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Storms	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:40:00 - [1] as the title sais, is it worth being a full time pirate? with -10.0 sec status, only being able to roam in low sec (taking into account you have a fairly big and helpful corp with freighters, pos, etc). i always lived priating but i never immagined playing only in low sec, not being able to enter empire. any possitive and negative views?
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:48:00 - [2] Outside of accepting the logistical problem of not having empire space available to you, here's a few questions you can ask yourself as an aspiring pirate. Do you frequently kill more often than you lose? Are you willing to consider ransoming and will you always honor those ransoms? Will you shoot unarmed/lightly armed targets (barges, haulers, cov-ops) for profit? If yes, you can most certainly do it. Just don't expect to be constantly bathing in ISK. Sometimes it good, sometimes its really tough. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Storms	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:54:00 - [3] i was never rich. i don't like a fat wallet. i just want to have 2-3 ships that i can wreck havoc with. i've lived in 0.0 for too long, i hate it now. blobs and 20v1's make me sick. yes, i answer yes to all those questions, but also i lose other stuff. i lose the ability to grief people in empire space. i lose the ability to fight wars in empire space...those stuff i need to consider and i don't know which one is more important...
Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:54:00 - [4] Pirating is dead. When playing EVE you have a choice of 3 playstyles: 1. Carebearing 2. Joining Blobfare 3. The void in between the above mentioned styles; meaning you'll pretend that you're playing some original style but you're actually just doing both.
timov	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:55:00 - [5] what do u like in eve? pure pewpew'ing (not only as pirate) may bring u in trouble with the isk - but there r many ways to solve that. as blinky u cant enter high sec systems in ship - as dark yellow too, i usually dont care much of that, having an alt for the shopping (same account, just skilled up an hauler, so nothing lost), its just somtimes ugly to move big ships. but there r corps delivering ships to blinkies in low sec. and u would have mates helping u in that some cases. i usually keep my standing between 0 (well not often) and -4.9 - coz as blinky u re always in ther worser position at a gate or a station. - but thats all. --- ... have fun ;)
whisk Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:56:00 - [6] as long as you have hauler alt, its fun Adapt or Die
Kaya Valda Caldari Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.09.09 10:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Volarius Pirating is dead. When playing EVE you have a choice of 3 playstyles: 1. Carebearing 2. Joining Blobfare 3. The void in between the above mentioned styles; meaning you'll pretend that you're playing some original style but you're actually just doing both. You're not doing it right. There is plenty of ISK to be made in Piracy if you don't die all the time and are a member of a good corp.
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.09 10:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Storms i was never rich. i don't like a fat wallet. i just want to have 2-3 ships that i can wreck havoc with. i've lived in 0.0 for too long, i hate it now. blobs and 20v1's make me sick. yes, i answer yes to all those questions, but also i lose other stuff. i lose the ability to grief people in empire space. i lose the ability to fight wars in empire space...those stuff i need to consider and i don't know which one is more important... Well, you'll never be able avoid being out numbered, a lot of people only fight with numerical superior on their side. Being an outlaw attracts A LOT of people to you. I'd say go for it, just have a nice little bit in the wallet to keep you in a few ships, and be smart as you fly them. High sec PvP isn't my thing, I think for the most part, the majority of high sec residents don't want to fully commit to fighting anybody. Mileage may vary of course. Originally by: Volarius Pirating is dead. When playing EVE you have a choice of 3 playstyles: 1. Carebearing 2. Joining Blobfare 3. The void in between the above mentioned styles; meaning you'll pretend that you're playing some original style but you're actually just doing both. Bitter much? I can safely say I'm none of those things. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Redback911 Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Volarius Pirating is dead. When playing EVE you have a choice of 3 playstyles: 1. Carebearing 2. Joining Blobfare 3. The void in between the above mentioned styles; meaning you'll pretend that you're playing some original style but you're actually just doing both. ORLY? Pirating is quite alive thankyou-very-muchly
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:52:00 - [10] Its a tough life. If you have enough numbers to fight medium sized gangs coming thorugh: - enjoyment over getting one volley off on a ship before it pops is small - people begin to fly BC just so they can acutualy get on a mail - BS pilots begin to fit one of more sensor boosters on their ships - loot splits shared amongst the gang are small - pilots get bored - any losses are difficult to recover from due to crap loot splits You can however take out the 10-15 0.0 alliance gangs that occasionally roll through, which is great for the epeen. But these sorts of fights are fairly rare. If you stay small - Pilots are forced to run multiple accounts (scouts, haulers etc) - Large Gangs have to be docked up from - Pilots need patience during these periods - Numbers will often be to small to camp effectively But the haulers and lone ships/ small gangs can be annihilated, and the loot splits are sufficent to maintain a career as a pirate. So if you want to go full time, my advice is to keep your gangs to a minimum. Prepare gurillia tactic ships for the blobs. Be prepared to use boredom as a weapon against large blobs. Get used to the fact your constantly fighting at a disadvantage to everyone who comes though. In return, your the only profession in the game who makes a living blowing people up. You call no man mister. Your not skulking around in higsec with concord at your back. You dont have to bow down and ass kiss alliance leadership. No pos bashes. No ratting. No mission grind. No fiddling with 0.01 isk buy orders. Just warp and pop. Your fighting with the biggest handicaps CCP impose on any pvper in the game. And your still pwning their asses. Plus you get your own song SKUNK
Redback911 Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:54:00 - [11] Edited by: Redback911 on 09/09/2008 11:54:41 Edited by: Redback911 on 09/09/2008 11:54:31 What Le Skunk said :-) How's tricks fella?
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:55:00 - [12] If you become a full time pirate, its hard going. Especially if you fly solo. Money can be made, but that results in asking for ransom everytime you find a target. My advice wold be to find a good corp, preferably one that has its own logistical support
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Redback911 What Le Skunk said :-) How's tricks fella? Yarrr o7 Originally by: kor anon If you become a full time pirate, its hard going. Especially if you fly solo. I have a lot of respect for solo pirates. Full Time Solo Piracy is toughest profession in the game bar none, and requires extreme patience, skill, and luck. SKUNK
Terra Mikael The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Volarius Pirating is dead. When playing EVE you have a choice of 3 playstyles: 1. Carebearing 2. Joining Blobfare 3. The void in between the above mentioned styles; meaning you'll pretend that you're playing some original style but you're actually just doing both. This.
elfen	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:09:00 - [15] Well funny i saw this after i just got this alt out from not using him for 2 + years. Fitted him out with a domi and insurance so i loose about 10 mill if i get popped. Yesterday (look on Battleclinic) i just went out and did some random gate killing etc.... Earnt about 200 mill off goodies etc..... I have 300k in gunnery and level 2 in Battleship etc..........about 2 mill in PVP skills with this alt. It was great fun more than anything else, and i did struggle to tank sentry and kill with such shite skills , but did it anyway. Cheap ship wins all day and you can be lucky, just watch out for blobs comming to get you :))
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/09/2008 11:58:41 * Its a tough life. If you have enough numbers to fight medium sized gangs coming thorugh: - enjoyment over getting one volley off on a ship before it pops is small - people begin to fly BC just so they can acutualy get on a mail - BS pilots begin to fit one of more sensor boosters on their ships - loot splits shared amongst the gang are small - pilots get bored - any losses are difficult to recover from due to crap loot splits You can however take out the 10-15 man 0.0 alliance gangs that occasionally roll through, which is great for the epeen. As veterans of "end game pvp" they often cant believe thevy just been whooped by some low sec pirates and the lols are many - But these sorts of fights are fairly rare. * If you stay small - Pilots are forced to run multiple accounts (scouts, haulers etc) - Large Gangs have to be docked up from - Pilots need patience during these periods - Numbers will often be to small to camp effectively But the haulers and lone ships/ small gangs can be annihilated, and the loot splits are sufficent to maintain a career as a pirate. This. Flying in big gangs is rarely profitable - a career pirate must realize that what's good for bragging rights and space control is not good for your wallet, thanks to little loot after splitting - unless you kill a lot of stuff with low losses (it can happen, but it's not a likely scenario). Small is generally more profitable on the whole. Loot gets split less ways, and you've got enough firepower even in a small gang to take your targets of choice. I've made good ISK on two battlecruiser camps (me on one side, mate on another, both sitting 300-ish km off gate waiting for something to show up). Also made some good ISK with 2-3 of us fighting other small gangs. Finding a good route to camp, of course, is going to be tricky. Big pirate corps generally hold onto them. I'd also reccomend a few things to the op: - Avoid flying battleships too much, unless you have 3-4 other smaller ships on the camp and good scouting (or are station hugging). You're just too vulnerable to tackle in a BS, too slow and too bulky. The only thing you really need BS for are killing other (competently fit) BS, or for RR BS gangs. - If you think you're getting outblobbed, wait the blob out. Going out only to get massacred only gives them a incentive to come back tommorow and get another easy kill. - Mark Falcon pilots to negative standings, it'll save you a lot of grief. - Avoid roaming solo in big ships anywhere near FW hotspots. If you have to roam solo in big ships near FW hotspots, bear in mind that you'll just run into 10 interceptors, 5 recons, 5 hacs, and 10 T1 cruisers and die horribly - it's a matter of when. - If a ship is just standing at the gate for a conspiciously long period, there's something wrong there. I would reccomend against attacking any ship which can fit a tank if you don't have scouts and he's just standing there. - If you nearly killed a guy and now he's coming back, you better have scouts. Few people are that stupid. Some are, of course, but I'd be ready to get out and not go all out. - Keep your losses cheap, but fit your ships so they have the upper hand. Price/performance is relevant in piracy, you're not a 0.0 fighter, you're doing it for the money. - Don't be afraid to engage in solo combat. It's potentially a big ISK maker if you (think you can) can win reliably. Originally by: Le Skunk In return, your the only profession in the game who makes a living blowing people up. You call no man mister. Your not skulking around in higsec with concord at your back. You dont have to bow down and ass kiss alliance leadership. No pos bashes. No ratting. No mission grind. No fiddling with 0.01 isk buy orders. Just warp and pop. Your fighting with the biggest handicaps CCP impose on any pvper in the game. And your still pwning their asses. This. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:27:00 - [17] Piracy is worth it, but only if you are both self-sufficient(this generally means to have an alt) and extremely patient.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:32:00 - [18] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 12:42:42 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 12:33:56 Also, a few more bits of advice: - Don't kill the pods outright. Ransom them. You'd think it was obvious, but a ton of people fail to do so. - Remember, the trick of getting fights solo is making the other guy think he's got the advantage while, in fact, you do. Flying the obviously awesome ship is a awesome way to not get fights. People need to think they can take you or they'll try to avoid combat at any costs. - Salvage T2 wrecks given the opportunity. Else you might as well be killing T2 fit T1 cruisers instead of HACs, actual loot obtained is often on par, sad but true. - If it's a young player in a ship he shouldn't be in and you're off gate, try to ransom him. The loot is going to be crap most likely. - Avoiding the fight when you're at a disadvantage is smart, not shameful or cowardly. Remember the odds are stacked against you - you cannot use all the ship classes/types/tactics while your opponents can if you're fighting at gates/stations (which is where people will try to get you if possible) - so just ignore the smacktalk which you will get and remember that unlike them, you fund your piracy via piracy rather then rat/mission for your ISK. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:33:00 - [19] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Piracy is worth it, but only if you are both self-sufficient(this generally means to have an alt) There is no need for alts. Well, unless you're not in a corp which has haulers or don't have industrial friends - then you need hauling alts. There is no need for any other sort of alt. If you require a alt to support piracy, then you're doing something wrong. Either losing too much or killing too little. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:29:00 - [20] Edited by: Sirius Problem on 09/09/2008 13:30:29 Deleted response after re-reading post I was responding to. ---- Train more. Whine less.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:36:00 - [21] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 13:36:16 Originally by: Sirius Problem Originally by: Cpt Branko If you require a alt to support piracy, then you're doing something wrong. Either losing too much or killing too little. A hi-sec alt for shopping and moving mods/ship to/from low-sec is highly useful. I don't think it's an indication you are doing something wrong. Though I agree that if your hi-sec alt is needed to earn ISK to support your piracy, then your piracy may need some work. Oh, yeah, a alt for loot selling / buying modules is highly useful. Doesn't even need to have any SP, so you can do it on the same account (I used a minmatar fighter because it could handle a cargo frig very well for the hauling part, and a trade char for setting sell orders) when I was starting out. A friend/corpmate to haul you bigger ships on top of that, and you're all set. The downside of using alts to sell stuff and buy modules/ammo is that all the sell order setting and hauling is rather time consuming. Nowdays, I just order stuff from people with freighters, and give loot to people who do the actual selling - so they get a 5%-10% markup, and I get all my time freed up for actual pirating, a win-win situation. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Piracy is worth it, but only if you are both self-sufficient(this generally means to have an alt) There is no need for alts. Well, unless you're not in a corp which has haulers or don't have industrial friends - then you need hauling alts. There is no need for any other sort of alt. If you require a alt to support piracy, then you're doing something wrong. Either losing too much or killing too little. While I agree with this, a covops alt is very handy. Saves some time looking for targets in your area(especially if you solo in BC), also offers nice protection against camps. What I like best is the ability to suddenly drop onto a guy/gang who is sitting at safespot while their scout is busy scanning you down.. this results in hilarity all too often to miss such opportunities BTW, I'd say that getting profits of pirating is quite easy, so is having fun by doing so. Having fun and profits coupled is certainly more difficult(especially when "fun" fight translates into "should not be possible to win" one ) @OP Being an outlaw has only 2 drawbacks: 1) Hampered mobility overall(especially when considering smaller low-sec pockets, which tend to be rather populated) 2) Can't have sentry support at the gate, thus limiting your capabilities in fighting outnumbered fights(ironically, it has the most effect when you're against other flashies )
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:37:00 - [23] Alt scouts? what are these? I usually fly blind, sure it results in ships loss on some occassions, but it adds an extra factor of danger. Plus once in a blue moon you can come across a complacent pilot/s in said camp, that you can take down with you often with more loss on their side than yours
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:45:00 - [24] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 09/09/2008 16:45:39 yawn Well, I prefer to spend 3 hours instead of 4 for the same result. I also prefer not to waste time on getting myself new ships. Granted, I lose quite a bit of them, it better be a good fight instead of crashing into 10-men recon gang Not to mention that having a scout doesn't take away the option to crash into a gatecamp and do certain ebil things to it PS. That's all in the context of flying alone, wouldn't bother with dual-boxing in a gang, too tiresome.
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Kaileen Starsong Not to mention that having a scout doesn't take away the option to crash into a gatecamp and do certain ebil things to it No but it takes away your option to avoid it, therefore making you fight against them more frequently.
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.09.09 17:04:00 - [26] Originally by: kor anon No but it takes away your option to avoid it, therefore making you fight against them more frequently. In a way.. maybe. I would still engage if the fight promises to be interesting/hilarious, but I perceive crashing into a camp only to get popped without notable success from your side as rather pointless. Anyway, not going to argue over preferences, each one plays Eve the way he likes and let it be so :P I'd still say that having an alt for different scout/scanning tasks is handy. Whether one should use such alt or not is purely that one's choice. Dixi.
Feilamya Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.09 17:11:00 - [27] Edited by: Feilamya on 09/09/2008 17:11:00 If you can, make sure you join a militia, preferrable one that is outnumbered. You don't need to care about the whole fictional warfare stuff, just see it as a free ticket to fire your guns first.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.09 21:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Feilamya Edited by: Feilamya on 09/09/2008 17:11:00 If you can, make sure you join a militia, preferrable one that is outnumbered. You don't need to care about the whole fictional warfare stuff, just see it as a free ticket to fire your guns first. This would mean a good 30-50% of the targets in your area you are unable to fire on them because they are your own faction. It also means you are pirating in an area where the best loot drops are a bunch of crap some guy who expects to get popped with 24horus is carrying SKUNK
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.09 22:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Le Skunk It also means you are pirating in an area where the best loot drops are a bunch of crap some guy who expects to get popped with 24horus is carrying wut sure, you get some t1 junk, but you also get a fair amount of T2 as well.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.09 22:42:00 - [30] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 22:42:07 Originally by: My'kel An'jelo Originally by: Le Skunk It also means you are pirating in an area where the best loot drops are a bunch of crap some guy who expects to get popped with 24horus is carrying wut sure, you get some t1 junk, but you also get a fair amount of T2 as well. I prefer stuff like this, personally. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.09.09 23:27:00 - [31] Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 09/09/2008 23:28:16 The pirates in the Caldari/Gal parts of black rise seem to be having a great time. You should base out of Tama, and roam the pipe between there and Old Man Star. Plenty of targets.
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.09.09 23:58:00 - [32] One of these days I'm gonna become a full time solo pirate. Just need to get my mission running alt into a geddon first... F war blobs are starting to bore me.
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.10 00:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr One of these days I'm gonna become a full time solo pirate. Just need to get my mission running alt into a geddon first... F war blobs are starting to bore me. <insert obligatory lolwatminmatar complaining about blobbing comment>
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.10 00:10:00 - [34] SO there I was yesterday....in losec with sec status sitting sooo very close to non-outlaw status when I come across a mission-running Apoc. Sadly missed the Apoc....but got the salvager DD scoring a quick and painless boost to the wallet (around 5-7 mill-ish) for the cost of a Snoop probe. ** the sec status...it feels good sneaking up...decloaking..kablammo (ok neut neut then kablammo) . Anyway...ISK should never be a worry as long as you treat being a pirate as a business (good fights...while fun...are not good for business if you lose a ship). And ransom high . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the ** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 12:42:42 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 12:33:56 Also, a few more bits of advice: - Don't kill the pods outright. Ransom them. You'd think it was obvious, but a ton of people fail to do so. - Remember, the trick of getting fights solo is making the other guy think he's got the advantage while, in fact, you do. Flying the obviously awesome ship is a awesome way to not get fights. People need to think they can take you or they'll try to avoid combat at any costs. - Salvage T2 wrecks given the opportunity. Else you might as well be killing T2 fit T1 cruisers instead of HACs, actual loot obtained is often on par, sad but true. - If it's a young player in a ship he shouldn't be in and you're off gate, try to ransom him. The loot is going to be crap most likely. - Avoiding the fight when you're at a disadvantage is smart, not shameful or cowardly. Remember the odds are stacked against you - you cannot use all the ship classes/types/tactics while your opponents can if you're fighting at gates/stations (which is where people will try to get you if possible) - so just ignore the smacktalk which you will get and remember that unlike them, you fund your piracy via piracy rather then rat/mission for your ISK. Best advice in this thread. ----- My Pirate Blog: http://evenewb.blogspot.com/ My Ransom Board: http://www.pcransomboard.com/
Bfoster The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Spectre3353 Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 12:42:42 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 12:33:56 Also, a few more bits of advice: - Don't kill the pods outright. Ransom them. You'd think it was obvious, but a ton of people fail to do so. - Remember, the trick of getting fights solo is making the other guy think he's got the advantage while, in fact, you do. Flying the obviously awesome ship is a awesome way to not get fights. People need to think they can take you or they'll try to avoid combat at any costs. - Salvage T2 wrecks given the opportunity. Else you might as well be killing T2 fit T1 cruisers instead of HACs, actual loot obtained is often on par, sad but true. - If it's a young player in a ship he shouldn't be in and you're off gate, try to ransom him. The loot is going to be crap most likely. - Avoiding the fight when you're at a disadvantage is smart, not shameful or cowardly. Remember the odds are stacked against you - you cannot use all the ship classes/types/tactics while your opponents can if you're fighting at gates/stations (which is where people will try to get you if possible) - so just ignore the smacktalk which you will get and remember that unlike them, you fund your piracy via piracy rather then rat/mission for your ISK. Best advice in this thread. Agreed.. Also read spec's blog.. It gives you a good idea into a pirates life.. Personally I started the out my eve life doing the "carebear" life, missioning & etc.. It got boring, same ol' thing over and over.. So I joined a 0.0 corp, it was a huge changed, but there was no such thing as a small gang fight.. It was a blobfest.. Now I am a full time pirate, I like the hunt.. You have to pick your targets carefully, usually you are in a small fight or a 1v1.. And you never know what you will find, but there is no real politics(like in 0.0) its just go find stuff and kill it.. _______________________________________________
Storms	Posted - 2008.09.12 09:47:00 - [37] Edited by: Storms on 12/09/2008 09:47:11 Originally by: Bfoster Originally by: Spectre3353 Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 12:42:42 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 12:33:56 Also, a few more bits of advice: - Don't kill the pods outright. Ransom them. You'd think it was obvious, but a ton of people fail to do so. - Remember, the trick of getting fights solo is making the other guy think he's got the advantage while, in fact, you do. Flying the obviously awesome ship is a awesome way to not get fights. People need to think they can take you or they'll try to avoid combat at any costs. - Salvage T2 wrecks given the opportunity. Else you might as well be killing T2 fit T1 cruisers instead of HACs, actual loot obtained is often on par, sad but true. - If it's a young player in a ship he shouldn't be in and you're off gate, try to ransom him. The loot is going to be crap most likely. - Avoiding the fight when you're at a disadvantage is smart, not shameful or cowardly. Remember the odds are stacked against you - you cannot use all the ship classes/types/tactics while your opponents can if you're fighting at gates/stations (which is where people will try to get you if possible) - so just ignore the smacktalk which you will get and remember that unlike them, you fund your piracy via piracy rather then rat/mission for your ISK. Best advice in this thread. Agreed.. Also read spec's blog.. It gives you a good idea into a pirates life.. Personally I started the out my eve life doing the "carebear" life, missioning & etc.. It got boring, same ol' thing over and over.. So I joined a 0.0 corp, it was a huge changed, but there was no such thing as a small gang fight.. It was a blobfest.. Now I am a full time pirate, I like the hunt.. You have to pick your targets carefully, usually you are in a small fight or a 1v1.. And you never know what you will find, but there is no real politics(like in 0.0) its just go find stuff and kill it.. where can i find spec's blog?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.09.12 10:18:00 - [38] Piracy is beating hard in people like me who get the thrill of blowing up that random dude just because you can. The key is knowing when you're licked, and getting out while you have a chance. Trust your instincts, and never go in on something if you have a bad feeling about it -- because I promise you -- you're right. www.siigarikitawa.com
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.09.12 10:28:00 - [39] Quote: - Remember, the trick of getting fights solo is making the other guy think he's got the advantage while, in fact, you do. Flying the obviously awesome ship is a awesome way to not get fights. People need to think they can take you or they'll try to avoid combat at any costs. Best advice ever. A former corpmate went through a phase of sitting a default-named, low-SP Moa on a lowsec gate and waiting for a passing BC/HAC to try and pick him off. Sure, he lost plenty of them... but he got some extraordinary, hilarious kills.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.12 11:18:00 - [40] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/09/2008 11:18:55 Originally by: Somealt Ofmine Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 09/09/2008 23:28:16 The pirates in the Caldari/Gal parts of black rise seem to be having a great time. You should base out of Tama, and roam the pipe between there and Old Man Star. Plenty of targets. It's a preety awesome way to lose lots of ships. Doing that is akin to 0.0 without bubbles, but with sentry aggro if you fire back. Seriously, I treat all trips through that pipe as essentially suicide ops - if you run into the standard FW gang with 10 ceptors and 15 cruisers (or HACs in some cases) you're just toast. On that note, I've been suiciding far too many stuff lately, need to get a grip. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.09.12 11:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Trust your instincts, and never go in on something if you have a bad feeling about it -- because I promise you -- you're right. QFT.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.12 12:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Trust your instincts, and never go in on something if you have a bad feeling about it -- because I promise you -- you're right. Totally true. Many of my deaths can be attributed to target fixation instead of acting on instinct... even though it does sometimes work. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Mynxee Hellcats Doom Armada	Posted - 2008.09.12 22:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Cpt Branko Many of my deaths can be attributed to target fixation... Man, do I hear that. Very hard to overcome. Some great advice in this thread. Life in Low Sec \| Hellcats
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.09.12 23:58:00 - [44] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 13/09/2008 00:04:50 Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Piracy is worth it, but only if you are both self-sufficient(this generally means to have an alt) There is no need for alts. Well, unless you're not in a corp which has haulers or don't have industrial friends - then you need hauling alts. There is no need for any other sort of alt. If you require a alt to support piracy, then you're doing something wrong. Either losing too much or killing too little. You don't have to have an alt, but it helps A LOT. I can tell you that people get very tired of the one guy that's always asking to have things done for him. And have you ever noticed the manner in which everyone docks, logs, or goes to a POS whenever an outlaw enters local? edit: also- putting a combat pilot in a cov ops, hauler etc is a serious drain on your capabilities when you can just have people dual boxing and not lose anything.
MirrorGod Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.13 21:51:00 - [45] I Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/09/2008 11:58:41 * Its a tough life. If you have enough numbers to fight medium sized gangs coming thorugh: - enjoyment over getting one volley off on a ship before it pops is small - people begin to fly BC just so they can acutualy get on a mail - BS pilots begin to fit one of more sensor boosters on their ships - loot splits shared amongst the gang are small - pilots get bored - any losses are difficult to recover from due to crap loot splits You can however take out the 10-15 man 0.0 alliance gangs that occasionally roll through, which is great for the epeen. As veterans of "end game pvp" they often cant believe thevy just been whooped by some low sec pirates and the lols are many - But these sorts of fights are fairly rare. * If you stay small - Pilots are forced to run multiple accounts (scouts, haulers etc) - Large Gangs have to be docked up from - Pilots need patience during these periods - Numbers will often be to small to camp effectively But the haulers and lone ships/ small gangs can be annihilated, and the loot splits are sufficent to maintain a career as a pirate. So if you want to go full time, my advice is to keep your gangs to a minimum. Prepare gurillia tactic ships for the blobs. Be prepared to use boredom as a weapon against large blobs. Get used to the fact your constantly fighting at a disadvantage to everyone who comes though. In return, your the only profession in the game who makes a living blowing people up. You call no man mister. Your not skulking around in higsec with concord at your back. You dont have to bow down and ass kiss alliance leadership. No pos bashes. No ratting. No mission grind. No fiddling with 0.01 isk buy orders. Just warp and pop. Your fighting with the biggest handicaps CCP impose on any pvper in the game. And your still pwning their asses. Plus you get your own song SKUNK </thread> Save Small Gang Warfare
KeLLaX HUNLAR the Almighty Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.09.13 22:26:00 - [46] well train fast-talk to 4 and give it a try... worst case, its about 2 days of ratting with system-hopping.... depends on which system u are planning on residing too... if its a crowded system, it would be more difficult to get used to pirating and there is a high chance that you will spending more that what you make..
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.13 23:35:00 - [47] If you fly max'd out T1 ships fully insured it only takes a few fights to cover the lose. After awhile your going to have a load of pvp modules to add to your stockpile so equiping is easy. I'd stay away from BS's and T2 ships if your going to try flying small and profitable pirating.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.09.14 15:44:00 - [48] Since T2 loot is pretty crap to sell back and make a profit for the gang, my corp just hangs on to the loot if there were no losses. Its stored and then re-used by a member down the road if he loses a ship. We essentially recycle our loot. Helps save the high sec trips. If you can try to set aside some ransom money for your corp as well. Then the corp wallet can be used to setup buy orders for either mins (if you have industrial alts to build ships), or you can outright put up buy orders for the typical ships you fly. Yet another way to minimize high sec logistics. Trust your instincts, have an escape plan at all times, and above all else have fun. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
flashfresh The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.03 08:58:00 - [49] One of Le Skunk's last paragraphs from his post sums it up quite nicely. Originally by: Le Skunk Your fighting with the biggest handicaps CCP impose on any pvper in the game. And your still pwning their asses. Le SKUNK I pirate because I want to; isk isn't too bad though we have a ransom process in place and keeps us in ships. POS ransoms and the occasional idiot in a CNR brings more isk and LOLs. Then recently, a RORQUAL comes in and tries to activate a star gate; it's in low-sec and he (obviously) has no-one to cyno for him. Oh dear. Did he think it was just a big mining barge that he was piloting? Piracy is hard while New Eden is becoming more and more 'safe'. Feelings of safety for the Empire dwellers breeds complacency and arrogance. That means more opportunities for isk. Bring them on. F ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for.'ö http://i-pirate.blogspot.com
Oberon Wolf Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2008.10.03 09:15:00 - [50] With the right corp it's insanely profitable. And making all the FW blobbers run away time after time after time never gets old.
San Rintu The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.03 09:34:00 - [51] As FlashFresh(aka the pirating voice of New Eden) said, pirating is by no means a way to make a steady income, however when the clowns do turn out in their ridiculously priced ships, it more than makes up for it. The Bastards have had several weeks turning over killboard stats that many small alliances would fail to even get close to. What I will say next is very much debatable. I am very much aware that the wonder of Eve is that it is made to suit everyone but this opinion is what a great number of pilots in Eve would agree with too. "If you aspire to be rich quick in the game or be a part of something bigger then 0.0 is the place to be. If you play Eve for a completely gratifying experience then you should be pirating in low sec. 100 capital fleet battles can not possibly make up for the one guy that you kill who provides you with senseless and sheer stomach bursting hilarious smack." I have experienced pretty much all of the avenues of Eve and quite simply, nothing will put a bigger smile on your face. After all, you are paying money to play this game so why shouldn't it?
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.03 10:19:00 - [52] The fun is worth it - if you look for a possibility to make a fortune in pixel money, then just switch off your brain and do level 4 missions til you throw up... I read all the great blogs of Kane Rizzel, Flashfresh and others when I was still doing such mindless mission running. Actually this was the point when I decided to delete 'ISK' from my priority list and replace it by 'fun'... Big THANK YOU to these guys and girls!

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