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thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:06:00 - [1] Never pay ransom! Fight to the bitter end! 1) There are too many variables. If they have you scrambled and webbed and demand ransom. Whats to say they won't blow your ship up after you pay? They are pirates afterall. 2) Your ransom directly funds pirate activity, don't pay and watch em squirm with just whatever mods you drop, if any. 3) Never, ever, smack talk, or whine in local, it fuels their rather low self esteem in RL. They are fond of mentioning that carebear tears fuel their POS (read self esteem). Nothing will be more confusing and irritating than a silent victim. Note they will typically open up a private chat for ransom. Your response should be 2 words: "fug off." Nothing more. Some tips for everyone! 1) Set the pirate and his corp to red. Next time you know to avoid them like the plague. See red minus in local = time to leave. 2) Fly insured T1 ships. Let them blow you up. They get nothing. You get insurance payout! 3) Jump clones FTW! 4) On board ship scanner FTW! So in short: NEVER PAY RANSOM! Stiffle the flow of big isk to the pirate "economy" which will consist of rats and 'roids only. And I'm not just talking about asteroids... the 'roids they will get from sitting around in local for hours waiting for a victim once more people become more educated about dealing with pirates. By not paying ransom you can rest assure your dignity is still intact, and they got nothing from you save a few random mods from your ship. FLAME AWAY! I take pride that this post will **** off many and cause them to waste more collective man hours responding to this than the 5 minutes it took me to write this.
ponieus the united	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:08:00 - [2] Real Pirates always honor their ransoms. Do not lump in real pirates with the wanna be's out there. Thats like saying all 0.0 alliances are crap like the NC.. Kinda dont make sense now does it.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:16:00 - [3] shoudl always get info on the corp befroe you pay ransom, see if they are trustworthy ________________________ I'M POOR
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:26:00 - [4] Originally by: thisisnotanalt FLAME AWAY! I take pride that this post will **** off many and cause them to waste more collective man hours responding to this than the 5 minutes it took me to write this I think you're overestimating the effect your poorly written and frankly inaccurate post will have on the world of EVE. hint: people will still pay ransoms hint2: people who are likely to be ransomed, don't read C+P hint3: get out
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:42:00 - [5] lol Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:56:00 - [6] ROFLMAO Nobody reads what I wrote. I did not lump pirates into a category. I simply said, do not pay ransom and offered tips regarding this. Please! For the love of whatever you hold dear, if you're going to insult my writing ability, use proper grammar. Complete sentences, capitalization and punctuation go a long way in making you sound more credible than a keyboard mashing chimpanzee. Grammar tanking FTW!
Cyphah	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:06:00 - [7] Hmm. So... grammar tanking eh? I hope you don't "stiffle" your screams when I find you in low sec. I might "stiffle" your warp drive, y'see, and then "stiffle" your propulsion, and then "stiffle" your ability to breath. Yeah, two can play at grammar ****. I think you might've forgotten the rules though eh kupo?
Cyphah	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Cyphah on 08/09/2008 19:09:11 PS It's "stifle". PPS Only accuse people of having imperfect grammar (or spelling) if you are assured of your own perfection.
Jarek Switchblade The Bastards	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:15:00 - [9] Quote: Never pay ransom! Fight to the bitter end! Now this is what I don't understand, and, imo, it destroys your whole argument instantly. I mean, if you stand a chance against the pirates, fair play. If you're hopelessly dying though, what's the point? See the story below - A while back we had a guy that thought like this, he was flying a ship that was, if I remember correctly, worth 150 mil - 100 of that was mods. He was offered a TOTAL ransom of 50 mil, but he steadfastedly declined. Since there were several of us attacking him, the 50 mil wouldn't have "funded more piracy" that much anyway between us, and instead he popped and lost all that cash...much of which dropped and was worth much more than the ransom asked. The result? Good times for us, and very bad times for him. We now regularly ship-scan our targets while ransoming, to ensure fair ransoms. And as ALWAYS, The Bastards personally honour ransoms - in threads like these, its pretty much mandatory to say. So yeah, I've said it once and I'll say it again, if the guy who is ransoming you is a nervous fool that seems to scream obscenities into chat and smack like a idiot, paying up isn't clever. If you're being ransomed by the real deal, it is often in your best interests to pay, regardless of whether "more piracy" is funded or not - your attackers will get cash anyway, and will not hesitate to kill you...plus if you're smart and you pay up, you will likely save a great deal of time and not get caught next time, as you will be aware of the dangers if you are smart. Also, you say you are not tarring us all with the same immature, inaccurate brush, but then you go and throw out stuff like - Quote: Whats to say they won't blow your ship up after you pay? They are pirates afterall. Well, comments like that show a distinct ignorance, or a poor experience with nub wannabes in the past. Show the profession some respect, and maybe people will respond in kind to you too
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Cyphah Yeah, two can play at grammar ****. I think you might've forgotten the rules though eh kupo? To be honest, he never mentioned proper spelling. We're Recruiting!
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:28:00 - [11] Originally by: thisisnotanalt ROFLMAO Nobody reads what I wrote. I did not lump pirates into a category. I simply said, do not pay ransom and offered tips regarding this. Please! For the love of whatever you hold dear, if you're going to insult my writing ability, use proper grammar. Complete sentences, capitalization and punctuation go a long way in making you sound more credible than a keyboard mashing chimpanzee. Grammar tanking FTW! Hello. I believe if you check my posting history and my alt's posting history then you'll actually find out that the lower case typing is an affectation for when I'm feeling particularly lazy in my burns. But impressive, you managed to completely avoid the content/points in my post, major props. Come back once you've managed to compose a valid and coherent argument against my points rather than going "LOL YOU HAVEN'T CAPITALISED YOUR LETTERS SO MY POINT OF VIEW IS MORE VALID!!!!!!!!" Love, Nexus PS Originally by: thisisnotanalt Nobody reads what I wrote. This should be in the past tense, nice one champ.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:28:00 - [12] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/09/2008 19:29:59 Originally by: thisisnotanalt 1) There are too many variables. If they have you scrambled and webbed and demand ransom. Whats to say they won't blow your ship up after you pay? They are pirates afterall. What's to say they will? They're pirates afterall, it's a money-making activity for them. You get the boot out of any respectable pirate corp if you dishonour ransoms. Originally by: thisisnotanalt 2) Your ransom directly funds pirate activity, don't pay and watch em squirm with just whatever mods you drop, if any. Don't pay and lose all you have. It hits you much harder then it hits the pirate. Originally by: thisisnotanalt 3) Never, ever, smack talk, or whine in local, it fuels their rather low self esteem in RL. They are fond of mentioning that carebear tears fuel their POS (read self esteem). Nothing will be more confusing and irritating than a silent victim. Note they will typically open up a private chat for ransom. Your response should be 2 words: "fug off." Nothing more. Rubbish. If the victim stays silent, fine. If the victim whines/etc, it's funny, but also fine. I'm after their stuff, after all. If a victim says 'fck off' in response to a ransom demand, well, OK, then they die and I scoop their corpse if I was ransoming the pod. Now, can you please point out to your lossmail which made you so ***ed off at pirates that you demand the rest of EvE to nerf themselves in order to enact your revenge on pirates? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:39:00 - [13] Ransoms are a pain in the ass just blow the freaks up and leave it up to the pirate gods what loot drops. SKUNK
Chaplain''Dextomus	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:59:00 - [14] Edited by: Chaplain''''Dextomus on 08/09/2008 19:59:18 WHO is your main....
ponieus the united	Posted - 2008.09.08 20:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Le Skunk Ransoms are a pain in the ass just blow the freaks up and leave it up to the pirate gods what loot drops. SKUNK maybe for the lazy.
Havohej Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.08 20:17:00 - [16] Originally by: thisisnotanalt 1) Set the pirate and his corp to red. Next time you know to avoid them like the plague. See red minus in local = time to leave. Don't learn to fight or anything silly like that, just run away. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their st
DEATHsyphon Gallente IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.08 20:22:00 - [17] IDLE EMPIRE Honors Ransoms And If you pay or not we dont care more points for us on the KB to win some isk from the allaince. -------------------- I'm not not going to pod you!
AntonioBanderas The Bastards	Posted - 2008.09.08 20:30:00 - [18] since z0de is slacking on this one... The Bastards will always, ALWAYS honour ransom. Bandy out. __________________________________________________ I can say ASS!!! And SHIT!!!! \o/
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.09.08 20:53:00 - [19] Edited by: thisisnotanalt on 08/09/2008 20:53:12 I've just come to the realization that pirates are just glorified digital playground bullies. There is proof! Please read on. GTC ~ 400M ~ 30 USD Pirate asks for ransom, ranging from 50M to 100M. This 50M to 100M amounts to 3.75 to 7.50 USD. So called pirate is effectively stealing your lunch money. So sorry. I don't have any respect for the profession.
Silverskull7 Lazy Company	Posted - 2008.09.08 21:04:00 - [20] Someone who got bullied in school me thinks? Anyway Pirates are actually very nice people (when were not shooting at you of course =), its the carebears you have to watch out for. Usually Pirates/PVP'ers in general are people who come home from work and wanna blow up some pixel spaceships to let off some steam. Silver
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.09.08 21:30:00 - [21] Show me a nice pirate then? One that goes, "Oh, I caught you, I will let you go peacefully if you send me some ISK for my hard work in catching you." As opposed to one that goes, "100M" in chat and leaves it at that while they take your ship into structure. Doesn't quite set the picture that you will make it out anyways. I repeat, don't pay ransom. It just ain't worth it due to the many variables. I'm not going to check who will honor ransom if I'm stuck in a situation where I'm going into structure. Maybe pirate corps could benefit from a public relations department. LMAO
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.08 21:32:00 - [22] You've never actually spoken with a pirate have you?
Silverskull7 Lazy Company	Posted - 2008.09.08 21:33:00 - [23] Troll anyone?/WOW player? Suggest ignoring the thread.
White Chasm Caldari Blood In Blood Out	Posted - 2008.09.08 21:36:00 - [24] BIBO honors ransoms. All one of us. _________________ Originally by: CCP Mitnal Although it's comforting to note that the majority of pirates will be remaining single for the foreseeable future.
Raven6213	Posted - 2008.09.08 21:45:00 - [25] Originally by: ponieus Real Pirates always honor their ransoms. Do not lump in real pirates with the wanna be's out there. Thats like saying all 0.0 alliances are crap like the NC.. Kinda dont make sense now does it. Don't pay the ransom because Pirates are bed-wetting, mama's boys. They need to stay down in the lower, security zone where only the outcasts, and dysfunctional people belong. I LAUGH so very hard in the face of the milk-toast Pirates. I'm laughing right now. I laugh very HARD.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.08 21:45:00 - [26] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Show me a nice pirate then? One that goes, "Oh, I caught you, I will let you go peacefully if you send me some ISK for my hard work in catching you." As opposed to one that goes, "100M" in chat and leaves it at that while they take your ship into structure. Doesn't quite set the picture that you will make it out anyways. I'd think that "50M or die." quite clearly illustrates what I want, what you need to do, and what will happen unless you do it. The algorithm I use is roughly this. (a) invitation into ISK for pod channel - all the rules are decribed there. (b) You get a "50M or die." followed by a "X seconds to respond." - Failure to respond means death. - A response along the style of "I can't pay that much / my ship isn't worth that much to me / etc" leads to negotiations about what you can and will pay to save your ship and/or pod. We can always discuss pricing. - A response along the style of "no" or "lol" or "whiiiiiine" leads to the abrupt termination of your ship and/or pod. - A response along the lines of "yes, just a moment" will give you a bit of extra time required to pay. - Attempting to self-destruct your ship will lead to your ship and pod being killed. - Paying up results in you being let go. (c) You get kicked off the ISK for pod channel after you are on your merry way (or dead if you didn't pay), so you don't interfere with other people being ransomed. Is it worth paying? Yes. You will be released if you do pay. Will your refusal to pay do anything noticeable to us? No. We'll just take your modules and your corpse. It does far more to you. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.09.08 23:39:00 - [27] Didn't intend for this to turn into a who-honors-ransom thread. Don't really care. But lets make the most of it for the pirates since they feel so strongly about their profession. As per my suggestion on pirate corp public relations, maybe a posting of all pirate corps that do honor ransoms can be initiated and a subsequent black list for those who don't. This can be updated, confirmed by 3rd parties or whatnot. Also, why don't you post your typical ransom prices for ships. Then those who do read C+P can mull over it over the course of a few days and make a more informed decision on which is best for them should they find themselves in that situation. Rather than being given a 10 second time frame to make a hasty decision. I'm sure you pirates will get a better response to your lunch money stealing endeavors in the long run. In the meantime, feel free to donate ISK to me for my wonderful suggestion.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.09.09 00:36:00 - [28] Quote: Anyway Pirates are actually very nice people (when were not shooting at you of course =), its the carebears you have to watch out for. Usually Pirates/PVP'ers in general are people who come home from work and wanna blow up some pixel spaceships to let off some steam. Scarily enough this is actually true in my experience. So-called "Carebears" (mainly hisec missioners) are, on the whole, the most angry, spiteful group of EVE players I've ever played. On the contrary, the pirates tend to be pretty calm, collected and nice even while blowing up your internets spaceships.
Carrisa Montega	Posted - 2008.09.09 00:46:00 - [29] Never pay, fight to the death.
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.09.09 00:51:00 - [30] Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 09/09/2008 00:54:24 Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: Anyway Pirates are actually very nice people (when were not shooting at you of course =), its the carebears you have to watch out for. Usually Pirates/PVP'ers in general are people who come home from work and wanna blow up some pixel spaceships to let off some steam. Scarily enough this is actually true in my experience. So-called "Carebears" (mainly hisec missioners) are, on the whole, the most angry, spiteful group of EVE players I've ever played. On the contrary, the pirates tend to be pretty calm, collected and nice even while blowing up your internets spaceships. QFT A set list of ransom prices is generally unrealistic since we usually bring a ship scanner and the range of value of a BC can vary markedly depending on what's fitted. We don't generally do the 'x' isk or die thing. I prefer "Ahoy Matey!! Show me some booty or I send your ship/pod to swim with the Quasars." And finally, to refuse every ransom offer is just silly and emo. Blew up a Raven the other day because he refused the convo invite. His ship loss was over 350mil because he was T2 fit and carrying around 10 implants and other assorted goodies in his hold. We had decided to ask for 50mil if he hadn't refused the convo invite. I think the pilot listened to angry idiots like the OP too much. His loss. He dropped more in loot then we asked for in the ransom. Our win.

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