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Maaku Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.09.14 08:25:00 - [31] CCP deliberately gave Marauders a low sensor strength to inhibit their use in PVP. If they decided that they were indeed too easy to probe down, their logical recourse would be to give the Marauder a special bonus so that it would be (at least) no easier to probe down than its T1 counterpart. Problem solved without taking away the Marauder's weakness. I still wouldn't take one into lowsec, though.
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.09.14 10:32:00 - [32] Originally by: Zaran Darkstar What CCP and many players ignore is that low sensor stregth gets involved in Gurista missions where you are perma jammed with such a low sensor stregth. Of cours now i ll get many replies suggesting that the jamming in missions is chance based but practice has proved to me that for some strange reason ECCM really works. So the low sensor stregth gets you in trouble. I think it should be at least equal to that of a Tier 3 BS It is chance based, CCP has said it is chance based. For shits and giggles I took a Gurista mission and killed everything except the jammers then left, came back with 4x ECCM - Gravimetric IIs for a sensor strength of over 150 from memory and got jammed as much as I did with base sensor strength.
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.09.14 10:50:00 - [33] Marauders are fairly good as PvP ships, it would get used more if it wasn't so expensive. Cost is the only problem with them. Sensor strength is not the issue, you can fit 1 ECCM which will boost the sensor strength past that of the T1 ship. Raven is 22 SS, Golem + 1x ECCM = 27.4 and it gets an extra mid slot I think.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.09.14 10:53:00 - [34] Originally by: Reptzo ccp already said they will not make marauders good at pvp. So, that means bad sensor strength, to purposely dissuade people from using them in pvp. proof pls Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!!
Redback911 Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2008.09.14 11:29:00 - [35] Marauders aint even that much better than a BS for PVP. THe Paladin, for instance, is worse than an Abaddon. The sensor strength makes no sense at all.
fairimear Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.14 11:38:00 - [36] Marauders should get a sensor strength buff. Who cares if they get used for pvp and become the wtf pwn mobiles. ATM they are used 99.99999% of the time for mission running in empire. And of the marauders used the GOLEM is the mainstay. A entire class OF ADVANCED BATTLESHIP's in All but entirely safe space. Its bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!! Keep prices at 500mill, buff sensor strength = balanced for pvp. *Bringing a type of class to PL.*
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.14 11:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Furb Killer Give them higher sensor strength and they dont have any disadvantages compared to normal BS, except their price. I doubt CCP would do something stupid like that. Double their sensor strength and it takes 60-120 seconds to probe them down (roughly). Sounds like a big difference... Doing missions in low sec is a bad idea anyway, doing them in a t2 battleship is just stupid unless you are sure there wont come pirates in system. b..b..but that's what the piwats told us to do! Whhaaaaa! -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.09.14 12:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Redback911 Marauders aint even that much better than a BS for PVP. THe Paladin, for instance, is worse than an Abaddon. The sensor strength makes no sense at all. Yeah, they are a very risky investment for small gang pvp, and a massive waste of money for larger gang pvp. There isn't that much in it as you say. Abaddon only has much noticably worse capacitor but you have an extra rig slot and cap charge boosters and massive plate endurance tank ftw anyway! :D
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.14 12:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton just about everything is too easy to probe this ^ ... not that i am complaining about it though
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.14 22:01:00 - [40] I don't see massive fleets of Marauders roaming around wrecking people and terrorizing the galaxy. Very few people, if any at all, use them for PVP, and even when they do the low sensor strength isn't an issue. The sensor strength of marauders has nothing to do with how viable they are for PVP. If CCP didn't want them to be used in PVP they should just remove their guns/launchers. The low sensor strength only hurts the ships in PVE vs. ECM rats and the original point of the thread which is being disproportionately easy to probe out while flying missions in lowsec/0.0. Marauder pilots who have the balls to run missions with them in lowsec should at least have the same measure of security as a regular T1 BS pilot. And fitting ECCM doesn't help much at all, because the base sensor strength is so low in the first place adding one or two 96% ECCM doesn't add much when compared to applying the same modules to a normal T1 BS with normal sensor strength. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships

murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.14 22:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Spenz Originally by: murder one Originally by: Schalac Try pulling in your drones. Drones arn't the issue here genious. Drones are the issue. Why? That is what the pirates are probing out. CCP made it very very hard to probe out someone in a complex. However, they did nothing about the drones. So in turn, pirates always probe for someones drones, not for their ship. Murder one is a pirate and a expert in probing people in low sec. He know his stuff, so if he think that a Marauder is too easy to probe, you can be pretty sure that it is too easy to probe. Thanks Venkul. ^-^ @ Spenz: I know what I'm doing. No, drones are not the issue. Yes, I'm well aware of the mechanics concerning probing out drones instead of the target ship itself. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.14 22:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Akita T Heavily pre-nerfed, never buffed content. CCP's specialty. Truth.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.14 22:17:00 - [43] Originally by: murder one Marauder pilots who have the balls to run missions with them in lowsec should at least have the same measure of security as a regular T1 BS pilot. Marauder is a better mission ship. Better mission ship means more ISK/hour, or in other words more reward. More reward = more inherent risk should be involved.
El Yatta Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.14 22:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: murder one Marauder pilots who have the balls to run missions with them in lowsec should at least have the same measure of security as a regular T1 BS pilot. Marauder is a better mission ship. Better mission ship means more ISK/hour, or in other words more reward. More reward = more inherent risk should be involved. More risk is involved: same risk of death, but bigger risk of losing ISK, because you paid 8x the cost for the ship. Its also more risky because its a nice shiny kb icon, so people like me will more actively and persistantly hunt it. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces
Breaker77	Posted - 2008.09.14 22:51:00 - [45] Edited by: Breaker77 on 14/09/2008 22:51:02 Originally by: masternerdguy but the description says they are pvp ships! "exactly the ship for going on extended trips behind enemy lines." "exactly the ship for going on extended trips behind enemy lines" =/= "this is a PvP ship"
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.14 23:11:00 - [46] Quote: Give them higher sensor strength and they dont have any disadvantages compared to normal BS, except their price You're forgetting the extra month or two it takes to get itno one. Like others have said probably: It's the usual Pre-nerfed to hell and forgotten.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.09.14 23:31:00 - [47] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Schalac Try pulling in your drones. Drones arn't the issue here genious. You sir, no nothing about probing then. ----------------- Friends Forever
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.09.14 23:39:00 - [48] Actually, marauders are JUST FINE. What the OP needs to invest in is some skill, because getting caught with your pants down by an enemy scout is laughable, esp. when you're in a ship that is worth that amount. If you cant keep local open and watch the intell channels, maybe you should just fit a stab to your maruader, and buy yourself an extra minute to ignore the red in system. ----------------- Friends Forever
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.09.15 00:09:00 - [49] They were made to be for mission running. A boost would be against that original purpose. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.15 00:11:00 - [50] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Originally by: murder one Originally by: Schalac Try pulling in your drones. Drones arn't the issue here genious. You sir, no nothing about probing then. I know quite a bit about probing, in fact. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships

Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.15 00:11:00 - [51] Can an experienced manufacturer answer me this: just how low of a price might we eventually see Marauders drop to? What is the minimal potential price where the makers could still turn a marginal profit?
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.15 00:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Actually, marauders are JUST FINE. What the OP needs to invest in is some skill, because getting caught with your pants down by an enemy scout is laughable, esp. when you're in a ship that is worth that amount. If you cant keep local open and watch the intell channels, maybe you should just fit a stab to your maruader, and buy yourself an extra minute to ignore the red in system. Who said anything about ever being caught? [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships


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