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murder one
Gallente
Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.09.13 19:22:00 -
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Marauders are supposed to be the best at running missions. They need a little footnote next to the ship description: "Marauders are great at running missions in *high security space*.
If you're not some whiney carebear and try to use a Marauder in lowsec/0.0 to run missions with, you're in for a surprise. Due to their god awful sensor strength in conjunction with their huge signature radius they are extremely easy to probe out and the end result is that you're dead within 30-60 seconds of warping in to your mission if they pirates know what they're doing with a probe launcher.
Marauders need at least double their current sensor strength, if not triple. How are they supposed to operate 'a long way from their base of operations' if they keep getting probed out in under a minute while running a mission?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.13 19:25:00 -
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Heavily pre-nerfed, never buffed content.
CCP's specialty.
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SHOPS || Mission rewards revamp || better nanofix
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.09.13 19:26:00 -
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Try pulling in your drones.
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murder one
Gallente
Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.09.13 19:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Schalac
Try pulling in your drones.
Drones arn't the issue here genious.
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.13 19:38:00 -
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Been saying this for ages, mauraders sensor strength is basically ridiculous, it should be around 50, bs's sensor strength which is already too low is around 20-25, carriers around 75.
A maurader is a costly ship both in terms of isk and skills, if used in pvp then it will become a primary target for ecm, to combat this it should have a relatively high sensor strength.
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
The Cosa Nostra
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.13 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Schalac
Try pulling in your drones.
Drones arn't the issue here genious.
Quoting for epic.
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Spenz
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.13 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Schalac
Try pulling in your drones.
Drones arn't the issue here genious.
Drones are the issue. Why? That is what the pirates are probing out. CCP made it very very hard to probe out someone in a complex. However, they did nothing about the drones. So in turn, pirates always probe for someones drones, not for their ship.
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bnogo
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.13 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Schalac
Try pulling in your drones.
Drones arn't the issue here genious.
Drones are the issue. Why? That is what the pirates are probing out. CCP made it very very hard to probe out someone in a complex. However, they did nothing about the drones. So in turn, pirates always probe for someones drones, not for their ship.
as someone who has probed people down in missions, drones rock, but even missions can be probed down relatively easy. but ultimately, i would bet its the drones that are allowing you to get scanned out that quick.
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Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.09.13 20:15:00 -
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ccp already said they will not make marauders good at pvp. So, that means bad sensor strength, to purposely dissuade people from using them in pvp.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.13 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Schalac
Try pulling in your drones.
Drones arn't the issue here genious.
Drones are the issue. Why? That is what the pirates are probing out. CCP made it very very hard to probe out someone in a complex. However, they did nothing about the drones. So in turn, pirates always probe for someones drones, not for their ship.
Murder one is a pirate and a expert in probing people in low sec. He know his stuff, so if he think that a Marauder is too easy to probe, you can be pretty sure that it is too easy to probe.
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Kenneth McCoy
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.13 20:29:00 -
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*Shrug*
I mission with my Kronos in lowsec all the time.
And as far as PVP goes, ECCM works wonders.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The first genesis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.09.13 20:35:00 -
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Give them higher sensor strength and they dont have any disadvantages compared to normal BS, except their price. I doubt CCP would do something stupid like that.
Double their sensor strength and it takes 60-120 seconds to probe them down (roughly). Sounds like a big difference...
Doing missions in low sec is a bad idea anyway, doing them in a t2 battleship is just stupid unless you are sure there wont come pirates in system.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.09.13 21:24:00 -
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Just because he say he cares about mission runners doesn't mean he doesn't just want to be harder to jam in PvP....
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.09.13 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Schalac
Try pulling in your drones.
Drones arn't the issue here genious.
Drones are the issue. Why? That is what the pirates are probing out. CCP made it very very hard to probe out someone in a complex. However, they did nothing about the drones. So in turn, pirates always probe for someones drones, not for their ship.
You are pretty clueless. I won't even bother explaining. It's not worth feeding a carebear any helpful tidbit, they will simply latch onto you and never let go.
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Aztecs
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.13 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Schalac
Try pulling in your drones.
Drones arn't the issue here genious.
they are in drone space
and pew pewing them 
remember carebears arnt people they are flying pinyata's
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.09.13 23:09:00 -
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Own a marauder? Check
Build Marauders? Check
Would never take it out of high-sec? Check
Question in my mind is, why would I? It's obviously (very obviously) intended just as murder says it is. It's a T2 ship for those who've been flying a CNR forever and now want something else to brag about. End of story.
Can you take it out of high-sec? Sure. Can you PvP with it? Sure. Can you cost justify doing either based on what it costs and how much better it would be than something that cost a fifth as much? I don't see it.
Yeah, I could put an ECCM on it and get a Halo set and be pretty uber, for a very big price tag. That's swimming up stream, IMO.
Use it for what it's intended for, which is grinding high-sec missions. Oh, and buy yours in Lonetrek. The ones they sell up there are better. 
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Zaran Darkstar
Divine Slaves
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Posted - 2008.09.13 23:21:00 -
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What CCP and many players ignore is that low sensor stregth gets involved in Gurista missions where you are perma jammed with such a low sensor stregth.
Of cours now i ll get many replies suggesting that the jamming in missions is chance based but practice has proved to me that for some strange reason ECCM really works.
So the low sensor stregth gets you in trouble. I think it should be at least equal to that of a Tier 3 BS |
fairimear
Gallente
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.13 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 13/09/2008 23:28:54
HAHA not just marauders mate.
The scorpion for example;
"The few that have been built are but prototypes"
"not much is know about its ability's"
or some such.
There are several like it.
Descriptions never fit game play or RP.
Would be good if they stopped making EVE chronicles for a month and put the writers to work on some interesting and (shock and horror) relevant ship descriptions.
Bringing a type of class to PL. |
masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.09.14 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Reptzo
ccp already said they will not make marauders good at pvp. So, that means bad sensor strength, to purposely dissuade people from using them in pvp.
but the description says they are pvp ships! "exactly the ship for going on extended trips behind enemy lines."
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.09.14 02:28:00 -
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they would make excellent pvp ship with a logstics information warfare backup. 4 cannons with overheat and 3 heat sinks between the and 4 and of course half heat gain of a normal 8 gun ship that would cook its guns off in 2 vollies.
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.09.14 02:30:00 -
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Plenty of Golems in minnie and gallente space. That behind enemy lines enough for ya?
Also, not all marauders are PvE godlings. Take the Vargur, for example. Sad little thing, that one. Not that great for PvE, awful for PvP. I have no idea why people build them and even less idea why people BUY them.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.09.14 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Plenty of Golems in minnie and gallente space. That behind enemy lines enough for ya?
Also, not all marauders are PvE godlings. Take the Vargur, for example. Sad little thing, that one. Not that great for PvE, awful for PvP. I have no idea why people build them and even less idea why people BUY them.
Resell when boost comes.
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Siberys
Gallente
Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.09.14 02:38:00 -
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IMA GUN SHOOT U WITH MAH MUFFINAUDER!!!
T2 BS < Faction BS
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.09.14 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Reptzo
ccp already said they will not make marauders good at pvp.
Where? Link or reference please?
Originally by: Furb Killer
Give them higher sensor strength and they dont have any disadvantages compared to normal BS, except their price. I doubt CCP would do something stupid like that.
Sorry, how is that "stupid"? They are more expensive, they are T2, why wouldn't we expect them to be better?
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.09.14 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zaran Darkstar
What CCP and many players ignore is that low sensor stregth gets involved in Gurista missions where you are perma jammed with such a low sensor stregth.
Of cours now i ll get many replies suggesting that the jamming in missions is chance based but practice has proved to me that for some strange reason ECCM really works.
Just use a Golem vs. Guristas like you're supposed to and load fofs... Problem solved.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Zo5o
Gallente
Longcat is Long
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Posted - 2008.09.14 04:36:00 -
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Quote:
Of cours now i ll get many replies suggesting that the jamming in missions is chance based
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619821&page=2#49
The dev there isn't suggesting it, he's stating it as fact.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.14 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zo5o
Quote:
Of cours now i ll get many replies suggesting that the jamming in missions is chance based
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619821&page=2#49
The dev there isn't suggesting it, he's stating it as fact.
Suggestion: try it.
Steps for the lazy.
1 Buy abiddon.
2 tank to hell and back with 7 lows and 3 rigs.
3 Fit 4 eccm in mids.
4 Go to guristas gay jamming mission (any of them work)
5 Sit there for a while and see how many jamms you take.
6 Turn on all 4 eccm.
7 repeat 5
8 Whine on forums how the devs lied to us (optional)
*disclaimer* ive not actually done this, i have better things to do with my time. HOWEVER, I note that I get a lot less shooting time in my pally than my abby against guristas... Might be my imagination, but hey, never hurts to test.
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Akita T
yawn
I never knew it was possible to stretch your ego THAT much in 1 post
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.14 04:50:00 -
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just about everything is too easy to probe 
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.14 04:57:00 -
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So CCP makes the ultimate mission ship, and people complain that it's too easy to probe out and engage in non-consensual PvP. Figures.
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.09.14 06:41:00 -
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I too support Marauder sensor strength boost.... so it's harder to probe.... yes that's it... :) |
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