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Of Montreal Gallente The Sunshine Club	Posted - 2008.09.08 00:14:00 - [61] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Of Montreal I think what is rubbing me the wrong way about your posts is your assumptions that they are doing nothing, and they're selling us snake oil, and just general blanket statements like you have the whole situation figured out (like you're able to see right through CCP). He must be a fan of hallucinogens ... after all, I can see through people when I'm on them. Lol. Truth being said though, the community desperately needs an update from CCP regarding this. It's over-due. I agree with you 100%. It would be nice to know where they're at with it. Doesn't have to be an estimated time of when it will be ready but just a plain overview of something being accomplished. And maybe a picture of some proof they are working on it for all the skeptics.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.08 00:20:00 - [62] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 08/09/2008 00:21:29 Originally by: Doc Fury Originally by: Von Tease lag is caused by lots of people in a system Each system can only run on one server, Eve already runs bad ass powerfull servers They are reseaching in to tech that will allow the break down of systems between servers BUT!! this will only remove things like market and combat logs off the main system server but should improve performance. Lag is here to stay :/ move out of busy systems CCP does not currently run 1 server per system (and should), and has only been "researching" solutions, and not actually deploying any. Until CCP has a solution to put in place they need to start dedicating servers (nodes) to individual systems like they do with Jita, this would reduce the number of systems that share nodes and give the players breathing room until their "solution" is ready. he did say it the other way around today it felt like I was lagging a bit while moving through systems (guessing it was from loading the system for the first time (or first time in a long time) but right now missioning and hardly feel any lag. and solomon, gtfo of irjunen, it has been lagging balls there for a while now (yes I realize I am there too but stfu also I havent run a mission in quite a while now, or really done anything other than change skills on chainsaw)
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.09.08 00:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Of Montreal I think what is rubbing me the wrong way about your posts is your assumptions that they are doing nothing, and they're selling us snake oil, and just general blanket statements like you have the whole situation figured out (like you're able to see right through CCP). Well, it's not like CCP has lied to us before or anything. It's also not like I don't have any experience in these matters. I work actually developing high-end network and server hardware and while I probably don't have all the answers, I do have first hand experience in regard to how long projects such as this require and the kind (and quality) of talent you need to retain to make it remotely feasible. It also does not take a rocket scientist to see through to when CCP is being blatantly deceptive and/or evasive. Do you remember what CCP told the New York Times the CSM's primary purpose was? Have you noticed how LAG is pawned off in CCP news articles as "cosmic anomalies". Are you aware how many times CCP has stated the Draftsman Implants introduced over a year ago would be fixed "next patch"? (still not fixed) How long has CCP claimed they were working on improving the UI, and how long have they spent trying to hire someone actually qualified to do it? (job is still available: http://www.ccpgames.com/jobdetails.aspx?58) I could keep going here, but you probably get my point. I and others have asked CCP repeatedly and point-blank where they are with their supposed "infiniband upgrade" and have only been met with silence or evasion. This simply implies to me the emperor wears no clothes, and until I am presented with statements from CCP to the contrary, I feel completely justified in my position that there is no tangible progress in regards to the supposed "infiniband upgrade". CCP's core talent is simply busy elsewhere, they have already admitted that a significant amount of the core Dev team has moved over to work on WOD. Originally by: CCP Lingorn June 18, 2008: We are continuing to look into options to enable us to span multiple CPU cores Originally by: CCP Lingorn June 22, 2008: This is something we are looking into... Looking into != fixing anything. Lastly, posts in that thread by the QA department do not actually carry any weight or relevance, QA is not tasked with fixing anything. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.09.08 00:42:00 - [64] I can't tell the difference between genuine lag complaints and trolls anymore Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
Of Montreal Gallente The Sunshine Club	Posted - 2008.09.08 00:49:00 - [65] Originally by: Atomos Darksun I can't tell the difference between genuine lag complaints and trolls anymore You're right its starting to feel more like a troll. Regardless, these whine threads don't really accomplish anything, and my arguing with people about it (its in my nature ) isn't going to solve anything either. So if its that bad for you then stop playing until its fixed. If you feel CCP continues to lie to you then don't give them your money.
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.09.08 00:56:00 - [66] Originally by: Of Montreal If you feel CCP continues to lie to you then don't give them your money. You assume I actually pay for my sub. Whining and/or complaining has been repeatedly demonstrated to be the only way to facilitate change or improvements in EVE. I'm still hanging out to see if CCP can actually deliver on promises made back since RMR, or, until something better comes along, or I have to actually start paying money to "play". Otherwise, I would agree that it is starting to sound like trolling, which is NOT my intent. I just want CCP to stop stalling, making excuses and for them to make good on their many promises. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Xavieer Naidoo Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.08 01:05:00 - [67] Originally by: Vikarion But come to low-sec/0.0. Much less lag You are joking, right ?
Tiberius Maddox	Posted - 2008.09.08 01:09:00 - [68] Edited by: Tiberius Maddox on 08/09/2008 01:12:31 Edited by: Tiberius Maddox on 08/09/2008 01:11:13 If you run a company that provides services over the Internet, and paying customers cannot utilize said services because your network is incapable of providing the services you are charging customers for... you might want to consider doing any and everything possible to keep those customers informed about your efforts to solve the problem. That is absolute minimum customers should expect. I don't know if CCP falls into that category or not, but they ought to keep paying customers informed. Just ask AOL how they felt about losing multiple class action lawsuits because of lag on their network. AOL lost every one of those lawsuits. http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/aol/index.html?offset=60&s=oldest
Yon89 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.08 01:26:00 - [69] CCP as the saying goes "THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING" (omnomnomnom pudding) show us the clients of your product the proof of what you say you are doing for us. On behalf of the eve online customer base I believe that you CCP should provide some evidence of what you are working on and keep us informed better than what you have been on the issue of lag fixes and upcoming hardware changes. If you do not comply I will be forced to Pod you repeatedly back to jita to face the monster that is lag. Kkthnxbye yon89 ============= SIG SIG SIG
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors.	Posted - 2008.09.08 01:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Yon89 CCP as the saying goes "THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING" (omnomnomnom pudding) show us the clients of your product the proof of what you say you are doing for us. On behalf of the eve online customer base I believe that you CCP should provide some evidence of what you are working on and keep us informed better than what you have been on the issue of lag fixes and upcoming hardware changes. If you do not comply I will be forced to Pod you repeatedly back to jita to face the monster that is lag. Kkthnxbye yon89 SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO)
Yon89 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.08 01:40:00 - [71] Edited by: Yon89 on 08/09/2008 01:40:16 Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Yon89 CCP as the saying goes "THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING" (omnomnomnom pudding) show us the clients of your product the proof of what you say you are doing for us. On behalf of the eve online customer base I believe that you CCP should provide some evidence of what you are working on and keep us informed better than what you have been on the issue of lag fixes and upcoming hardware changes. If you do not comply I will be forced to Pod you repeatedly back to jita to face the monster that is lag. Kkthnxbye yon89 SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! SO SAY WE ALL! Indeed so say we all ============= SIG SIG SIG
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.08 01:52:00 - [72] Thank god someone finally pointed it out to them, I bet they weren't aware of it as a problem before some random nameless ***got posted a GD thread about it.
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors.	Posted - 2008.09.08 01:54:00 - [73] Originally by: My'kel An'jelo Thank god someone finally pointed it out to them, I bet they weren't aware of it as a problem before some random nameless ***got posted a GD thread about it. No I'm just pretty sure they don't give a shit. If one thing has been made apparent, CCP listens to whines. So if we whine loud enough, maybe they'll listen. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO)
Screaming Giggabytes Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.09.08 03:34:00 - [74] Originally by: Of Montreal Originally by: Atomos Darksun I can't tell the difference between genuine lag complaints and trolls anymore You're right its starting to feel more like a troll. Regardless, these whine threads don't really accomplish anything, and my arguing with people about it (its in my nature ) isn't going to solve anything either. So if its that bad for you then stop playing until its fixed. If you feel CCP continues to lie to you then don't give them your money. Obviously the tears of carebears have made CCP get more and more fluffy bunny like, so maybe, these whines get listened to as well. I doubt it because fixing their code is hard, unlike nerfing highsec, but hey let a guy dream.
b1zz	Posted - 2008.09.08 04:26:00 - [75] Originally by: Solomon XI No I'm just pretty sure they don't give a shit. If one thing has been made apparent, CCP listens to whines. So if we whine loud enough, maybe they'll listen. You've been given a link to the Infiniband thread. There's plenty of info in there from the devs on what they are doing. Do a search on the subject and you'll find some discussion, on what it will do and what it won't do. No doubt there will be more revealed on the subject during this year's Fanfest. I'm sure roll-out dates will be forthcoming once they've progressed enough to be confident of meeting a date, which most punters will add a few months too anyway knowing the industry. If the lag you've experienced is too much to bear, and you're convinced they are doing nothing despite the evidence given, I don't see the point of continuing this thread. Save us the drama-queen theatrics and go play some other game.
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors.	Posted - 2008.09.08 05:13:00 - [76] The updates in the thread are old. Maybe if you read this thread a bit, you'll understand that is so far the general consensus. What we want is a progress report of some kind. Maybe an ESTIMATED idea of when we can MAYBE see some improvements. We want a PROGRESS REPORT and as paying customers, we have the right to ask for one. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO)
Kaivos Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.08 06:53:00 - [77] Originally by: Solomon XI The lag. It's severe. Instead of nerfing something else ... why not FIX THE LAG once in for all before you release another damn patch? You want to improve the game and make customers happier? Do something we have been BEGGING YOU TO DO for the last two years. FIX THE LAG. Your company makes enough money to increase the number of servers you guys have. I am sure you can even increase the out-going bandwidth. Debug the client. FIX THE LAG! Don't release another patch until you do. Here is a quote from the last patch notes: "Database Optimizations and Improvements * Many database improvements and optimizations have been added to benefit players in many ways, ranging from a better and more efficient development environment on our side to a leaner and faster database on Tranquilty. * The database will now generate population statistics from systems with more than 5 players at any given time. This information will be used to analyze load balancing in heavily populated areas. * Improvements have been made during the start up of Tranquility. These changes minimize the risk of start up problems, reduces the chances of a restart in case of failure and allows us to preload more solar systems. * More analysis data will be collected in order to allow us to investigate reports of disconnects to improve player experience. " They are working on it.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.09.08 06:54:00 - [78] EVE has lag? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
coeathal vega Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.08 07:45:00 - [79] Edited by: coeathal vega on 08/09/2008 07:45:53 Edited by: coeathal vega on 08/09/2008 07:45:49 Edited by: coeathal vega on 08/09/2008 07:45:29 I vote to implement a new 'feature'.... random lag in missions.. NOW THAT WILL GET CCP WORKING! ninja edit, to the genius that said '0.0 has less lag' - get a clue and actually undock pls. ----
Cryxx Minmatar Blindsight Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.08 07:52:00 - [80] Originally by: Sheriff Jones EVE has lag? To be honest I havent seen any real lag, don't know where people get this from, I had a lil bit in jita and thats about it. ---------------------------------------------- I like to loot it loot it
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.08 08:04:00 - [81] I don't see whats so hard about going into EveServerStuffs.ini and setting Lag = 0. It is that simple isn't it? Join Kinda'Shujaa
Devon Hunt Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.09.08 10:15:00 - [82] Guys, lag can't be solved in the actual game status. Not with the actual technology. CCP knows that but they can't admit it, it would be the end of EvE. Don't hope for CCP answer in any threads about lag, you won't get one. They made some mistakes in early game development that can't be rolled back. What do you say, would you agree to eliminate missiles and drones/fighters from the game and to replace them with other instant hitting weapons that don't need trajectory tracking? If the answer is yes, then the question remains if CCP is willing to propose such a dramatic change. I think not, so the Eve will die slowly under the burden of fleet battles and hundred of ratters in some systems.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.08 10:23:00 - [83] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton and solomon, gtfo of irjunen, it has been lagging balls there for a while now Hey! Both of you get out of my LP fountain, dammit! I almost got into armour on some mission the other day, and I'm certain it's all your fault!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.08 10:56:00 - [84] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: 5pinDizzy To be honest, I was in nullsec by myself exploring not an hour ago, and I it was bugging up with lag there, I ended up having to force close due to getting stuck on solar system map view. In a system by myself. I'd say somethings gone wrong. That sounds a lot like client-side lag...I've had a bit of that myself recently - not sure what to do about it... cache clearing and defragmentation help quite a bit there actually. As does fiddling with the graphics cache size. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Aclyn Seriy Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.09.08 11:34:00 - [85] Ha Ha Ha. What a bunch of whining SOB's. If you don't like lag, stay away from EVE. Originally by: techzer0 I'm the failboat captain
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:09:00 - [86] Originally by: Aclyn Seriy Ha Ha Ha. What a bunch of whining SOB's. If you don't like lag, stay away from EVE. exactly. furthermore, what kind of crap computers you running, ? whats your connection like? theres alot more to lag than just CCP, idiots. playing EVE from Canada I rarely notice any lag, cept for my once a month trip to Jita and the occasional gate lag, but its not that bad. if you dont like the game flock off. Please, jump into traffic
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:18:00 - [87] Edited by: Steve Hawkings on 08/09/2008 12:19:50 The lag will always be there and its not possioble to fix it, Everytime they do improve load on certain systems, more people just go there so it gets worse again. Only way to escape it is to not go to the laggy systems. To all those people that think its just a case of new cpus or more bandwidth/servers LOL. Either go elsewhere (no other game supports 30k concurrent users on one server with no lag) or put up with it.
heheheh PedoHamma	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:26:00 - [88] Only lag i get nowadays is when i go to jita or a sheep farm (mission hub), Sensible PVPers that dont want lag just stay away from fleet fights so any guess what the PVEers should do to avoid it, il give you a clue, its an easy straightforward solution ! Do you not think they would have fixed the lag if they could, without re writing the game ?
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:26:00 - [89] Originally by: James Lyrus Lag is a social problem, not a technical one - there is no way to solve the problem of getting a given number of users all able to interact with each other, in such a way that scales linearly as you increase numbers. As much as my pity is low for people still missioning in Motsu or Dodixie now that you can suffer from heavy lag in any system with less than 5 in local I have to agree with the pitchfork crowd that something got to change. Or do you mean logging in and playing the game you pay for is a social problem? -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:28:00 - [90] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: James Lyrus Lag is a social problem, not a technical one - there is no way to solve the problem of getting a given number of users all able to interact with each other, in such a way that scales linearly as you increase numbers. As much as my pity is low for people still missioning in Motsu or Dodixie now that you can suffer from heavy lag in any system with less than 5 in local I have to agree with the pitchfork crowd that something got to change. Or do you mean logging in and playing the game you pay for is a social problem? No the problem is that 100 people in 1 system cause a lot more lag than 100 people spread over 10 systems CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

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