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ZhouTai	Posted - 2004.06.17 09:43:00 - [31] End of the day if you get mugged in an alley in RL you can't just log out so why should you be able to in the game. I know there is a difference between RL and the game but just disappearing is taking the pi55!! If you are playing this game play it fairly and die with your crew, losers. Respect to all whom have gone down in a blaze of glory, and to those who got them, _______________________________________________ Respect to all whom have gone down in a blaze of glory, and to those who got them,
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.06.17 15:06:00 - [32] Only ever had one guy logoff on me in a caracal while i was in a rupture. Was very lame, but since that everyone else stays to die :) "Teh lord of Nonni"
Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.06.17 23:57:00 - [33] Originally by: ZhouTai End of the day if you get mugged in an alley in RL you can't just log out so why should you be able to in the game. I know there is a difference between RL and the game but just disappearing is taking the pi55!! If you are playing this game play it fairly and die with your crew, losers. Respect to all whom have gone down in a blaze of glory, and to those who got them, That brightened my day. --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
Magellan Abraxis	Posted - 2004.06.21 13:19:00 - [34] I can imagine some instances where you might choose to log off. Personally I wouldn't, but some might. In other cases it's just lame and cowardly. We went after a corp thief this weekend. The little bugger hadn't even stolen that much, but we wanted him to learn a lesson; don't freaking steal from your corp. We had the bloody n00b (we are 100% positive he is not an alt) cornered in a system with only one gate and three stations to hide. We told him we wouldn't kill him if he simply would cought up what he had stolen, but he choose the easy way out; log. The next day, the moron told me he was just roleplaying a corpthief because he felt that was an essential part of the game. Appearantly, he logs off in real life too when he gets cornered. But we're not done with him yet, there is more then one way to skin a cat (or thief). ===================================== Explorer at heart, trader at mind.
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.06.21 15:54:00 - [35] Edited by: Vigilant on 21/06/2004 16:11:57 I have a Thorax..got some nice items...and I am pretty much a NOOB (less than 30 days of play)... IF, I have to go to .4 space or below..some agent mission or pick up a BPO/Skill Book etc., I just stop at the previous Secure System, dock, Fit Sceen..Stip off my cool stuff( cargo expanders, named cpu's, guns, miner 2's, empty my drone bay to (4) drones)...and then go on my merry way into LOW Spec Space...IF I get blowed up or podded...its my fault for going their in the first place...Sure, I kinda robbed the guy of all the cool stuff...but I played it smart... Also, I have insurance...So, my ship will be replaced...and my clone is insured...So what is the problem here? People not insuring ships? or People just don't want to loose "Named Items"? Most likely the items...just my opinion...
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:06:00 - [36] Its lame. Its about as lame as some friends of mine that used to play UFO Enemy Unknown and would save the game every time they walked round a corner in the alien complex in-case an alien brain-sucker-body-stealer moved out of the darkness on overwatch and ate an XCOM soldier. Every time it happened they would reload and play the turn again. Slowly inching forward and inevitably winning the level with zero casualties time after time and then boasting at how wonderful they were. This kind of lameness teaches a person nothing about tactics and competitive play. Logging off to avoid ship loss is just like this. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:09:00 - [37] If I do it, it's a superb tactical move. If someone else does it, it's lame. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Photon Lightwielder	Posted - 2004.06.21 18:12:00 - [38] lol it's so fun to see all the pirates get all worked up What are the "carebears" outmaneuvering you? buu fuÇking hoo Until it gets listed as an exploit by ccp go deal with it
Znaei	Posted - 2004.06.21 21:26:00 - [39] I admit that I have done it once. It was when I had just bought my first BS, forgot to insure it and went to 0.0 and got ganked. The ship didnt survive. Afterwards, I felt really bad about it, as I knew I would hate it when someone else would do it against me. Since then I have never logged off to escape from death. clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh
Easy Target	Posted - 2004.06.21 21:49:00 - [40] Playing eve is supposed to be Fun... Losing a ship if that is all u have isnt fun... If logging off saves your ship... that preserves your fun... so therefore... log off in battle is fine by me... if u did your job properly they wouldnt have been mid warp to the planet/moon/sun/own arse because u would have scrambled them... If i am 100% camped in a system... why would i lose a ship?? pointless... they wanna fight fair and square (i am an incompetant fool, noob ships need only apply) i will fight u... if not i will fight on my terms, how i like.. If i get out gunned, and out numbered.. in a system, with no way round, or out... the game is no longer fun... i know sit here and wait 20 hours.. ooooo, one sec... EVE ISNT REAL!!! i will log off and play Far Cry. If logging of saves your ship... F U C K them, i have heard u can get fair fights on Far Cry.. :) Dont like it?? Adapt Lump it leave... oh.. or u can log off... :-/ Easy Target ----------------------------------------------- No i'm not good... but i have never claimed to be -------------------- Moments of genius
Clain Matta	Posted - 2004.06.22 00:23:00 - [41] Personally, I am against it. Even in an indy hauling gear in 0.0 space being gate camped by PA and getting shot at without warning with 7 BS and a interceptor on my tail. The idea is to make them work for their kill. (I had them chase me 2-3 sectors before they got me ) and I stil escaped in a pod . I got the adrenal rush, they got couple million in gear and skills. I suppose it might me considered equal in the grand scheme of things.
betamax	Posted - 2004.06.22 00:55:00 - [42] Excellent! I didn't ever think I'd see player pirates whine about 'sploiting :) Can you hear the choking indignation? Look "me hearties", we know you like your helpless gank victims to just sit there and die, but you see, we are not paying our subs so you can have fun at our expense. As for hunting down people who use this tactic, isnt that just a little petty? Do you do that because they dared to make you Uber Own3rz look stupid and incompetent? After all you lot are supposed to make C/Bs fearful of 0.4 and below.... If someone has found a way to **** off player pirates, then good-o. About time they tasted the bitterness of having your playstyle ruined. Oh and one last thing "Adapt, Stop Whining & LOL" I think that covers everything.
Clain Matta	Posted - 2004.06.22 01:03:00 - [43] I have no idea if you were trying to compliment me, or insult me. I am tired so I will probably understand later after some sleep. For the reference I am not a pirate, but part of an alliance who has claimed 0.0 space for themselves.
betamax	Posted - 2004.06.22 01:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Clain Matta I have no idea if you were trying to compliment me, or insult me. I am tired so I will probably understand later after some sleep. For the reference I am not a pirate, but part of an alliance who has claimed 0.0 space for themselves. Iwasnt talking to you at all. Just commenting on the topic as a (Hilarious) whole. If I'm responding to you, I'll more than likely quote you. See Above :)
CodeFreeze	Posted - 2004.06.22 05:39:00 - [45] I've lost plenty ships to pirates, killer clowns and of course corp 1 on my learning curve and never once considered loggging off, even though it meant losing valuable cargo and named items. If someone logged off in a PvP situation I would consider them rather lame for spoiling the fun of the battle.
Fedaykin Naib	Posted - 2004.06.22 05:54:00 - [46] I guess im lucky i got to experience a rat doing this lame tactic tonight, ah well "Long Live the Fighters!" "The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
Adriana	Posted - 2004.06.22 06:42:00 - [47] For the record, I never said it wasn't lame, just that it was understandable. If it were me and I was rigged for combat I'd do my best to take you out. If I was mining in a belt and you warped in and tried to gank me and I couldn't get out? bye bye, I'm logging. I might not save my ship, but I can probably save my clone. Would it be lame? Yes, but then, so is attacking a helpless miner. If I had to rate the two, I'd say attacking a helpless miner/hauler is far more lame. If you are indeed about PvP then you should seek out targets capable of defending themselves and not pick on the unarmed guy. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte
fras	Posted - 2004.06.22 10:36:00 - [48] Edited by: fras on 22/06/2004 10:37:55 attacking a miner/hauler is part of the game and is not 'lame', it's got nothing to do with logging to avoid death. People will always do it as long as it's possible and it should be addressed as a serious issue imo.
ZhouTai	Posted - 2004.06.22 12:36:00 - [49] Quote: For the record, I never said it wasn't lame, just that it was understandable. If it were me and I was rigged for combat I'd do my best to take you out. If I was mining in a belt and you warped in and tried to gank me and I couldn't get out? bye bye, I'm logging. I might not save my ship, but I can probably save my clone. Would it be lame? Yes, but then, so is attacking a helpless miner. If I had to rate the two, I'd say attacking a helpless miner/hauler is far more lame. If you are indeed about PvP then you should seek out targets capable of defending themselves and not pick on the unarmed guy. This is wrong to compare the 2, 1 is a Pirate doing a profession in the game as he wishes, the other is someone taking advantage of a loop hole in the game the attacker or defender cannot do anything about, I'm not siding with the pirates here If I was attacked but managed to out fight the aggressor to then watch him log off would not make me happy, They need to do something about this as it is making the game week and lose its attraction PS, I am a miner/producer and in no way a pirate but I hate the way that people can do this. If I were a pirate and someone logged off I would make it my only goal to kill and pod them and their corp members (for making me do all this) till I was happy with myself and the outcome. Respect to all those who died in a blaze of glory and to those who got them _______________________________________________ Respect to all whom have gone down in a blaze of glory, and to those who got them,
von Steinroehder	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:49:00 - [50] I am a diplomat, not a fighter. I fight NPC pirates as a sort of 'extended diplomacy' to gain the favor of the empires. I would never willfully attack another player if he's on the right side of the law. As a law abiding citizen, I prefer to talk to people who want to duke it out with me. When I'm not given any chance to do so, but get physically harrassed by people too trigger happy to use their mouth, I'm out of there quick if the odds are against me - those folks don't fight on fair terms, they dictate time, place, and weapons - to be fair they should let me dictate at least part of that on my side, no? If I met any lady or gentleman out there wanting to fight me after we exchanged words, agreed with me that a duel had to be fought and honour was at stake, and gave me her or his word that the fight should not be aborted before one of the combatants went down, then I would fight bravely until the very end, for death or glory. But outnumbered by pirates, ambushed, my hounour and status as a diplomat taken away by brutish and greedy thieves, I would have the responsibility to protect my crew and assets by whatever means necessary. Call me a whimp, if you have the guts it takes to stand your ground on equal terms, because if you don't have that, you cannot judge those you confront for being true at heart or not! OOC: Comparing logging with getting mugged in a dark alley is just wrong. If I ever get into that situation and stay calm enough to use my brain, I'll get the hell out of there and use every cheap trick available, fairness and honour my backside. Why uphold honour in the presence of people who have none themselves?
ZhouTai	Posted - 2004.06.22 16:27:00 - [51] But what I am saying is that the disappearing is not available to you in that dark alley so you can't use it, I don't care if you scream like a girl or run to fight another day, you can't just disappear in that alley. I agree with your above that a fight should be fair BUT... this is EVE and pirating is a trade, If you were a pirate would you fight fair fights ?? no because there is no profit in fair fights way too risky, This logging off "disappearing" should not happen as this is not right in the game logics, If you out speed them then fine if you warp out then fine but not just to disappear. Anyway this is just my point and I think there is nothing lower than this, even ore thieves aren't this low, If you don't want that risk of losing your ship then you just don't go to 0.4 and below, Cheating the pirates out of their pray is just ruining an aspect of the game. What the loggers are saying is that they want all space to be 1.0?? I don't get why they do it?? because they want loads of reward without any risk ?? well if that's the case why bother playing ?? Like I say I am no pirate but I can see why they hate this, and this is one of the reasons I left the last MMORPG as there was no risk in the high rewards. Sorry for the rambling on but this is something I think that needs addressing. _______________________________________________ Respect to all whom have gone down in a blaze of glory, and to those who got them,
von Steinroehder	Posted - 2004.06.22 19:13:00 - [52] ZhouTai, you are right with everything you say. It's just that ingame I am a honourable character, if I played a pirate, I'd wholeheartedly agree that I wouldn't fight fair As it stands now, I am quite disappointed that I can be attacked by other players just because they want to. IMHO I'm not even a carebear with this attitude - to me PvP should be a thing which both sides agree on. Pirating isn't my cup of tea, you might have noticed that by now. I respect pirates who actually roleplay their chars. I know that it isn't easily possible to roleplay before shooting because game mechanics make it too easy for the victim to escape. As such, I am a big fan of every game feature that supports pirating (and PvP) as it should be - not senseless 'shoot first, ask questions later' but a roleplayed experience, in which both parties stand a chance. I know 0.0 is insecure. Please don't tell me I shouldn't go there. I am not afraid of losing my assets out there. I am afraid however that dying at a blockaded gate isn't exactly what I call massive multiplayer online role playing, but more like unavoidable death without wits and cunning ever coming into play. And to be frank, I'd maybe chose the easy way out of that situation, if I have no chance of winning or escaping. It's just the basic instinct of staying alive...
ZhouTai	Posted - 2004.06.23 08:19:00 - [53] Von Steinroehder, You are right that most people that do this are using what they see as their only way out to not lose their implants/ship, What I would like (not quite sure how they can implement it though) is for this option not to be available. Also like you say I don't like the fact that there are so few access points to 0.0 space as this causes no way into 0.0 space unless you can out run them, I think IMO Corps/Alliances who claim 0.0 space should have to work to scout and defend their territory not just camp a bottle neck this would also mean these corps could not control the vast space they do now and leave more "no mans land". From what I hear from pirates is that if you don't camp the gates then there is not enough pray in 0.0 but I think if there was more access and less camping more people would venture in. _______________________________________________ Respect to all whom have gone down in a blaze of glory, and to those who got them,
Reluah	Posted - 2004.06.23 16:58:00 - [54] Edited by: Reluah on 23/06/2004 17:02:10 imo logging off to save your ship IS an exploit of game mechanics(read up the word 'exploit' be4 you comment on that anyway) however its not bannable, why? well there is the problem if actually telling the difference between logging off and ctd/disconnecting. while the GM's can see(im assuming this) if you actually logged or crashed or d/c'ed, you cant, and it would mean you would flood the GM's with exploit petitions where the subject had done nothing wrong etc.. also if theyactually took action against ppl who logged off it could still be worked around by pulling the plug on your computer, force a crash of the client etc. but indeed it IS lame because you are exploiting flawed(in this case) game mechanicks, just because your opponent isent playing fair its no reason to start cheating... i think 1 solution would be to have your ship not dissappear as long as it was under attack if you LOGGED off, however, some rules somewhat close to what is atm if they ctd or d/c.. would not prevent ppl from saving themselves when they realise there trapped and decide to log to save themselves, but it would make it a bit more work, and a little less favorable _______ m°f
Isiana	Posted - 2004.06.23 17:14:00 - [55] Had this as late as this morning, one indy saw the scrambling msg and loged, oh well not much u can do, but to wait until he comes back Carebear\|Me Alts
Easy Target	Posted - 2004.06.23 17:43:00 - [56] Quote: just because your opponent isent playing fair its no reason to start cheating... Why did that make me laugh?? ----------------------------------------------- No i'm not good... but i have never claimed to be -------------------- Moments of genius
Sabine Borgia	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:48:00 - [57] well im new to eve. the pirate things are new to me and i heard some storys bout camping gates and more well as long they dont act fair like 1v1 or at last 2v1 i also dont act fair and safe what i got so far and log out
Sabine Borgia	Posted - 2004.07.12 10:48:00 - [58] well im new to eve. the pirate things are new to me and i heard some storys bout camping gates and more well as long they dont act fair like 1v1 or at last 2v1 i also dont act fair and safe what i got so far and log out
Fred0	Posted - 2004.07.12 11:12:00 - [59] Using an out of game feature to get an advantage in game is lame. That includes all kinds of logons and logoffs. The idea is to minimize the influence from the real world to the game world. However, all kinds of OOG contamination of the gaming world can probably be used and abused to gain an advantage and therefore people will start to use them, and then it spreads...
Fred0	Posted - 2004.07.12 11:12:00 - [60] Using an out of game feature to get an advantage in game is lame. That includes all kinds of logons and logoffs. The idea is to minimize the influence from the real world to the game world. However, all kinds of OOG contamination of the gaming world can probably be used and abused to gain an advantage and therefore people will start to use them, and then it spreads...

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