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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.10 21:54:00 -
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I've been using this setup with excellent results.
[Harb: gank n tank]
Highs: 7x heavy pulse II
Meds: 1x web 1x 20km disruptor 2x large extender II
Lows: 2x heatsink II 1x rcu II 1x pds II 1x dc II 1x 1600mm rt
Rigs: 3x trimark or 1x each of kinetic, thermal and explosive armor resist rigs if your strapped for cash and will run in a larger gang.
Drones: 5x med ecm or 5x hammer II depending on gang setup.
If you can find a reasonably affordable lg slave set this will end up with 30k armor hp and a nice 12k+ shield buffer able to withstand moast cruiser dps on its own. Get a scout to provide a warp in under 10km and you will pwn pretty much any ship 1 vs 1 bc and lower with a very good chance at popping a low sp bs. Get at least three and go hunting properly fitted BS and pop them well before even one Harb gets anywhere near hull. 
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.10 22:16:00 -
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 Originally by: AstroPhobic
No propulsion mod? Check.
No cap mods? Check.
Armor and shield tanked? Check.
Un-necessary RCU? Check.
Don't fly the above setup.
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No need for a propulsion mod with a scout providing the warp in. Everything permaruns so why do I need a cap mod? Armor and shield tanked for total ehp as the extra 2 mids are not needed for tracking or cap mods. With maxed fitting skills that setup leaves 3 cpu and about 20ish grid leftover.
Works a charm. Was eating everything up on the test server and so far has yielded excellent results on tq with no losses and 14 kills over the last month.
But then again I forget this is the forums so I probaly just wasted this reply. 
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.10 22:32:00 -
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Looks like I got a live one it seems.
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Zeba
No need for a propulsion mod with a scout providing the warp in.
Uh, maintaining range, getting the hell out, getting range quickly?
Scout has this thing called target selection and won't ever bring me to a battle I can't win.
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Everything permaruns so why do I need a cap mod? Armor and shield tanked for total ehp as the extra 2 mids are not needed for tracking or cap mods. With maxed fitting skills that setup leaves 3 cpu and about 20ish grid leftover.
With a neut on you you're completely boned.
Good point. Guess its a good thing I never run with less than 3 gank ships along with the scout. And how is a cap recharger suppost to help vs a neut anyways? Or did you mean a cap injector? Again not needed as whatever is targeted dies in a flash and *whoosh* away we go to the next ss to setup the next gank.
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Works a charm. Was eating everything up on the test server and so far has yielded excellent results on tq with no losses and 14 kills over the last month.
That's great, I can kill people in a shield tanked thorax too if I wanted. Doesn't make it a good idea.
Sorry I didn't realize there was a CorrectÖ way you had to kill people? 
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But then again I forget this is the forums so I probaly just wasted this reply.
I can't really help you anyway if you're shield and armor buffering a harbinger.
I use whatever works as do many other people in the game. Sorry if I upset your Amarr fitting sensibilities. 
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.10 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 10/09/2008 22:59:27
Originally by: AstroPhobic
There's no arguing with you. All I can say is - I hope I find you on the battlefield, because you will certainly be riding home in a pod. 
Yeah I hear that alot in local. But it's always: "Next time I'll get you Gadget! Next time!!" as thye fly off in thier pod. 
Translation: Bring it.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 10/09/2008 23:11:36
Originally by: AstroPhobic
I understand your attitude for trying stuff that's against cookie cutter, but there's a good reason why it's cookie cutter. Lots of people enjoy flying a tempest, but there's a good reason why everyone else doesn't. Same goes for the muninn.
Translation: Forum duels are lame, but I'd be more than happy to show you why shield + armor tanking, and no propulsion mod = death.
I'm sure you could think up many counter fits to use against it 1 vs 1 or even 2 vs 2 or some other situation that will never happen outside a pre-set duel. But its not a 1 vs 1 fit. It's specifically designed for max ehp to be used in fast gangs as a super damage dealer. As stated above my scout will not under any circumstances warp me to somthing that won't die quickly. And as far as not using cookie cutter setups remember when nanoing your ship was treated as a lulz wtf are you doing flying that? Now look at it.
Originally by: Chienka
In b4 kessah's 1000 DPS setup.
Plz share? 
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Zeba
I'm sure you could think up many counter fits to use against it 1 vs 1 or even 2 vs 2 or some other situation that will never happen outside a pre-set duel.
Okay, one thing you cant seem to get through your head is that MWD is mandatory. Period. You can't expect to land within 10km of your target always, and with the new web change, you can't even expect to hold them. You can't expect to mantain good odds. You can't expect it not being bait.
Most importantly, flying into fights with certain odds means you can't even gauge your ship's worth. I could fly a miner rokh into fights with certain odds and get 12 kills too.
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But its not a 1 vs 1 fit. It's specifically designed for max ehp to be used in fast gangs as a super damage dealer. As stated above my scout will not under any circumstances warp me to somthing that won't die quickly. And as far as not using cookie cutter setups remember when nanoing your ship was treated as a lulz wtf are you doing flying that? Now look at it.
I'm sure if you spent a little bit of time on your setup you would see why it's simply dumb.
Do you even play Eve? 
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Zeba
Do you even play Eve?
Occasionally, but when I do it's not the kind where I get a scout to find me targets that I can always kill.
Ahh so its not really the fit its the manner in which its used. Srry bout that.
Heres a quote to live by then.
Originally by: David Hackworth.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Zeba
I'll help you out in a minute.
Thanks! 
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.11 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 11/09/2008 00:09:51
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Well, yeah, sure.
But fact is, if you insist on perfect scouting/etc/fighting in relatively clear local, you're going to miss out on some fights you could still win.
The more you insist on perfect target selection, the less fights you actually get. That's how it really works. There's some people who'll only fight at advantage and people who leeroy, but most of us are somewhere in the middle and want to get as much versatility out of our ships as possible (while retaining specific strenghts of the ship).
Well I only have so much of my Eve time devoted to pure pvp so I tend to go balls deep with it and stalk a high value target then pounce on them when the time is right. To me the thrill of the hunt is moar than worth the low kills per month. The fit works for me and is very low maintainance to be used for extended depolyments in hostile territory. (Pretty much everywhere for me :P) Now I hate to give op details out but how convinient would it be to have an armor buffer tank that rarely gets used due to the large shield buffer. Less time rr'ing at a safespot means a quicker gtfo option and you might need that barely touched armor buffer for a suprise reinforce from the targets mates.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.11 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 11/09/2008 00:34:31
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Your fit isn't... fitting due to CPU. I'll just assume you have a 5% cpu imp then, I dunno.
[Harbinger, Zeba - Fixed]
Same DPS, same EHP, but now has a MWD and has a "little" bit of survivability when it comes to neuts. I want to play around with ACR rigs soon, will come back to you.
Yeah always have full hardwirerings in as they are cheap as chips. Who doesn't? That fit will still work with one or both extenders changed to best named and really doesn't affect the overall buffer too much.
Good Harb fit and will work well for ops needing versitality. Kudos. However it does not meet my op requirements.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.11 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 11/09/2008 00:46:15
So for 10k less ehp I get better tracking I dont need as the target is always immobilized and well under 10km away when emerging from warp.
You see, what is happening here is not that I don't fit Harbs like you or others do as I do. Your just not understanding the role it plays in my ops is all and since I'm not about to give out any moar than I have we will just go round and round.
edit. lots of good fits though so far keep em coming.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.11 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 11/09/2008 01:05:17
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Well, what it sounds like is you go around and shoot people when you have overwhelming odds and just flat out gank with EHP/DPS. Where my fit is identical to yours, except now you have mobility! A-mazing.
How else do you flat out gank a target in hostile space except with overwhelming odds and ehp/dps? I don't need the tactical mobility of a mwd. I need the strategic mobility a self repairing buffer gives me. I need to land on top of the target and zap zap zap zap z*pop* goes the target then off to the safe spot with minimum damage needing manual repairs before he can even get his first reply off in local let alone call in reinforcements. 75% of the time they don't even switch target off the tackler.
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edit. lots of good fits though so far keep em coming.
That shield fit is straight ugly, don't even start.
I know thats why I bashed it in my reply. The others are good hence the "lots" part.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.11 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Then it doesn't even matter what ship you use, you could use a rokh with medium pulse lasers and still accomplish your goal.
I guess it all comes down to nothing at all.
Try sneaking in several bs with its abysmal align and go to warp speed in hostile territory. Plus the Harb in infinitely moar insurable after loss taking the fittings into consideration over any bs for near bs dps and buffer tank. Harb fits small roaming gang like a glove which is what I do. Again do you even play Eve? This should all be self evident imo.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.11 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson
thanks to everyone.
Your welcome Hunt.. errrrr.. InsanlyEvlPerson.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.09.12 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zana Kito
Harby is a great ship!
Indeed. Harb is one of the top pvp ships in the game and is probably the easiest ship to fit for near any pvp situation you could think of. Good as a solo ship or in gangs of all sizes and intentions. 
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