Originally by: WNKyle

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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Originally by: Ralara

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Edited by: Ralara on 17/09/2008 06:52:09
Most evil thing I've done? Well, it was probably followed by the most altruistic thing I've ever done in Eve, too.

As a suicide ganker, it's my job to be mean to those haulers in space.

After a pretty unsuccessful night, I was about to go to bed when I found a hauler on autopilot towards a gate. It was late and I was tired. I scanned it's cargo and lo and behold - implants!

So I opened fire, blew up the hauler, collected the goods and warped to a station to sell my hard earned isk.

What I found, after investigation, was this:

http://doom.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=25321

Crap! The modules were worth nothing, the implants were the most basic... and SOIL? Who the hell transports 30 units of Soil and an Engineering skillbook ?

A newbie. A total newbie. Not an idiot - a total newbie - and I realised he had just probably done a couple of level 1 missions and was on his way to Jita to sell it for about 25 million isk - perhaps to buy his first ship above a frigate or cruiser.

I felt really bad.

I don't target newbies, I target idiots who carry 200m+ in their cargo hold on auto pilot.

So I looked up the market prices in Jita on sell orders and worked out just how much I cost him.... and sent him the isk with an apology and an explanation.

He messaged me back the next day and said thank you; that he held no grudge as I had given the isk back.

I still feel bad about doing that.

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Originally by: woootanoob

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haha wannabe griefer, go delete ure character, they guy lost AN INTERNET SPACESHIP why do you feel bad????

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Originally by: Ralara

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Edited by: Ralara on 17/09/2008 12:09:59

Originally by: woootanoob

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haha wannabe griefer, go delete ure character, they guy lost AN INTERNET SPACESHIP why do you feel bad????

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Firstly, do you think you can manage to type properly? kTHXLOL.

Anyway; yes I blew up his AN INTERNET SPACESHIP but as a new player to the game, especially one who is carrying all their stuff in one hauler, it can be quite off-putting to be flying along and then suddenly explode.

and get away with it etc. But to a new player, they really do think they're safe in high sec.

Now on the forums, I'll do my best to educate them on this fallacy but I'm not going to go out of my way to blow up new players; heck, I'll even try and avoid it if it's in empire.

Low-sec and 0.0: Have at you. But high sec? No, I won't do that. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's griefing because it's certainly within the game mechanics and rules as outlined by CCP but I do feel that killing a week old player in high sec is a bit of a petty thing to do.

I actually feel the same way about can-flipping innocent miners; I won't complain about it and I won't make a fuss but it's not something I'd partake in.

I'm not a "wannabe griefer" by any means as I don't go out of my way to cause pain, misery or to ruin the gaming experience of others. I *do* go out of my way to increase my gains by any means necessary; I'll suicide gank, I'll scam on contracts (well, not with my main, of course!), I've stolen from a corp before, I've hunted down ships in missions, attacked POSes to get access to the ships inside them... this is all part of the game and it's not griefing.

I can honestly say that I feel I've done no evil in this game, as far as a character can do evil that is.

I think the primary difference between myself (and others like me) and a griefer is that our main goal is not to **** off others. It's a by-product to be sure, but it's not the aim, not the goal.

And as for the example I gave in my first post here; I think what I did was right - to hand back the ISK - because a 25m haul is nothing to me; it's less than pocket change - hell on some particularly drunken nights in Jita, I've been known to give out billions in random ISK offers in local or to give away faction/deadspace items just because I can. So in perspective that loss was nothing; but to that new player, it seemed to be everything he had; hell there were rank one skill books in there for ENGINEERING which is almost about as basic as you can get when it comes to skill books - this was not some alt or an experienced player; this was an honest to god newbie who had been playing for a few hours of total game time; in my opinion it's not right to destroy all of that. It's the kind of action that can make someone not log in again; make them quit - this guy was still in his trial account at the time; I could have been responsible for making them quit the game.

Now if they'd been a 2 year old character and it'd been 5b isk of stuff in that hauler and they rage-quit the game; fine. They should know better. But this guy didn't have the chance to know better. There's no instruction manual, there's no real guide once you're out of the tutorials and so it's not fair to expect them to suck it up and continue playing.

So am I going to biomass my own accounts because I was nice to someone? No. I'm a nice guy. I don't feel ashamed for giving him isk back to cover his loss.

Yes it's just internet spaceships - and that 25m isk I gave was just internet spaceships money - ie worth nothing anyway. So what's your point?

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Originally by: Ralara

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Edited by: Ralara on 17/09/2008 12:09:59

Originally by: woootanoob

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haha wannabe griefer, go delete ure character, they guy lost AN INTERNET SPACESHIP why do you feel bad????

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And as for the example I gave in my first post here; I think what I did was right - to hand back the ISK - because a 25m haul is nothing to me; it's less than pocket change - hell on some particularly drunken nights in Jita, I've been known to give out billions in random ISK offers in local or to give away faction/deadspace items just because I can. So in perspective that loss was nothing; but to that new player, it seemed to be everything he had; hell there were rank one skill books in there for ENGINEERING which is almost about as basic as you can get when it comes to skill books - this was not some alt or an experienced player; this was an honest to god newbie who had been playing for a few hours of total game time; in my opinion it's not right to destroy all of that. It's the kind of action that can make someone not log in again; make them quit - this guy was still in his trial account at the time; I could have been responsible for making them quit the game.

Now if they'd been a 2 year old character and it'd been 5b isk of stuff in that hauler and they rage-quit the game; fine. They should know better. But this guy didn't have the chance to know better. There's no instruction manual, there's no real guide once you're out of the tutorials and so it's not fair to expect them to suck it up and continue playing.

So am I going to biomass my own accounts because I was nice to someone? No. I'm a nice guy. I don't feel ashamed for giving him isk back to cover his loss.

Yes it's just internet spaceships - and that 25m isk I gave was just internet spaceships money - ie worth nothing anyway. So what's your point?

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Originally by: Naga Elohim

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By giving him his isk back you showed all those carebears that pirates have feelings sometimes. We're not all emotionless clones bent on causing anguish and suffering.

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Originally by: Seth McKenzee

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Sb'ed a 2 month old players catalyst so for 2 weeks after he'd send me a letter every day telling me how much of a shithead ****** I am and how I lived in my moms basement and sucked on her **** for nutrients. So finally I contacted the dudes CEO told him he has one of two options. Option 1: I would wardec his whole corp with my sister corp and a merc corp and overall make his life miserable. Or Option 2: Which was kick the dude who was smacking me out of his corp.

He quickly chose option 2.

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Originally by: Seth McKenzee

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Sb'ed a 2 month old players catalyst so for 2 weeks after he'd send me a letter every day telling me how much of a shithead ****** I am and how I lived in my moms basement and sucked on her **** for nutrients. So finally I contacted the dudes CEO told him he has one of two options. Option 1: I would wardec his whole corp with my sister corp and a merc corp and overall make his life miserable. Or Option 2: Which was kick the dude who was smacking me out of his corp.

He quickly chose option 2.

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Originally by: Ralara

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Edited by: Ralara on 17/09/2008 06:52:09
Most evil thing I've done? Well, it was probably followed by the most altruistic thing I've ever done in Eve, too.

As a suicide ganker, it's my job to be mean to those haulers in space.

After a pretty unsuccessful night, I was about to go to bed when I found a hauler on autopilot towards a gate. It was late and I was tired. I scanned it's cargo and lo and behold - implants!

So I opened fire, blew up the hauler, collected the goods and warped to a station to sell my hard earned isk.

What I found, after investigation, was this:

http://doom.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=25321

Crap! The modules were worth nothing, the implants were the most basic... and SOIL? Who the hell transports 30 units of Soil and an Engineering skillbook ?

A newbie. A total newbie. Not an idiot - a total newbie - and I realised he had just probably done a couple of level 1 missions and was on his way to Jita to sell it for about 25 million isk - perhaps to buy his first ship above a frigate or cruiser.

I felt really bad.

I don't target newbies, I target idiots who carry 200m+ in their cargo hold on auto pilot.

So I looked up the market prices in Jita on sell orders and worked out just how much I cost him.... and sent him the isk with an apology and an explanation.

He messaged me back the next day and said thank you; that he held no grudge as I had given the isk back.

I still feel bad about doing that.

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Originally by: Naga Elohim

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I used to smartbomb frigates, shuttles and pods that would warp to 0 on a low/high sec border system.

I got some of the best drops in my Eve life. Snake and slave implants, datacores, carrier skillbooks. Anything thats small and worth alot of isk.

Sometimes i couldnt turn my smartbombs off fast enough and i would pod them.

I would roll on the floor laughing....Theyre 1 jump to safety and i blow them up 30m from the gate.

Evil...becuase i laughed each and everytime i killed someone and took extreme joy in it. I've killed alot of peeps like that im surprised i only have a 750K bounty on my head.

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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