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Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.09.10 19:43:00 - [1] I had an alt in Pure a while back. I have to say, probably the nicest bunch of folks I've ever flown with in Eve. Really. In fact, I remember thinking that they were way too nice to hold space. I guess I was right. The memory that I have of them that illustrates it best is that I'd be kicking around out in one of their droneland systems with my 4 million skillpoint alt ratting, or mining, or whatever, and one of the leaders of the alliance, or one of the FCs, would come into the system and ask me if I minded if they ratted. Just plain nice guys. Everyone rags on them for being nappy, but I think it just reflects their personalities. I remember when they trooped off to fight BoB, and why. They were genuinely cheezed off about the T20 thing. Not the cynical forum trolling posturing kind of cheezed off. I mean genuinely cheezed off. I guess it's the kind of thing that would cheeze a nice guy off. Just seemed odd to me that guys like that would jump into the middle of a bunch of world class asshats like BoB and Goons. Never really could see them as the kind of guys who would lie to your face to try to get a spy in, or get admin rights so they could crash your shit in the middle of a fight. Point here isn't really to defend them, or rag on them. Just seems to me that you can't be as nice as they seemed to me to be and do what it takes to win in Eve '08. There are plenty of folks will do what it takes. Whatever it takes. Pretty tough for guys that nice to beat them.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.10 19:48:00 - [2] 1.) COAD is --> way 2.) "Nice" and "Good" are not mutually exclusive. They may be "nice". But they are too "bad" to hold space. 3.) If someone is ratting in a system, then I tend to ask them if it doesn't have 50 belts. So I would appreciate it if you would not talk down to us, based on whatever forum posts you may have seen. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Craleo Caldari Brotherhood Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.10 19:54:00 - [3] Originally by: An Anarchyyt 1.) COAD is --> way 2.) "Nice" and "Good" are not mutually exclusive. They may be "nice". But they are too "bad" to hold space. 3.) If someone is ratting in a system, then I tend to ask them if it doesn't have 50 belts. So I would appreciate it if you would not talk down to us, based on whatever forum posts you may have seen. Fofofofofofofofofofo
Robert Swann Gallente Church of Alvis New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.10 19:55:00 - [4] Originally by: An Anarchyyt 1.) COAD is --> way 2.) "Nice" and "Good" are not mutually exclusive. They may be "nice". But they are too "bad" to hold space. 3.) If someone is ratting in a system, then I tend to ask them if it doesn't have 50 belts. So I would appreciate it if you would not talk down to us, based on whatever forum posts you may have seen. You're in Goonswarm... and you want people NOT to talk down to you? Good luck with that.
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.10 19:56:00 - [5] Next week on "Touched by a Goon"... warp drive active \| nature vraie
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2008.09.10 19:57:00 - [6] I can't think of anything to post.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Robert Swann Originally by: An Anarchyyt 1.) COAD is --> way 2.) "Nice" and "Good" are not mutually exclusive. They may be "nice". But they are too "bad" to hold space. 3.) If someone is ratting in a system, then I tend to ask them if it doesn't have 50 belts. So I would appreciate it if you would not talk down to us, based on whatever forum posts you may have seen. You're in Goonswarm... and you want people NOT to talk down to you? Good luck with that. I simply want to reverse the misconception that Goons are bad people. Surely, there are some goons who have made certain posts. However, that is the prevailing interaction that many of you people have with Goons. Now, Goonswarm itself has a policy against this. I will not go into it except to say that people who act that way are dealt with. The important point here is that goons are upstanding people, and we deal with our own rabble-rousers. If people here have issues, I suggest they take it up in game. Anything else would simply be doing exactly what you are talking down to us for. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Havohej Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Imiarr Timshae I can't think of anything to post. I can. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Craleo Caldari Brotherhood Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:03:00 - [9] Originally by: An Anarchyyt The important point here is that goons are upstanding people, and we deal with our own rabble-rousers. If people here have issues, I suggest they take it up in game. Anything else would simply be doing exactly what you are talking down to us for. AHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA..... AGHAGGAHAHAHAHAAAAA... AHHhhhhaaaahhahhahaaaa.... Mommy make the funny stop, my belly hurts.
Tao Han Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Craleo Originally by: An Anarchyyt The important point here is that goons are upstanding people, and we deal with our own rabble-rousers. If people here have issues, I suggest they take it up in game. Anything else would simply be doing exactly what you are talking down to us for. AHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA..... AGHAGGAHAHAHAHAAAAA... AHHhhhhaaaahhahhahaaaa.... Mommy make the funny stop, my belly hurts.

An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:14:00 - [11] This, is very disheartening. If you people are hating Goons for what a few supposedly do, then why are you doing it yourself? It doesn't seem like a very honorable thing to do. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Robert Swann Gallente Church of Alvis New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:16:00 - [12] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Robert Swann Originally by: An Anarchyyt 1.) COAD is --> way 2.) "Nice" and "Good" are not mutually exclusive. They may be "nice". But they are too "bad" to hold space. 3.) If someone is ratting in a system, then I tend to ask them if it doesn't have 50 belts. So I would appreciate it if you would not talk down to us, based on whatever forum posts you may have seen. You're in Goonswarm... and you want people NOT to talk down to you? Good luck with that. I simply want to reverse the misconception that Goons are bad people. Surely, there are some goons who have made certain posts. However, that is the prevailing interaction that many of you people have with Goons. Now, Goonswarm itself has a policy against this. I will not go into it except to say that people who act that way are dealt with. The important point here is that goons are upstanding people, and we deal with our own rabble-rousers. If people here have issues, I suggest they take it up in game. Anything else would simply be doing exactly what you are talking down to us for. Don't take it personally, you make your own choices and that's fine. Me, I don't trust Goons, GS or anything connected with them; their entire purpose is to be SA goons, they aren't in the game for anything productive, and if they want to play that way, fine- but I'm not going to ever assume a Goon is anything but a goon and out to **** around for the lulz. GS may not be GF, but goons is goons, and you can't trust them. Sorry if you don't like it, but you're tainted by the company you keep. You can't expect people not to take issue with goons after what they've done in the past.
Robert Swann Gallente Church of Alvis New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:20:00 - [13] Originally by: An Anarchyyt This, is very disheartening. If you people are hating Goons for what a few supposedly do, then why are you doing it yourself? It doesn't seem like a very honorable thing to do. I don't "hate" goons. I really dislike how they comport themselves both in-game and on the forums. It's their stated purpose, and to take them at both their words and their actions isn't unreasonable. It's kind of hard to accept that someone might expect honorable treatment when their alliance hasn't ever really acted with honor.
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:20:00 - [14] Hey Come on now, Goonies are people too! There are cool people and *****s in every corp or alliance. It just depends on if your willing to find out for your self, or if you wanna take some one elses word for it. Give it a shot some time, that ***** who just blew away your HAC could be the coolest mofo you've ever met. hell it could even be a chick . Food for thought, you do the dishes _
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:22:00 - [15] Please show me where anyone in a position of authority has said that. You can say what you'd like, but the simple fact is you are basing it on hearsay, and internet rage. If you went and posted on SA, I am sure you would get a much better understanding of Goons. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Robert Swann Gallente Church of Alvis New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:29:00 - [16] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Please show me where anyone in a position of authority has said that. You can say what you'd like, but the simple fact is you are basing it on hearsay, and internet rage. If you went and posted on SA, I am sure you would get a much better understanding of Goons. You're kidding, right? A forum warrior like yourself should be more aware of Goons' history, especially of crapping on the forums. I harbor no "internet rage" against Goons. Maybe some do, but me- I just don't trust them, and nothing I've ever seen them do, either in-game or out, would lead me to think I ever would. Don't take it personally; it's not a slam on you or anyone specifically. But you are judged by the company you keep, and to many in EVE, that's not good company.
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:39:00 - [17] Pure are a great alliance. They were not quite hardcore enough for me, but all great guys and a wonderful alliance to have been a part of. Honestly they deserved better than getting steamrolled. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:45:00 - [18] sdrawkcab saw tsop ym fi eciton dluow enoyna fi rednoW ----------------- My EvE Comic
Havohej Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Saint Lazarus sdrawkcab saw tsop ym fi eciton dluow enoyna fi rednoW Unlikely, 'cause they're not noticing the obvious trolling going on ITT. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Alessandra Tourraine	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:55:00 - [20] So is this the new way for alts to get around the ticker requirements in CAOD? Just post CAOD stuff in General? In that case: Pure is horrible. They didn't help invade Delve out of some righteous indignation. They helped invade Delve because they were riding on the biggest bandwagon Eve has ever seen. They went South because they thought they could blend in with the crowd, maybe snag a few moons when Bob was dead, and that if maybe, just maybe, Bob survived, that Bob would forget all about them. Wrong. Bob did survive and now Bob is taking its revenge on all the Northern napmonkeys who took a seat on that big wide bandwagon. And what does Pure do? Fold. They aren't even putting up a fight for their systems. It's one thing to fight and lose. It's quite another to be too timid and too afraid of losing ships to even try to resist. When you do that, you lose something far more important than ships: your good name (if Pure ever had one), your pride and your self-respect. Go down fighting and you can at least say you gave it your best shot. Instead, slink out the door with your tail between your legs like a *****. Pure is choosing the latter.

Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.10 20:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Craleo Originally by: An Anarchyyt The important point here is that goons are upstanding people, and we deal with our own rabble-rousers. If people here have issues, I suggest they take it up in game. Anything else would simply be doing exactly what you are talking down to us for. AHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA..... AGHAGGAHAHAHAHAAAAA... AHHhhhhaaaahhahhahaaaa.... Mommy make the funny stop, my belly hurts. This tbh. Goons pride themselves for every single scam they make. The carrier history is brought every few months. And a goon stating that they are a bunch of good guys? Please there is not a single PR specialist that can make your image better. I don't realy know where goons get their pilots apart form the sth awful forum. As my RL friend that is a goon says they rly only treat good people from that forum. I would rly like to know what the goals of the goonswarm are cause they never reach them (remeber about destoying bob didn't work as you thought it did, worthless jihad swarm that realy didn't cause the market to crash and more) so goons should crawl uder their rock and never show their faces on forums that would make those forums a much better place. "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.09.10 21:06:00 - [22] Originally by: An Anarchyyt I simply want to reverse the misconception that Goons are bad people. Good luck with that. ----------
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.10 21:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Kurt Gergard This tbh. Goons pride themselves for every single scam they make. The carrier history is brought every few months. And a goon stating that they are a bunch of good guys? Please there is not a single PR specialist that can make your image better. I don't realy know where goons get their pilots apart form the sth awful forum. As my RL friend that is a goon says they rly only treat good people from that forum. I would rly like to know what the goals of the goonswarm are cause they never reach them (remeber about destoying bob didn't work as you thought it did, worthless jihad swarm that realy didn't cause the market to crash and more) so goons should crawl uder their rock and never show their faces on forums that would make those forums a much better place. I was only sort of able to read that. However, as my RL friend who is a PR Specialist says, your average person really has no idea what they're looking at, responding to, or talking about. So it's almost worthless to try and direct PR at every single person. I am more interested in exactly what you think the "goals" of Goonswarm are. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.10 21:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Kurt Gergard on 10/09/2008 21:17:05 edit: the post messed up itself. Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Kurt Gergard This tbh. Goons pride themselves for every single scam they make. The carrier history is brought every few months. And a goon stating that they are a bunch of good guys? Please there is not a single PR specialist that can make your image better. I don't realy know where goons get their pilots apart form the sth awful forum. As my RL friend that is a goon says they rly only treat good people from that forum. I would rly like to know what the goals of the goonswarm are cause they never reach them (remeber about destoying bob didn't work as you thought it did, worthless jihad swarm that realy didn't cause the market to crash and more) so goons should crawl uder their rock and never show their faces on forums that would make those forums a much better place. I was only sort of able to read that. However, as my RL friend who is a PR Specialist says, your average person really has no idea what they're looking at, responding to, or talking about. So it's almost worthless to try and direct PR at every single person. I am more interested in exactly what you think the "goals" of Goonswarm are. About the goals i ask you what your goals are. I know that you like to do nasty things in other mmo's like second life( and i don't care it's a rubish game after all) but what is astonishing you were able to make a bad name in eve where everybody apart from highsec missioners and miners are sociopaths that pray on other people missery (and i aprove i like this aspect of the game). Just think a moment about it. We acknowlage the presense of the goons we know what they are capable to do and have respect for that. Just don't tell us they are good people cause they aren't. That's realy my main point "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.10 21:18:00 - [25] From the moment we entered existence, and set our controls toward a greater future, our very existence has been villianized. We have been called a virus, a disease, a cancer on the Eve Universe. We began as no such thing. But after a legacy of harassment by those calling themselves The Alliance, it is what we have become. SA is a large community. Much much larger than Goonfleet. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Nice Guy	Posted - 2008.09.10 21:41:00 - [26] Whoohoo, a thread about me!
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.09.10 23:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Alessandra Tourraine So is this the new way for alts to get around the ticker requirements in CAOD? Just post CAOD stuff in General? The post wasn't really about Pure as much as it was about the fact that to be a powerhouse in 0.0 politics, you have to be ready willing and able to be pretty ruthless, both in game, and meta-game. Because there are people in the game who are, there isn't much room in the upper echelon for those who aren't. Those who are will always win. Quote: In that case: Pure is horrible. They didn't help invade Delve out of some righteous indignation. They helped invade Delve because they were riding on the biggest bandwagon Eve has ever seen. Don't know. I was there at the time, and internally I heard a lot of righteous indignation, and maybe a tiny bit of an outstanding grudge with some members of Fix, but not much greed. If you weren't there, you're talking out of your ass more than just a little. Quote: Wrong. Bob did survive and now Bob is taking its revenge on all the Northern napmonkeys who took a seat on that big wide bandwagon. I don't think you get BoB, or your might be a newer Bobbit that is being treated like a mushroom (kept in the dark and fed bullshit). They have never in their history needed an excuse to attack somebody, though they do come up with some nice ones to motivate their footsoldiers. If the "bandwagon" had never rolled they'd be tryina steamroll someone today regardless. It's called fun. Quote: And what does Pure do? Fold. They aren't even putting up a fight for their systems. It's one thing to fight and lose. It's quite another to be too timid and too afraid of losing ships to even try to resist. That was kinda the point of my post. They're nice guys, and probably have no business in a fight with the likes of BoB. Fundamentally, I think you have to think about how far you're willing to go, both in game and meta-game, to hold space. How important is it to you really? If you aren't willing to do whatever it takes to win, and your opponent is, bottom line is, you're going to lose. Folding is probably the smartest thing they can do. Quote: When you do that, you lose something far more important than ships: your good name (if Pure ever had one), your pride and your self-respect. We are both still talking about a game here, right? See, I think you're completely sincere here. I think that your actual pride and self respect are tied in to how you do in this game. I think that's true of many folks who reach the highest levels. It's what gives them their "the ends justify the means" outlook on the game. I think if you want to play at the highest level, you have to accept that that is where the bar is set. If it isn't that important to you, you're not going to be as willing to do anything it takes as a BoB is, and you'll lose to them every time. For what its worth, I don't think this thread belongs in coad. This is more a discussion about what it means, and what it takes, to progress in this game beyond a certain level. I don't think you can be a "nice guy".
Christina Bamar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Somealt Ofmine If the "bandwagon" had never rolled they'd be tryina steamroll someone today regardless. It's called fun. Right here you accidentally stumbled right onto the heart of the matter. BoB considers it fun to go and invade someone, pure does not. This is the fundamental reason why one is having more success than the other. Over and over again throughout the game, all other things aside, the more aggressive organization tends to out-do the more passive one. The passive side gets tired of constant fighting, wants breaks, and gradually loses numbers, slowly becoming less and less effective, while the aggressive side thrives off of the conflict, maintaining their numbers, and having more and more success. It's not that one side is "good" and the other isn't, it's that they enjoy the type of gameplay that leads to 0.0 success (namely constant warfare) while you and your friends do not.
Clinically Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.11 01:43:00 - [29] Are PURE so nice that they cry when you take stations off them? If so, I'm going to enjoy this even more than I thought, I like tears, especially NC tears. ________________ ANZAC Recruitment - NOW OPEN!
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.09.11 01:59:00 - [30] Mmmmm, salty! -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.11 03:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Winterblink Next week on "Touched by a Goon"... ROFLAMO! Regards, Jason Brisbane
Neesa Corrinne Dark Destiny Inc. Send More Paramedics	Posted - 2008.09.11 03:44:00 - [32] Originally by: An Anarchyyt 1.) COAD is --> way 2.) "Nice" and "Good" are not mutually exclusive. They may be "nice". But they are too "bad" to hold space. 3.) If someone is ratting in a system, then I tend to ask them if it doesn't have 50 belts. So I would appreciate it if you would not talk down to us, based on whatever forum posts you may have seen. I find it amusing that the people who have spent the last few years making themselves the most hated entity in gaming... and I'm not talking about just EVE, can sit here and spout this crap. In every game that goons play there are entities who form for no other reason than to kill goons because they makes such assess of themselves. @the OP: Pure may be nice guys internally, but externally they are just as smackmouthed as anyone else in EVE. Signature removed. Please note that all signatures must conform to forum rules and be no larger than 400-120 pixels with a maximum filesize of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Alessandra Tourraine	Posted - 2008.09.11 03:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Christina Bamar BoB considers it fun to go and invade someone, pure does not. This is the fundamental reason why one is having more success than the other. Over and over again throughout the game, all other things aside, the more aggressive organization tends to out-do the more passive one. The passive side gets tired of constant fighting, wants breaks, and gradually loses numbers, slowly becoming less and less effective, while the aggressive side thrives off of the conflict, maintaining their numbers, and having more and more success. It's not that one side is "good" and the other isn't, it's that they enjoy the type of gameplay that leads to 0.0 success (namely constant warfare) while you and your friends do not. Christina has it exactly right, and exposes the fundamental contradiction in what the OP is trying to pass off. If Pure is so "nice,'' were they NRDS? Were they welcoming all and sundry to come enjoy the fruits of their space? For that matter, if they are so "nice," why were they claiming sovereignity in 0.0 in the first place? Isn't the idea that this is my space and not anyone else's a bit selfish? Of course it is. And that is what Eve is supposed to be all about: rival groups duking it out for power. Read the Eve novel. What makes this universe go 'round are raw power and the leaders with the ability to create, mold and exert it. According to the official story, blackmail, betrayal, deception and raw force determine what happens in Eve, and that's just in Empire! The upshot is that Pure, and the rest of the Northern Coalition, understood this all perfectly. What they, including the original poster, have tried to do is whip up a sophisticated public relations campaign to attempt to convince Eve players that people who fail to protect themselves are "nice guys" and that everyone else are ruthless bad guys. The reality is that Pure is no "nicer" than anyone else. They have simply proven less capable within the context of the game, and within the subtype of the game (0.0), they have chosen to play. Unlike other MMOs, Eve is meant at its core to be competitive, to be about groups of players being able to influence the experience of other users. That may mean militarily, culturally or economically. Those who fail to compete are not "nicer." They are just failing to compete. Other games insulate players from one another. In most MMO's, one player has little or no ability to interfere with what other players can do. Millions of people seem to prefer that. But for those who do not, there is Eve. Don't try to pass off people who are playing less successfully as the "nice guys." It's demeaning to them, and it's demeaning to the game itself.
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.11 04:22:00 - [34] Originally by: An Anarchyyt 1.) COAD is --> way Fixed (linked) that for you.
Zaknussem Caldari The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.09.11 11:26:00 - [35] Normally, I don't post in CAOD-related threads, but I just happen to have an answer to a few things mentioned here: Originally by: An Anarchyst Please show me where anyone in a position of authority has said that. Thread title is a big clue. Further reading of that thread will give you the "anyone in a position of authority" bit, as well as confirming pretty much all the negative stuff posted about the Goons here. As a PR spokesman, you suck at your job.
Mehina Mhemumba Bodgit and Scarper Industrial	Posted - 2008.09.11 11:37:00 - [36] Successful Troll is successful.
ZenSuns mum	Posted - 2008.09.11 12:11:00 - [37] Out-of-hand-topic-ftl. All alliancesz fails, I win eve.
Black Tahee1	Posted - 2008.09.11 12:24:00 - [38] This topic has been hijacked by goonbags to try and make ppl believe they arent asshats!!! Epic Failure!
Viliny Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.11 12:30:00 - [39] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Please show me where anyone in a position of authority has said that. You can say what you'd like, but the simple fact is you are basing it on hearsay, and internet rage. If you went and posted on SA, I am sure you would get a much better understanding of Goons. On the risk of falling for another joke of yours... You spent alot of effort to get the image that you now have and now suddenly you want to be perceived differently?


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