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Moric Longshanks	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:09:00 - [151] Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Twice the argument of 'buying minerals on the market' is offered. I thought of making an Oompa Loompa rhyme for that one. Instead, I'm thinking of what Dorothy said to the scarecrow: "What would you do with a brain if you had one?" How do you think the minerals reach the market? Osmosis? What would I do with brain if I had one? Hmm . . . I would probably use it to point out the fact the apparently there are some miners out there smart enough to make it back to high sec with their cargo. Since this is the case, you don't personally "need" to go to low sec. Somebody better will do it for you, and you will pay him for it.
Abulurd Boniface	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:25:00 - [152] Originally by: Moric Longshanks Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Twice the argument of 'buying minerals on the market' is offered. I thought of making an Oompa Loompa rhyme for that one. Instead, I'm thinking of what Dorothy said to the scarecrow: "What would you do with a brain if you had one?" How do you think the minerals reach the market? Osmosis? What would I do with brain if I had one? Hmm . . . I would probably use it to point out the fact the apparently there are some miners out there smart enough to make it back to high sec with their cargo. Since this is the case, you don't personally "need" to go to low sec. Somebody better will do it for you, and you will pay him for it. "All too easy" [Darth Vader]
LS Sledgehammer Diablo Advocatus Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.23 21:16:00 - [153] I rarely demand a ransom, but when I do I pop them anyway, cause I'm a c**t. But still sleep sound at night
Avalaren	Posted - 2008.09.24 00:24:00 - [154] Edited by: Avalaren on 24/09/2008 00:28:36 I retract my statement. This isnt worth the time to argue over. lawl
Seth McKenzee Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.24 00:37:00 - [155] Morale/Solution of this whole thread, scout + scanner ='s win. Otherwise don't cry and whine about 2 minute self destruct counters and denying us pirates our loot. Its called 'low-sec' for a reason and upon entering it you leave the lovely land of sunshine and rainbows you carebears so endear. IMHO this thread fails to deliver pay your ransom if you get crapped on post it in C&P don't generalize the whole pirate population of Eve because of one douchebag. Seth McKenzee CEO of Surge.
O'CRUNK	Posted - 2008.09.24 04:37:00 - [156] 1) Set the pirate and his corp to red. Next time you know to avoid them like the plague. See red minus in local = time to leave. i like this tip, ty
Capt Willard Section Nine	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:39:00 - [157] The uncertainty of ransoming etc is a great part of Eve, another 'feature' that makes the sense of society more realistic. This post was written by someone who seems to care about spelling and grammer etc, and smells emo to extent i almost think it's a parody, then remember this is sci-fi, and the class of geek it atracts. To the OP: Yes eve is somewhere that does provide the gaming equivilent of getting a wedgie or your lunch money stolen, and we like it. P.S My daddies legal team could beat up your daddies legal team The Horror......
Saniyya Najat	Posted - 2008.09.24 19:26:00 - [158] Edited by: Saniyya Najat on 24/09/2008 19:33:45 Originally by: Moric Longshanks Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Twice the argument of 'buying minerals on the market' is offered. I thought of making an Oompa Loompa rhyme for that one. Instead, I'm thinking of what Dorothy said to the scarecrow: "What would you do with a brain if you had one?" How do you think the minerals reach the market? Osmosis? What would I do with brain if I had one? Hmm . . . I would probably use it to point out the fact the apparently there are some miners out there smart enough to make it back to high sec with their cargo. Since this is the case, you don't personally "need" to go to low sec. Somebody better will do it for you, and you will pay him for it. ...so pirates don't have mining alts? My mining alt has had some (limited) experience in low sec mining.....always with a group of BS and other various ships. Also, much of the high-end ore is also available through exploration. While it is certainly probable that some miners are good enough to sneak into low sec and mine, I would be more likely to believe that pirate corps run their own mining ops. nice try though ps....to Seth, The generalization of an experience w/one pirate to many would seem to be similar to your comment about carebears. Oh the irony. Since pirates are whining about how deserted low sec is I would say that you all have the ability (given the sandbox nature of this game) to police yourselves to a larger extent. You all are whining so you all can fix the problem. If a trip into low sec was worth my time and isk I would go. I would even pay handsomely for the chance to mine or mission in low sec. My problem with trusting pirates to honor a ransom has to do with the number of pirates I have met. Doesn't take more than one or two un-honored ransoms to show a loss on any economic endeavor. I know its hard to have to rely on carebears for your entertainment and profit, but many of you do. Don't blame the herd, learn how to manipulate the herd.
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2008.09.25 04:57:00 - [159] Are you r3tarded? Well...anyways obvious troll is obvious even if a bit on the stupid side... As stated many times in this thread. Only a small fration of people dishonor ransoms. Do me a favor and stop trying to ruin our payouts.
Saniyya Najat	Posted - 2008.09.25 16:06:00 - [160] Originally by: Karrade Krise Are you r3tarded? Well...anyways obvious troll is obvious even if a bit on the stupid side... As stated many times in this thread. Only a small fration of people dishonor ransoms. Do me a favor and stop trying to ruin our payouts. Not sure if your talking to me or one of the posters above me. Since my post is closest I will retort. Since there are no numbers to quote your assertion is empty supposition. I am not claiming to know anything about pirate behavior beyond my own experience. I have been ransomed on occasion and while many pirates honored the deal they made others have not. There was even a group of pirates that would only ransom pods. Carebears aren't ruining your sweet payout, your own fellow pirates are. I will state my main point one last time (just in case). If going to low-sec paid off for me I would gladly risk the ships to go there. Simply put, if I get ransomed two or three times, or if I loose more than two or three ships I will show a loss on that particular endeavor. I understand that many of you can loose dozens of ships and not feel it in the wallet too bad. I, however, cannot. No big pay-out, no leaving high-sec. You want me to join you in low-sec then you all figure out a way to do it. Nerfing lvl 4 missions won't do it. I can still make the money I need and not have to run the risk of losing isk in low-sec. Simply put, pirates need to stop claiming that ransoms are a sure thing, 'cause they are not. Make all the claims you want, I know better from experience.
Bluetippedflyer	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:15:00 - [161] i've always honoured ransoms. In the end i'm saving you isk from buying a new ship. Please thank me next time it happens to you and be glad a ransom is even offered.
Saniyya Najat	Posted - 2008.09.26 01:42:00 - [162] Originally by: Bluetippedflyer i've always honoured ransoms. In the end i'm saving you isk from buying a new ship. Please thank me next time it happens to you and be glad a ransom is even offered. Wow, I could have made my point w/an alt but this is better. thx
Caveat Empt0r	Posted - 2008.09.26 23:07:00 - [163] Don't go into low sec. /thread
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2008.09.27 04:28:00 - [164] Originally by: Saniyya Najat Originally by: Karrade Krise Are you r3tarded? Well...anyways obvious troll is obvious even if a bit on the stupid side... As stated many times in this thread. Only a small fration of people dishonor ransoms. Do me a favor and stop trying to ruin our payouts. Not sure if your talking to me or one of the posters above me. Since my post is closest I will retort. Since there are no numbers to quote your assertion is empty supposition. I am not claiming to know anything about pirate behavior beyond my own experience. I have been ransomed on occasion and while many pirates honored the deal they made others have not. There was even a group of pirates that would only ransom pods. Carebears aren't ruining your sweet payout, your own fellow pirates are. I will state my main point one last time (just in case). If going to low-sec paid off for me I would gladly risk the ships to go there. Simply put, if I get ransomed two or three times, or if I loose more than two or three ships I will show a loss on that particular endeavor. I understand that many of you can loose dozens of ships and not feel it in the wallet too bad. I, however, cannot. No big pay-out, no leaving high-sec. You want me to join you in low-sec then you all figure out a way to do it. Nerfing lvl 4 missions won't do it. I can still make the money I need and not have to run the risk of losing isk in low-sec. Simply put, pirates need to stop claiming that ransoms are a sure thing, 'cause they are not. Make all the claims you want, I know better from experience. Bah, you gotta be kidding me...wrote a ridiculously long post...and Internet explorer decides to take a dump on it....grrrrr.. Anyways....I was refferring to the OP. Dang it this would have been a good post too
Ji Sama Caldari Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.09.27 05:10:00 - [165] i just wanna say that i have personally been ransomed more than 5 times, and every time the pirates have honored thier ransom. most of the time, the pew pew players i meet, say NO to ransom, and just blow my ship up.... but the ones agreeing, hold their bargain imo.-! "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play" FORUM USE
Juan Ignacio	Posted - 2008.09.27 05:46:00 - [166] jeez guys why talk to much about the same thing. I been playing this game for like 8 months and i been a pirate since i started ... well for like 5 months ..and even i know this .. nub piwate = not honour ransom ( becouse he is so mad for kills and got blow up so many times that well he is a nub).. smart piwate = honour ransom ( becouse that little raven got corpmates that can be next ransoms ) My corpmates and me just blow up the ship and ransom the pod .. the other day we ransomed a pod of a NH .. for 100mil and the dude gave us another 100mil cuz was the 1st time that he get ransomed and not blowed up.So it just depend what pirate u find.. you have the choice of paying the ransom anyway or not .. most of the pirates dont care if can get money from your ship/pod .. Duuuuuuuuuude victims??? you get a little warning b4 entering low sec, so you know what u dealing with.. there is no victims in this game maybe those who are like in trial but most of the ppl know . Also Victims have the choice of getting other victims and making a huge blob of victims and kill the bad piwat. But nooo u guys are so mad about making money that dont have time to kill the "opressor" or watever u guys call it lolx. I read b4 that pirates said that we were criminals / scammers/ f*****s (well maybe we are criminals :D ) .. duuuuuuuude we just blow up ships thats all .. the worst criminal actions are in higth sec. Well sorry for my spelling english is not my 1st lenguage so who cares :D pd = Cpt branko i remember you !!! you killed my mining badger in tama !!! becouse of u i turned to piwat .. ty for blowing me up lolx
Eljar Kjeldsson Caldari Modern-Warfare	Posted - 2008.09.27 06:58:00 - [167] boniface is now KOS just to **** em off ^ \| thats supposed to say I WANT YOU FOR MODERN WARFARE with uncle sam on it but its stuffed up
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.27 13:12:00 - [168] Originally by: Juan Ignacio pd = Cpt branko i remember you !!! you killed my mining badger in tama !!! becouse of u i turned to piwat .. ty for blowing me up lolx Oh, my god, I remember. Badger and Hulk mining in Tama VI-1, I was 100% sure it was bait and 5 cloaked recons were going to uncloak and massacre me, but I couldn't resist giving it a shot. Turned out it was legitimate miners, in Tama VI-1 of all the places (which was, at the time, a "here be bait ships" belt). Nice to see I helped another pilot discover the joys of EvE piracy How are things going for you? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Moya81	Posted - 2008.09.27 19:07:00 - [169] Edited by: Moya81 on 27/09/2008 19:09:01 Edited by: Moya81 on 27/09/2008 19:08:17 Ok i stopped reading this thread after page 2 simply because the discussion was moving in circles and not bringing up anything really interesting. As to the discussion about ransoms being honored or not etc etc I simply wonder what would happen if we pirates wich you guys ***** about simply stopped asking for ransoms? Thus not giving anyone no matter what you're flying or transporting a chance to survive. No big deal heh? Our corp honors ransoms but has simply stopped asking for them, we now simply kill anything that enters our territory. Believe it or not, some people would have favoured being given the chance to save their ships and pods, and where surprised we didn't give them a chance to. If our policy would happen to spread to other pirate corps, what are you guys going to be complaining about in the forums then? I have a pretty good idea what the subject will be...
Cybele Lanier Amarr The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.28 11:19:00 - [170] Originally by: Candice Dice Never pay the "Ransom", go down fighting and just accept the loss, better to die on your feet than be stabbed in the back on your knees and let's face it, the whole, 'we honour ransoms' to be mostly bullshit since they always find a 'loophole' or reason not to pay which usually ends up with an e-peen thread on whine and punishment. Best play on this I saw (in Local, while doing something else) was: "Okay, pay us fifty million and we won't blow up your carrier." "Okay, okay! Here's the money." "Oh sorry, I meant fifty million for each of us. Didn't I mention that? I think I mentioned that." "WTF?! I don't have that." "Too bad." (boom) --------------- ""Minimum collateral damage" and "Entire star system" do not belong in the same sentence."
Abulurd Boniface	Posted - 2008.09.28 15:16:00 - [171] Originally by: Eljar Kjeldsson boniface is now KOS just to **** em off An interesting development. I am a student of humanity. A life long interest of mine. What specific aspect of my participation in this discussion triggers this reaction? I am genuinely curious. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO
Abulurd Boniface	Posted - 2008.09.28 15:40:00 - [172] Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 28/09/2008 15:40:43 Originally by: Karrade Krise Originally by: Saniyya Najat Originally by: Karrade Krise Are you r3tarded? ]. Bah, you gotta be kidding me...wrote a ridiculously long post...and Internet explorer decides to take a dump on it....grrrrr.. Anyways....I was refferring to the OP. Dang it this would have been a good post too Try this: type your post in Notepad, save it to MyDocuments, copy/paste it into a forum text field. When something goes wrong, a common event, you can recall your text instantly and you didn't spend all that time crafting a good argument just to see it sent to /dev/null. Just a friendly suggestion. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.29 04:23:00 - [173] This is a troll thread anyway. "Victims of ransoming", rubbish! We're doing people a favour in letting them keep their stuff / implants in compensation for a small financial reward Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Salen Kane	Posted - 2008.09.29 12:26:00 - [174] Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Apparently some concepts have a hard time sinking in. It is not about honorable pirates versus dishonorable pirates. It is not about the pirates. It is about the right to say "no" to the oppressor. Having an effective self-destruct mechanism in place that robs the pirate of the prize is a choice the victim makes for themselves. Being denied the option means they can only stand in the corner with their hat in their hand, baas Ganzendonk style, and say please and thank you and 'can I go now, please?' The reason why the self-destruct mechanism was rendered useless, it turns out, is that too many people used it, thereby depriving the pirate of the prize. Because the pirate learned a lesson about the human condition: that people, if given the choice, would rather say "kust gij ne kier dik mijn kluuten, smeerlap" than to bow down and give in to their bullies. And the pirates can't have that, and CCP appears to be of the same opinion. See how effective piracy would be if people had the ability to deny the pirate the prize, how many people don't care about the honor-among-thieves and rather leave with nothing than to hand it over. It is not about honoring ransoms, it is about the fact that it's not the pirate's stuff and they can't have it and the only way for the pirate to inflict themselves upon people is to whine at CCP's doorstep to take away the one tool for the victim to say "From Hell's heart I stab at thee" and rather lose everything than to part with anything. I shall strive to restore the self-destruct mechanism to useful functionality: to violently, instantaneously and without warning beforehand destroy the space frame and its contents and render it unsalvageable. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO I can really picture this guy (who in my mind is a slightly overweight emo kid, but that's just my imagination) shouting "From hells heart I stab at thee!" and "Death to the oppressors!" as his ships gets blown up. I never actually tried any piracy, but now I feel tempted! However, being a victim is NOT the only option here. You could get some friends and fight back. Might require more effort than dedicating your life to getting the self destruct mechanisms changed, though. On a side note, I find it amusing with all these pirate corps saying "we always honor randsoms and anyone not doing so will get kicked out" because its so obvious that any corp that does NOT honor randsoms would say exactly the same thing. Oh, and it has been said before but it can be said again: dont fly it unless you can afford to lose it.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.09.29 13:12:00 - [175] Originally by: Salen Kane On a side note, I find it amusing with all these pirate corps saying "we always honor randsoms and anyone not doing so will get kicked out" because its so obvious that any corp that does NOT honor randsoms would say exactly the same thing. No, not really that obvious. Many of those who don't honor them usually admit it freely on the forums - they know exactly that most of their potential victims do not read it anyway. See here for example...
Abulurd Boniface	Posted - 2008.09.29 15:45:00 - [176] Originally by: Salen Kane Originally by: Abulurd Boniface I can really picture this guy (who in my mind is a slightly overweight emo kid, but that's just my imagination) shouting "From hells heart I stab at thee!" and "Death to the oppressors!" as his ships gets blown up. I never actually tried any piracy, but now I feel tempted! However, being a victim is NOT the only option here. You could get some friends and fight back. Might require more effort than dedicating your life to getting the self destruct mechanisms changed, though. On a side note, I find it amusing with all these pirate corps saying "we always honor randsoms and anyone not doing so will get kicked out" because its so obvious that any corp that does NOT honor randsoms would say exactly the same thing. Oh, and it has been said before but it can be said again: dont fly it unless you can afford to lose it. I will send you a million ISK in game to get a better imagination. Whatever you are using to serve the purpose is sorely lacking. Trust me, I know these things. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO
Salen Kane	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:58:00 - [177] From the bowels of hell, your sarcasm fails.
Abulurd Boniface	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:14:00 - [178] Originally by: Salen Kane From the bowels of hell, your sarcasm fails. The money is in your wallet. I doubt a million will cover your needs. Consider it a first step. And by all means, do keep going. You have a ways to cover. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO
Eljar Kjeldsson Caldari Modern-Warfare	Posted - 2008.09.30 06:07:00 - [179] Originally by: Salen Kane Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Apparently some concepts have a hard time sinking in. It is not about honorable pirates versus dishonorable pirates. It is not about the pirates. It is about the right to say "no" to the oppressor. Having an effective self-destruct mechanism in place that robs the pirate of the prize is a choice the victim makes for themselves. Being denied the option means they can only stand in the corner with their hat in their hand, baas Ganzendonk style, and say please and thank you and 'can I go now, please?' The reason why the self-destruct mechanism was rendered useless, it turns out, is that too many people used it, thereby depriving the pirate of the prize. Because the pirate learned a lesson about the human condition: that people, if given the choice, would rather say "kust gij ne kier dik mijn kluuten, smeerlap" than to bow down and give in to their bullies. And the pirates can't have that, and CCP appears to be of the same opinion. See how effective piracy would be if people had the ability to deny the pirate the prize, how many people don't care about the honor-among-thieves and rather leave with nothing than to hand it over. It is not about honoring ransoms, it is about the fact that it's not the pirate's stuff and they can't have it and the only way for the pirate to inflict themselves upon people is to whine at CCP's doorstep to take away the one tool for the victim to say "From Hell's heart I stab at thee" and rather lose everything than to part with anything. I shall strive to restore the self-destruct mechanism to useful functionality: to violently, instantaneously and without warning beforehand destroy the space frame and its contents and render it unsalvageable. Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO I can really picture this guy (who in my mind is a slightly overweight emo kid, but that's just my imagination) shouting "From hells heart I stab at thee!" and "Death to the oppressors!" as his ships gets blown up. I never actually tried any piracy, but now I feel tempted! However, being a victim is NOT the only option here. You could get some friends and fight back. Might require more effort than dedicating your life to getting the self destruct mechanisms changed, though. On a side note, I find it amusing with all these pirate corps saying "we always honor randsoms and anyone not doing so will get kicked out" because its so obvious that any corp that does NOT honor randsoms would say exactly the same thing. Oh, and it has been said before but it can be said again: dont fly it unless you can afford to lose it. lol Where did u get "From hells heart I stab at thee!". If you want the self destruct timing changed go ***** to the ccp staff and not to us and why has the op guy gone quiet? ^ \| thats supposed to say I WANT YOU FOR MODERN WARFARE with uncle sam on it but its stuffed up
Su Ra	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:56:00 - [180] 1) There are too many variables. If they have you scrambled and webbed and demand ransom. Whats to say they won't blow your ship up after you pay? They are pirates afterall. There are only a few "pirates" who do that.... Most will stick to their word... cos they can catch u again later :) . http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7643561.stm Why not read up on RL pirates ?

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