blackened angel that came down from the heavens just for me.
Bug	Posted - 2004.06.12 14:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Kosan i HATE griefers. Pirates i can deal with but griefers no. you do nothing but ruin the game for EVERYONE. sure ok pirates camping a gate, you lose a ship. BUT you have insurance and get MOST of your investment back. ore theiving is your working 3-4-5-6 hours on alot of ore and some ***** comes and takes it all, thats just BS. i will personally pod you every time i see you. thats the end of it you are nothnig but a griefer please develope a different skill, if thats what yuo wanna call it, in Eve or gky I love you too, sugarlips.
gallentia	Posted - 2004.06.12 15:39:00 - [10] Well bug what i usually do is kill the miners and their cover ships (you may need more than one person in this depending how good their cover is) then hual the ore in peace. i found that to be the most effective approach "Let's kick their ass and get the Hell out of here." --- General George Armstrong Custer "The supreme act of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting" --- Sun Tzu "Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually right." --- Henry Ford "There is no security in life, only opportunity." --- Mark Twain
Do'Si'Do Ho'Down	Posted - 2004.06.12 16:21:00 - [11] Looking at the majority concensus of this thread bug ( gank the miners , steal the stuff ) I can honestly say that one more asshat wont make a difference in low sec space , unless you really put the effort in
Korwin	Posted - 2004.06.12 16:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Bug Are there any ore thieves who successfully operate in 0.0-0.4 space? I'm currently training up tactical shield manipulation, which got me thinking about a Badger MkII setup that could tank drone damage just long enough to make a run for it. Or alternatively you could fit 3-4 multispectrals and 1 Burst ECM to stop them (and their drones) from firing back altogether. Great idea. I'm not really a fan of ore thieves, but in .4 and lower you're actually giving them a chance to retaliate, which I can definitely respect. Watch out for scramblers.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.06.12 17:48:00 - [13] as a ex miner gankker i can say that the whole point of ore nicking is to do it in safe space but in hope of free ogres u can always warp in and see thm run in panic in all direction at once usualy leaving they drones behind - and ofcorse some more retardet invidual that are trusting to good will of tempest that warp on belt and aproach while taking target lock on them, hoping it will not shoot it, stay so - usualy mining in 0.4 and 0.1 is not worth the reward only in 0.0 mining bisto or 0.5 minig kernite pays out so ... ore tifing in 0.4 is virtualy suicide in indy cause miners drones usualy got enought firepower to shoot you down -------------------------------------------
Toastmaster	Posted - 2004.06.12 20:12:00 - [14] Jump in with your BS kill the miner and loot thier ore "viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
CodeFreeze	Posted - 2004.06.12 23:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Toastmaster Jump in with your BS kill the miner and loot thier ore I would really like to see how an ore thief can deal with the torps, cruise, rails, ion blasters and other rather nasty weapons raining down upon them from my escort ship, a fully armed mega. Good luck m8 cos let's face it - you'll be rather in need of it boyo :)
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.06.13 00:08:00 - [16] As toast said.. get a proper BS in the miner belt.. take out the escort or even ransom em and steal their ore.. if u still feel its worth it.. I can tell u from experience that if u are gonna take the trouble finding miners and attacking em.. ransoming em will make a LOT more money they whatever ore they may be mining... --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2004.06.13 01:01:00 - [17] think back in 10kad we ganked a mining op of like 7 apoc's took us 3 indys abut 1 hour to haul it all in =) Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Kosan	Posted - 2004.06.13 01:07:00 - [18] Originally by: gallentia Well bug what i usually do is kill the miners and their cover ships (you may need more than one person in this depending how good their cover is) then hual the ore in peace. i found that to be the most effective approach that i can stand because thats what i do... i dont kill them to take their ore, i kill them to kill them then taket he ore if its there.. its just more loot ----------------------------------------------- I saw god the other day. By the river on a rainey afternoon. He helped a kitten that was left all alone. Its a god that only I can see. A blackened angel that came down from the heavens just for me.
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2004.06.13 05:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Xavier Cardde the only time I ever stole ore was based on me having nothing to do. I got to a .1 system where some guys were mining some Gneiss (back in the days when it could be found in empire) I pull up in a Badger MKII expecting a harrowing chase... they simply go "Hey the hauler is here, thank god" I made off with 6 loads before anyone noticed. Oh, man... that's the funniest thing I've read all day. I applaud you, good sir! ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.06.13 06:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Kosan i HATE griefers. Pirates i can deal with but griefers no. you do nothing but ruin the game for EVERYONE. sure ok pirates camping a gate, you lose a ship. BUT you have insurance and get MOST of your investment back. ore theiving is your working 3-4-5-6 hours on alot of ore and some ***** comes and takes it all, thats just BS. i will personally pod you every time i see you. thats the end of it you are nothnig but a griefer please develope a different skill, if thats what yuo wanna call it, in Eve or gky If you dont use a secure can, you are either; a) A greedy, lazy, ignorant miner that wants max profit for min risk and will whine like hell when someone that has a slightly higher IQ rating liberates his ore from him b) A smart miner who knows the risk vs reward system of mining and considers the risk when using jet cans, and doesnt whine when he loses his ore because he knows thats the risk he took. I believe you are classifed as the former. Screaming "GRIEFEEER" at the top of your voice at the people who take advantage of your greed does not make them griefers, and it does not make your point valid. There is no such thing as an "ore thief". There are secure cans, and jet cans. You know the ORIGINAL idea of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and go to a station to dump it before repeating. Jet mining is a player invention that speeds up normal mining, but since it gives the user a huge advantage it has its drawbacks too. I hope you understand that, although i doubt you will. Calling people "GRIEFERS!" when they manage to outsmart you or take advantage of your greed is much easier than trying to understand where you're doing wrong and fixing it. -
Ryctor	Posted - 2004.06.13 08:54:00 - [21] Vice is my freaking hero!
Massive	Posted - 2004.06.13 10:56:00 - [22] I normally go into a belt and ransom, then, pop their cans, so their hours of work have gone to waste, then tell them to have a nice day.
Bug	Posted - 2004.06.13 13:47:00 - [23] Man, i love Viceroy.He's like, the Raja of Pwnzbekistan. Remind me to escrow you a battleship someday. :) Anyway I've got my Badger fired up and ready to commit some GTA. (Grand Theft Asteroid) The reason why i don't 'just' gank miners is simple.. The miners would most certainly gank me back.The biggest combat ship i currently own is a puny Merlin. Atleast this gives me something to do whilst i wait for those all important skills to catch up with my ambitions. :)
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.06.13 15:36:00 - [24] If you mine into a can in low sec space, alone, you're effectively putting a big bullseye on yourself, and screaming "I'm here! Come get me !". Anybody can use the map and see that lone, greedy miner in the system, and if they are bored, they'll come looking for you. People are supposed to work together, for mutual protection. In case you haven't figured it out, that's why some animals roam in herds. Even zebras are smarter then greedy little miners.
Broc Vallion	Posted - 2004.06.14 05:41:00 - [25] A couple of points......... Firstly......I make most of my money mining ore...alone in low security space and sometimes in empire space. The first thing.....I see nothing wrong with people being able to steal ore........the same as I see nothing wrong with people being pirates.. Mining's boring enough but take away pirates and ore thiefs and it would be even worse!... Lastly.......to all the ore thiefs out there.....dont get ya knickers in a twist because people get upset when you steal there ore, ofcourse they are going to be upset... I look at it this way...the ore in a jetty can is mine, but if someone steals it well then, thats just part of the wonderfull game of Eve online I'm thinking about making a list of all the carebear miners in this game then one day when I "Turn Bad" I'm going to come and hunt them all down ...onnly thing is...........thats what carebear pirates do hmmffffff!
Adriana	Posted - 2004.06.14 06:12:00 - [26] I have no problem with ore thieves opperating in .4 and below personally. I don't like the sec hits I'll get blowing them up, but at least you get a chance to retaliate. I like the criminal flagging a whole lot more though. That will allow me to blow them up without taking sec hits, although I imagine I'd still take one for podding them, but I'd still have my ore. Of course if they do the flagging thing wrong it's going to be one of the most exploitable griefing tools around. People will head to noob belts and eject cans waiting for noobs to open them so they can grief them. So please keep that in mind CCP. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte
percepteur	Posted - 2004.06.14 13:59:00 - [27] Go ahead and have a try, I always mine in .0 space. But be ready to eat a LOT of damage from the support ships usually heavily armed BS's one almost always an EW ship and the other... Well you will find out the day you find me mining. /Perc
flummox	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Viceroy Originally by: Kosan i HATE griefers. Pirates i can deal with but griefers no. you do nothing but ruin the game for EVERYONE. sure ok pirates camping a gate, you lose a ship. BUT you have insurance and get MOST of your investment back. ore theiving is your working 3-4-5-6 hours on alot of ore and some ***** comes and takes it all, thats just BS. i will personally pod you every time i see you. thats the end of it you are nothnig but a griefer please develope a different skill, if thats what yuo wanna call it, in Eve or gky If you dont use a secure can, you are either; a) A greedy, lazy, ignorant miner that wants max profit for min risk and will whine like hell when someone that has a slightly higher IQ rating liberates his ore from him b) A smart miner who knows the risk vs reward system of mining and considers the risk when using jet cans, and doesnt whine when he loses his ore because he knows thats the risk he took. I believe you are classifed as the former. Screaming "GRIEFEEER" at the top of your voice at the people who take advantage of your greed does not make them griefers, and it does not make your point valid. There is no such thing as an "ore thief". There are secure cans, and jet cans. You know the ORIGINAL idea of mining was to mine into your CARGO HOLD and go to a station to dump it before repeating. Jet mining is a player invention that speeds up normal mining, but since it gives the user a huge advantage it has its drawbacks too. I hope you understand that, although i doubt you will. Calling people "GRIEFERS!" when they manage to outsmart you or take advantage of your greed is much easier than trying to understand where you're doing wrong and fixing it. but it is still wrong to steal. nothing you say will negate that. admit you are being a lazy person who profits off of a another's profit. you're like the office brownnose who always takes credit for others' work. don't get me wrong, viceroy, i'm not saying anything about game mechanics. i'm simply asking those who steal ore to admit they get off on other people's misery. aka, griefer... the King of Heat, flummox there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.06.14 16:03:00 - [29] Quote: but it is still wrong to steal. nothing you say will negate that. admit you are being a lazy person who profits off of a another's profit. you're like the office brownnose who always takes credit for others' work. don't get me wrong, viceroy, i'm not saying anything about game mechanics. i'm simply asking those who steal ore to admit they get off on other people's misery. aka, griefer... if stealing is wrong, and its griefing, so is killing, corp theft, espionage etc. in this case 90% of the EVE playerbase are griefers. EVE's description states that the EVE world will be full of thieves, spies, murderers and terrorists. and it has about this (\|---\|) much to do with taking credit for other peoples work. its taking advantage of other peoples greed and laziness, also known as being smart. i dont consider it wrong to take from people who cannot protect their own assets (omg pirate! :)) Your office brownose analogy is totally off track anyway. -
UltrA	Posted - 2004.06.14 16:17:00 - [30] well said vice, weve all lost ships to greed thats why its just better to fit accordingly your ship if your taking big risks and if it goes wrong then learn from your mistakes.

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