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Jade Constantia
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantia on 14/06/2004 20:37:34
I would like to protest and condemn in the strongest possible terms the organised and premeditated destruction of my IC account "14 days of the Great Northern War" which has just been trolled and flamed to the lock by Robeyone and friends of the PA.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=86799
Take a look at the thread please, consider the OOC disclaimer I placed at the beginning of the account. And then look at 5-6 pages of Phoenix Alliance flames, hate and vitriol leading to Robeyone making serious allegations about me posting while banned and then proceeding to get the thread locked.
I presented this retelling as a gift to the Eve community to let people get an idea of the passage of this significant conflict between powers in the North of Eve and an attmept to enrich the game mythology by portraying the development of player led plot in regional conflict. This stuff is Eve alive and vital and dynamic.
I am livid that OOC spoiler tactics from the PA have led to this account being locked and binned and thereby setting a precedent that any such material can be neutralised by a group of alliance flamers conducting a unified attack on any thread they don't like.
Is this a new sort of warfare that literally targets all roleplaying and in-character play?
Is this the game-plan of Robeyone and friends that by quite literally "griefing" to destruction an in character account on the forums they will force their enemies to quit?
Its a sad day.
And something of a nail in the coffin of free expression within the rules of the game when one group of players can total silence another group with flaming, trolling and bully-boy tactics.
Very very poor indeed.
The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction and Public Forum
and introducing;
LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS
Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:30:00 -
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Why bother?
I am sure this thread will be locked within the next 7 minutes, anyhow.
The mods are all friggin nuts....
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Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Jade Constantia
I would like to protest and condemn in the strongest possible terms the organised and premeditated destruction of my IC account "14 days of the Great Northern War" which has just been trolled and flamed to the lock by Robeyone and friends of the PA.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=86799
Take a look at the thread please, consider the OOC disclaimer I placed at the beginning of the account. And then look at 5-6 pages of Phoenix Alliance flames, hate and vitriol leading to Robeyone making serious allegations about me posting while banned and then proceeding to get the thread locked.
I presented this retelling as a gift to the Eve community to let people get an any of the passage of this significant conflict between powers in the North of Eve and an attmept to enrich the game mythology by portraying the development of player led plot.
I am livid that OOC spoiler tactics from the PA have led to this account being locked and binned.
Is this a new sort of warfare that literally targets all roleplaying and in-character play?
Is this the game-plan of Robeyone and friends that by quite literally "griefing" to destruction an in character account on the forums they will force their enemies to quit?
Its a sad day.
And something of a nail in the coffin of free expression within the rules of the game when one group of players can total silence another group with flaming, trolling and bully-boy tactics.
I like your green background better. Although the name kinda has a sexy spanish ring to it.
I enjoy your post, please continue. I will refrain from posting on your topics. 
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:33:00 -
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The IC account still made claims though Jade and alot of PPL did flame yes but your side also offered no responce to question.
IE who are the claim mercs we hired? just the name of the corp as you say you cannot prove PA hired them but seem to deviate from any questions about them
NAST stance on piracy
Claims of being banned because you did admit you got banned on PA forums about a week and a half ago or so.
http://gods-eve.com/files/BANNED
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:38:00 -
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The email CCP and make your claim. Don't post it on the Forums. 
To anyone else this looks like more holy crusade then anything else.
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Jade Constantia
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:39:00 -
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Your alliance closed down an IC account of the war by flaming it to the lock.
That is what happened here.
The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction and Public Forum
and introducing;
LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS
Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
The IC account still made claims though Jade and alot of PPL did flame yes but your side also offered no responce to question.
IE who are the claim mercs we hired? just the name of the corp as you say you cannot prove PA hired them but seem to deviate from any questions about them
NAST stance on piracy
Claims of being banned because you did admit you got banned on PA forums about a week and a half ago or so.
http://gods-eve.com/files/BANNED
Could the pa please stop fibricating screenshots
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:40:00 -
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I believe any complaints about moderation should be sent to [email protected].
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: limpy bint
Could the pa please stop fibricating screenshots
Limpy Bint
http://www.newvenal.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=987&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
they aint fabricated thats the forum the pic was just to make it easier to find.
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Jade Constantia
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:47:00 -
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I am protesting against the tactics of the Phoenix Alliance in disgracefully playing for the lock by flaming my IC post until it was ruined.
Take Responsibility Robeyone.
You couldn't handle IC debate so you cynically set out to get my account of the war locked.
The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction and Public Forum
and introducing;
LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS
Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:47:00 -
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hehe jade you just dont give up. Maybe youll understand that there is very little between ooc and ic. Think of it this way. Jade is your puppet and you are the master whatever you ooc do to make ic jade do is ooc u telling ic u what to do so its the same really now get over it.
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
Originally by: limpy bint
Could the pa please stop fibricating screenshots
Limpy Bint
http://www.newvenal.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=987&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
they aint fabricated thats the forum the pic was just to make it easier to find.
hmmm think next time I had better add sarcasm tags for the 'slower' pa members.
Limpy Bint
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:54:00 -
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"OOC (out of character) Note
The following account and assessment of the military and political situation in the Northern War between Phoenix Alliance and Northern Coalition of Allies is told from the IC (in character) perspective of my character Jade Constantine. She has been an active participant in the fighting and eye-witness too many of the events discussed, and hence speaks of the things she has seen and understood from personal perspective. If you (the reader) find it difficult to differentiate between IC and OOC politics then I would advise you to skip this article and read something else. It is provided primarily to inform those who are interested in the progress of the northern war and are prepared and able to understand that IC voice means bias and subjective reporting. That said, I do believe it is pretty accurate and have confidence that reading this material in parallel with supporting documents and evidence (both films and threads and misc. data) will show that Jade is hardly living in a fantasy world (or a fantasy world within a fantasy world I should say ;)"
What you still seem to lag any grasp of is your own tuning in and out of character. This is a prime example of you posting something, but not keeping the difference between rp and rl. Soon as you do that, people will react to it as OOC and see everything you throw at them as a personal insult.
And as you race on in IC, and keep making up whatever happens or happened, you leave a mob size group of angry people who are only left with none or made up answers, cause it was all done IC. Either stick to IC or keep it OOC, and make a note of when you go to IC or OOC mode. Even the post you're making now are a total mix of it, and only makes you look silly tbh :/
Makes it look more and more like a game of roleplay gone totally nuts and are only damaging for the spectators wiew of it. And for what the umpteenth lock of a thread in this forum means, you brought those angry PA folks on yourself. Christ
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:54:00 -
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I also believe that ooc posts are permitted in the corp section. As was stated in the closed thread, i dont rp, and neither do most players. Posting ic and requiring ic replies was a waste of bandwidth. It was also stated in that thread that if you wanted ic replies to your ic post you move it to the summet. Since you didnt, you then chose to accept ooc responces to your thread. I believe you also posted ooc comments in that thread.
As for character assasination/destruction, you do it all the time jade. You do it to robey, you do it to bobby, you do it to halseth, you do it to me, you do it to pretty much any "enemy" you have. You did it in va, you did it nva, and you're doing it now. You're not banned from these forums for being nice, you get banned by insulting others. And no i'm not debating or discussing forum moderation, i'm repeating the rules 
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:54:00 -
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Oh, this is funny...
I guess no one expected Jade to lose the forum war as well as the ingame war.
Now THERE is a surprise.
Are you so desperate to base all your chances on an amazing recollection of lies that just got locked?
Jade, you need to take a deep breath and switch the PC off for a while, I see you are getting a bit edgy as of late.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:55:00 -
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NAST protesting the PA Tactics? you guys are the log in kings. How many times have your fleets loged out and logged back in just at the right time while communicating on TS/Ventrillo. The smart bombs at gates were cute, and the tiny frigate fleets looking for miners is typical...but to complain about a suposed tactic of the PA when you have fleet log out for a few hours and then they log back in as a "suprise" during battle. *plays tiny violin*
no one is going to care what ever you complain about. Fix your tactics and maybe people like me will even read what it is you are complaining about. until then I'd like to point your own Alexandra Belani's comment about "fairness" in war.
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:56:00 -
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I also believe that ooc posts are permitted in the corp section. As was stated in the closed thread, i dont rp, and neither do most players. Posting ic and requiring ic replies was a waste of bandwidth. It was also stated in that thread that if you wanted ic replies to your ic post you move it to the summet. Since you didnt, you then chose to accept ooc responces to your thread. I believe you also posted ooc comments in that thread. In case you didnt read that correctly i'll say it again
most people dont roleplay live with it
As for character assasination/destruction, you do it all the time jade. You do it to robey, you do it to bobby, you do it to halseth, you do it to me, you do it to pretty much any "enemy" you have. You did it in va, you did it nva, and you're doing it now. You're not banned from these forums for being nice, you get banned by insulting others. And no i'm not debating or discussing forum moderation, i'm repeating the rules
But i do like the nice whining of the post. I got cheese in the refrigerator and some *****ers in the closet. Wana have a snack?
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: limpy bint
hmmm think next time I had better add sarcasm tags for the 'slower' pa members.
Limpy Bint
Oh great first you call me a fabricator now you call me a minmater GEE thanks :P
HEH sorry so much going on in the forums should have realised it was sarcasm lol
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Jade Constantia
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:00:00 -
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spin it how you want boys, the indisputable truth (and I see you aren't even trying to dispute it) is that you just griefted a thread out of existance by flaming it.
The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction and Public Forum
and introducing;
LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS
Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:03:00 -
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Although I have few feelings one way or the other about this war, I do think it is a shame that IC posts are treated so callously. At the very least, replies should be kept in character (and if you don't like RP, don't reply at all) and those who claim to enforce the rules should have been more vigilant in keeping the thread flame free. And yet, once again, good threads get purposely derailed by flamers, and those who are supposed to defend the forums against this stuff end up enabling them and acting as their co-conspirators.
Nevertheless, I have to say that both sides could have used a few more deep breaths before replying to insults and accusations. I don't think you can fairly point the finger in one direction or the other; but that we can all observe with some sadness that the thread couldn't stay even remotely civil. I've only been here since December, but it seems an unwritten Law of the Forums that any intelligent or thoughtful discussions that should begin to form are quickly destroyed by flamers and lamers and the mods who empower them.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:03:00 -
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last I checked
Discussion of forum moderation is not allowed 
well, atleast thats what orestas and the lot say :)
- LLeBRing was here!!
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantia
spin it how you want boys, the indisputable truth (and I see you aren't even trying to dispute it) is that you just griefted a thread out of existance by flaming it.
wow dont u do the exact same thing? 
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:04:00 -
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I would like to say that people who can't make a distinction between in character and out of character shouldnt be playing a virtual reality game.
Your Alliance has no honour. At least I stand by my word.
Kthxbye
Alex
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:05:00 -
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lol jade. Like you've not flamed a thread to get it closed?
If you got a problem with something email the mods. Otherwise dun go cryin to momma every time the ebil pa are being mean and posting ooc when you wanted them to post ic. Grow and stop pouting. You want roleplaying, goto the roleplaying thread. If not dont post 
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Heine Shaver
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:06:00 -
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A sad day is when a political power in eve admits to ganking ceptors with long range terrorist tactics in empire. I like to pvp but not when people on my side use tactics fitting of a rat. Let them build resources in empire it means more fights down the road. Your making people not have fun becasue they have an orange bracket. Declare wars do whatever don't cheap gank.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantia
spin it how you want boys, the indisputable truth (and I see you aren't even trying to dispute it) is that you just griefted a thread out of existance by flaming it.
spin it how you want Jade, the idisputable truth (damn you think your always right don't you?) is that you grief in game and whine on the forums.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandra Belani
I would like to say that people who can't make a distinction between in character and out of character shouldnt be playing a virtual reality game.
Your Alliance has no honour. At least I stand by my word.
Kthxbye
Alex
our allaince don't work with Evol and m0o. if anyone has no honor it is your allaince.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:10:00 -
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lol mitch since when are u a forum personality
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Heine Shaver
A sad day is when a political power in eve admits to ganking ceptors with long range terrorist tactics in empire. I like to pvp but not when people on my side use tactics fitting of a rat. Let them build resources in empire it means more fights down the road. Your making people not have fun becasue they have an orange bracket. Declare wars do whatever don't cheap gank.
I take it your refering to FU ect using dispocible kessies to gank in empire.
But even so no offence but think every one agrees ALT POST SUCK.!
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.06.14 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kronarty on 14/06/2004 21:20:47
Originally by: Alexandra Belani
I would like to say that people who can't make a distinction between in character and out of character shouldnt be playing a virtual reality game.
You expect people to respond IC to a post that had BOTH IC and OOC points and that was posted by a 3 days old alt due to the reasons stated previously and that we all know?
It is just amazing that Jade couldn't wait for the 72 hours to pass before posting that unabridged enciclopaedia of lies. Is it going so badly for your so called "Coalition"?
Originally by: Alexandra Belani
Your Alliance has no honour. At least I stand by my word.
Your corporation doesn't even know the meaning of honour, so stop using the word and devaluating it.
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