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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2004.06.15 00:27:00 - [61] /emote captain kirk voice.... MUST... NOT... POST... CANNOT CONTROL... HAND... MIND WANDERING... MUST NOT PRESS... "POST REPLY"... GAHHHKK!!!! Posting for Numbnutz
Stoop	Posted - 2004.06.15 00:28:00 - [62] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 15/06/2004 00:27:43 dammit there goes my nobel peace prize HUG
Gafton	Posted - 2004.06.15 01:04:00 - [63] Tell ya what jade, i'll host your "ic" book on the pa site. You can link to it if you want. We'll show it to everyone and see who will read it. Me? I just skipped over it all to the replies that were made. I got better ways to waste my time than to read a make-believe story. As for pa "griefing" your thread, is that the best you can come up with? PA asked questions that you wouldnt answer, you instigated the flames because so far your "story" got negative reviews. As in the past you've locked your own threads cause you were losing the arguement, same thing just different way to go about it. You tell robey to not post with an alt that cant bring it, yet you do it yourself? Do you even see the hypocracy in what you write? Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead.
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.15 01:10:00 - [64] I don't care if you read it or not Gafton, it wasn't there for you. I object your guys flaming and trolling the thread until it was locked. And Robeyone's post was the most offensive of all. He knew exactly what he was doing. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Gafton	Posted - 2004.06.15 01:13:00 - [65] ok then. Next time you flame pa i'ma make my own thread to public complain about it. Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead.
Sweetwater	Posted - 2004.06.15 01:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Kronarty Edited by: Kronarty on 14/06/2004 22:41:19 Originally by: Jade Constantia It astounds me that we are on eve-online corp and organisation forums while these PA flamer guys are relishing their ability to kill an IC thread with coordinated breach of the forum posting rules. So far the only forum-rules-challenged individual here has been you. At least you admit it here: Originally by: Jade Constantia I waited out the full period of the 72 hour ban before posting with this character and it offends me that you would lie so blatently about this. Although you also denied it here: Originally by: Jade Constantia Then you discuss forum moderation and spread the false rumour that my account has been banned. And admitted it (previously) here: Jade's post in Jericho Forums Can you please stick to one version of the events? Thank you. Did I miss the response? What say you Jade? First you say you didn't get banned, then you admited it... which is it? And if you and/or a NAST official could answer the question posed at the begining of this post and the end of the other thread... What is the NCA's and NAST's stance on pirates?
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.15 01:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Gafton ok then. Next time you flame pa i'ma make my own thread to public complain about it. Next time I ever try to close and lock a thread you can hire a marching band and performing seal. I hate locked threads with a passion. I believe the locking of threads due to flaming is the worst possible mistake that can be made when dealing with forum abuse because it gives the abusers a victory. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.06.15 01:36:00 - [68] NO this was not an organised or premeditated destruction of your thread. Although I appreciate you spent a great deal of time organizing your account, to suggest the PA organization destroyed it is pure fiction. This thread had controversial material, as do so many, and fell victim to a disease that infests these forums. Threads about a conflict between two in-game parties have a very short lifespan. It's a little late to try and keep things civil you know. Despite my personal feelings in this matter, and towards you, I thought it was a good quality of writing. However, you can't blame us for it getting banned. We will address matters as we see fit. These forums may not be full of freedom of speech, but they allow equal time and public debate. Your thread won't be pristine and untouched by your opposition. It is the blessing and curse of this format, and frankly is moot. You could place bets on how many pages any given political topic goes before the lock. Yours is as subject to that as any of ours. ------- K. Raven
Sweetwater	Posted - 2004.06.15 02:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Swee**er Did I miss the response? What say you Jade? First you say you didn't get banned, then you admited it... which is it? Still refusing to answer? At least admit that you can't answer on the grounds that you might incriminate yourself. In the States we call that "Pleading the 5th."
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.15 02:22:00 - [70] Discussing moderation is a bannable office. Do I look stupid? And Kalast, I believe this current shower of flamers, trolls, harrassers, forum grief merchants alts and general idiots is proof enough of the PA organised response. Just look at this thread! Its full of utter nonense and trolling rubbish. All aimed at personally insulting me. The truth of this matter is that Pheonix Alliance is no-where in space. (As I write these words I have just helped knock out a lonely GODS kestrel in H-PA29 your "captial system". There are a scant few PA members hiding in stations from an allied fleet. Venal is otherwise empty) You are losing the war in space so you flame on the forums. Its pretty simple. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.06.15 02:47:00 - [71] Again I say that you presented controversial material of a nature many felt compelled to comment about and that spells doom for a thread. It's not fair perhaps but this board has it's rules. It's never done for the purpose of locking a thread, it's done because people feel strongly about the issue. You present a self-admittedly biased report, and find outrage when this bias is condemned? Nothing to see here, folks. ------- K. Raven
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.06.15 02:47:00 - [72] I have an idea PA: stop your members from trolling and come up with your own multi-post account of the war. Because I'm trying to read this forum and all this trolling is slowing it down. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Shiwan Khan	Posted - 2004.06.15 03:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Jade Constantia Edited by: Jade Constantia on 14/06/2004 20:37:34 I would like to protest and condemn in the strongest possible terms the organised and premeditated destruction of my IC account "14 days of the Great Northern War" which has just been trolled and flamed to the lock by Robeyone and friends of the PA. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=86799 Take a look at the thread please, consider the OOC disclaimer I placed at the beginning of the account. And then look at 5-6 pages of Phoenix Alliance flames, hate and vitriol leading to Robeyone making serious allegations about me posting while banned and then proceeding to get the thread locked. I presented this retelling as a gift to the Eve community to let people get an idea of the passage of this significant conflict between powers in the North of Eve and an attmept to enrich the game mythology by portraying the development of player led plot in regional conflict. This stuff is Eve alive and vital and dynamic. I am livid that OOC spoiler tactics from the PA have led to this account being locked and binned and thereby setting a precedent that any such material can be neutralised by a group of alliance flamers conducting a unified attack on any thread they don't like. Is this a new sort of warfare that literally targets all roleplaying and in-character play? Is this the game-plan of Robeyone and friends that by quite literally "griefing" to destruction an in character account on the forums they will force their enemies to quit? Its a sad day. And something of a nail in the coffin of free expression within the rules of the game when one group of players can total silence another group with flaming, trolling and bully-boy tactics. Very very poor indeed. FFS Jade, learn to type less PELASE. This whole post you made could have been summed up in a few short sentences. For Example: I am pi$$ed that Robeyone got my thread locked. I didnt mean to flame and this was only a story. Why do you hate me so?
OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2004.06.15 03:15:00 - [74] hi mum!!!!
Stoop	Posted - 2004.06.15 03:23:00 - [75] Originally by: Jade Constantia (As I write these words I have just helped knock out a lonely GODS kestrel in H-PA29 your "captial system". There are a scant few PA members hiding in stations from an allied fleet. Venal is otherwise empty) You are losing the war in space so you flame on the forums. Its pretty simple. That kestrel just broke the last straw in our back. We (GODS) admit loss, defeat by jericho. I guess that Kestrel of Alexanrdi B's and her pod kill must of meant absolute and utter defeat for her too, thats why she is no longer in your corp? Does the same logic apply?
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.06.15 03:25:00 - [76] Jade, can you plz do like the CCP does now, and after all RP posts do like a one-sentence -hint-?
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2004.06.15 03:51:00 - [77] jade shut up. you lost the forum wars. you know it. (Which is quite sad cuz thats all your good at). Anbd personally I think all 3rd party players should reply to this and get it locked and you banned from the forums for excesive whining. Didnt Orestes explain this to you already? oh and PA hasnt totally silenced you if they did you wouldnt have started this topic. ( trust me we wish they did). Same goes to the pa side as well cept they dont whine so much about they just lay out facts(fictional or real doesnt matter)you manipulate the system just like this right now. Essentially you posted this to try and get pa members banned form the forums. I just hope you get banned along with them if you succeed. PS- your recruiment thread was too long you lost me halfway through the 2nd post.your marketing skills are lacking --------------------------------------------
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.06.15 05:00:00 - [78] I will remind all PA that there have been a number of warnings issued regarding forum behaviour towards our members. Be nice. As for the specific topic in this thread, it does seem to be the pot calling the kettle black. But then I suppose I'm partisan as well. BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Johnathan Roark	Posted - 2004.06.15 05:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Jade Constantia Discussing moderation is a bannable office. Do I look stupid? And yet this entire thread over moderation? ------------------------------------- Quantum Industries
Matrix Aran	Posted - 2004.06.15 05:37:00 - [80] Um I still fail to see something here. This is an OOC for most of the time is it not? Then why is JAde posting an IC post anyhows? Kinda pointless from my point of view. If you wanted the thread flameproof It should have been in intergalactic summit or something. But posting in corps and aliances is begging to be flamed and locked. Sorry Jade, most of us wish roleplay would be flushed down the toilet. The facts of life, live with em, or fina another game. Or write a book, what I do durring some of the duller bits of the day.
SiRRuRg	Posted - 2004.06.15 06:16:00 - [81] Wow, all those threads would make a very live political debate on Eve-Radio. Imagine the work of the moderator in there making sure both sides can talk. As for the forum locking tactic, i don't think this can go unoticed. Errors can be made, but then we can always edit our posts or mods just deletes them. PS I do agree with Stavros on most of what he said in this thread.
Fred0	Posted - 2004.06.15 06:22:00 - [82] Take a look here at The thread Jade is whining about to make up your mind about who is posting stuff to get an aggressive response. I wouldn't blame Rob.
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2004.06.15 06:50:00 - [83] the mods are insane about the level of emotion in the forums, im not sure if CCP even really cares but whoever controls the forums wants us to be about as livid as a morgue... LIGHT Flaming, impassioned writing, dislike and personal attacks make the forum a more interesting place... cripes... DO ANY OF US WANT A FORUM FREE OF EMOTION FOR A GAME WE PAY MONTHLY FOR? hell no, some mod with a stick up his ass did. Maybe mister stick-up-ass needs to realise we run the game not CCP.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2004.06.15 07:05:00 - [84] OOC, Ahem...for god sakes just appriciate the effort that went into Jade's post. Those of you who whine how jade writes to much, god for bid you guys actually read something other than looking at pretty pictures in fishing magizines and ****os. And on the topic of logging in the middle of a fight. Ive seen more PA do this than what I heard NAST have...but im just a solo crow in the middle of Venal. And YES I admit that I have logged out of a fight before but it was out of RL issues and not to gain a tactical advantage. The locking of the thread was wrong. It should have been either. A. resulted in warnings or B. cleaned up and moveing to the summit or liabray (speeling is hard at the moment ) -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.06.15 08:19:00 - [85] Originally by: Jade Constantia Is this a new sort of warfare that literally targets all roleplaying and in-character play? Is this the game-plan of Robeyone and friends that by quite literally "griefing" to destruction an in character account on the forums they will force their enemies to quit? As much as I Hate alliances, and PA are my favourite to hate atm, if they are flaming you, baiting you, annoying you (Forcing you to make foolish posts and hence get your Character banned off the forums).... You could however just ignore them, let them be retards and spout ****, and just blow the crap out of em in Game..... Just my two cents, and just for the record Game > Forum.. Go get yer revenge in there.... Sass Arcane Technologies
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.15 08:21:00 - [86] Originally by: Xavier Cardde the mods are insane about the level of emotion in the forums, im not sure if CCP even really cares but whoever controls the forums wants us to be about as livid as a morgue... LIGHT Flaming, impassioned writing, dislike and personal attacks make the forum a more interesting place... cripes... DO ANY OF US WANT A FORUM FREE OF EMOTION FOR A GAME WE PAY MONTHLY FOR? hell no, some mod with a stick up his ass did. Maybe mister stick-up-ass needs to realise we run the game not CCP. I actually agree with this. Its not the flames and trolling per say I object too. Its the fact that they always achieve their object in closing specific threads. By giving into these idiots every single time the precedent is set that it is the lunatics not the orderlies that control this assylum. Clearly current PA tactics are akin to a five year old sitting in class and slamming the school desk repeatedly for an hour. Yet the teachers keep cancelling the lesson not removing the distruptive child. Line's need to be drawn. Sure some fire and passion is fine, and when poeple go too far they need warnings and bans. But the flamers and trolls must not be allow to dictate what threads get closed and what threads get open. For my part I am unsure of how to proceed here actually. The message I have taken from recent CCP changes in direction and focus is that they are actually trying to make the environment more roleplay active and flexible for those who would like to influence the backstory and plot. But the message of these forums is that roleplay posts (or indeed anything not liked by the PA) can be censored by other players simply conducting an organised "dirty protest" and formation spamming threads. CCP either wants roleplaying and intelligent discussion of in-gane issues or it doesn't. This situation needs clarifying. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.15 08:29:00 - [87] Quote: As much as I Hate alliances, and PA are my favourite to hate atm, if they are flaming you, baiting you, annoying you (Forcing you to make foolish posts and hence get your Character banned off the forums).... You could however just ignore them, let them be retards and spout ****, and just blow the crap out of em in Game..... Just my two cents, and just for the record Game > Forum.. Go get yer revenge in there.... Sass mate, its not the stuff directed at me that is annoying. And I know they would dearly love to bait me into doing something I would get banned for (hey they can keep trying till doomsday). It is the fact they got this particular thread locked after I went the extra mile to define the rules in the thread, and I even specifically asked the moderators to look out for this tactic (in advance). As you know for most of the last 14 days I have just been killing PA ships and fighting the war. This specific post was an attempt to tell the story for neutrals and interested listeners. I didn't give two hoots for what PA said about it. But it being locked was as victory for dirty play and something that sends appalling messages to the player base in my opinion. TBH, the reason this war of words has go so bitter is that PA is losing the war in space big-time. They are using the forums to do their fighting and release the frustrations they cannot address in-game. Fine perhaps to just ignore the forums altogether I guess, but that is like giving these people the "victory" they can't get in space. I like writing, I think I can tell a story. Such things are (I think) good for eve. And I don't believe the forums belong to the Phoenix Alliance anymore than space does. This is not a fight anyone should walk away from. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.15 08:33:00 - [88] I buy all that Sass, I really do, but all the same when I come on to the forums to post some narrative I am never going to put up with it being flames and trolled intentionally to the lock without protesting. PA ships will continue to die. Thats an in-game thing. But I pay part of my subscription for use of game-related forums. And I am not going to be griefed out of using them by cheats playing for the lock. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.06.15 08:38:00 - [89] Edited by: Sassinak on 15/06/2004 08:40:52 Then let em start the crap by whining and just dont give em the pleasure of a response, all you guys I really think should calm it down a little this is getting out of hand. The CA for exmaple have been a lot more quiet lately, I think prolly caus everyone accepts em now and cant really do much about em (Yes Even US) they are here to stay, as are PA (unfortunatly) and your Northern Coalition of Allies. CA have been in a perpetual state of war with Stain for the last 8-9 months now. This will remain the same as long as both are still happy blowing the **** out of each other(which they are) Just enjoy the fight, neither of ya are gonna go away, so just make the most of your war with the best fun you can have. Have awesome fleet fights, skirmishes, and a little smacktalk on the forum (never hurt to brag a little) Just try and be civil to one another basically, respect each other... I'll let you in on a lil' secret, shhh though.... "Its just a game" Enjoy it. PS. Deliberatly Flaming Constructive posts is out of order tbh, some people do spend a lot of time tryin to prepare all this stuff caus its what they enjoy. Dont spoil each others fun, its what 5 yr olds do.... Sass Arcane Technologies
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.06.15 08:47:00 - [90] I agree entirely, dont get this **ed Jade. Its only a forum thread, nothing to get angry over. And if you are especially **ed, login and blow up some PA -

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