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Qwan Deljun
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:31:00 -
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As you can tell I am relatively new and fly Amarr warships. So, what are the pros and cons of Pulse and Beam lasers. Which has the best DPS and puts out most damage?
Also, gatling vs normal? |
Degnar Oskold
Almost Epic
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:36:00 -
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Beams - Long Range, low Damage
Pulse - Short Ranged* , high damage
*Scorch crystals in T2 Pulse lasers make them long range, high damage.
The bigger the size of the guns (gatling is smallest), the lower the damage and shorter the range but the higher the tracking. So gatlings will hit small targets at close range but won't do much damage. Heavier guns will do more damage at longer range but struggle to hit smaller targets. |
Qwan Deljun
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
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So pulse gats on a frigate or destroyer would be good?
Thanks for the reply |
Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:43:00 -
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Qwan Deljun wrote:So pulse gats on a frigate or destroyer would be good? Thanks for the reply
I run the my coercers with Dual Light Pulses. Slicers generally use Medium Pulse Lasers (the largest small laser). When you need the tracking or extra fitting room use gatlings.
Beam lasers are generally unused for most PVP. There are some exceptions with larger ships but for frigate sized pvp stick with pulses. |
ceyriot
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:53:00 -
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The thing is, more tracking is good on a frigate - but small guns already track a lot. Also, frigates sometimes have a tracking bonus on top of that. Add in a web or scram and suddenly the need for more tracking is lost in almost all situations.
This goes for all class of guns, which is why the more dps guns are used most of the time.
Not Flyinghotpocket's alt. At all. |
Degnar Oskold
Almost Epic
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:02:00 -
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Qwan Deljun wrote:So pulse gats on a frigate or destroyer would be good? Thanks for the reply
I find the range on pulse gatlings to be a little low so I never use them. I always go with Dual Light Pulses on anything Frigate/Destroyer sized , except for Slicers which need Medium Pulse Lasers. |
DaRiKavus
Expendable Asset's
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:06:00 -
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Don't get too tied up in the whole argument that a certain ship must have a certain type of Laser fitted to it.
Focus on the facts.
Pulse-Higher DPS, Lower Volley, Shorter range and higher tracking
Beams- Lower DPS, Higher Volley, Longer Range and Lower Tracking.
Once you grasp this you can plan out what you want your ship to do, at what range you will be fighting in and what type of damage you want to put down.
Darik 07 |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:16:00 -
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Grog Drinker wrote:Beam lasers are generally unused for most PVP. There are some exceptions with larger ships but for frigate sized pvp stick with pulses.
You could build a lolfit beam slicer that does 110 dps @ 50 km. It'll pop if you sneeze too hard, but it's possible.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
VR Highfive
Hayabusa Hikotai
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:36:00 -
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Beam lasors also use more powergrid and CPU compared to Pulses so beams give you less room for other modules on your ships.
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Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:53:00 -
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Always fit pulse.
The only 2 ships in the game that should ever fit beams are the nightmare and the paladin which can both fit tachyons to good effect. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:46:00 -
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I can't really think of a situation where you use beam lasers.
Pulse with scorch has nice damage and range and in situations where your really need that long range you use Tachyons. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:01:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Always fit pulse.
The only 2 ships in the game that should ever fit beams are the nightmare and the paladin which can both fit tachyons to good effect.
Oracle with beams works great for null anoms..
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Saul Shardani
Red Core
Paradigm Shift Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:10:00 -
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I love meh Oracle with Tachs |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Exhale.
156
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:01:00 -
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ok, oracle too if youre a nano ***.
beam zealot is also quite good while we're at it. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:19:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Always fit pulse.
The only 2 ships in the game that should ever fit beams are the nightmare and the paladin which can both fit tachyons to good effect.
Oracles.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
378
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:19:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:ok, oracle too if youre a nano ***.
beam zealot is also quite good while we're at it.
Whoops missed this post.
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Qwan Deljun
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:48:00 -
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Whats the best ammo to use with these on a Punisher or should I be using lasers on a punisher?
I know that there is a school of thought out there that prefer to use projectile turrets on the punisher.
Discuss?
I am working towards a Harbinger as my cruiser and may load out my Coercer for missioning and rat hunts. |
Iria Ahrens
Holy Arena
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:12:00 -
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Qwan Deljun wrote:Whats the best ammo to use with these on a Punisher or should I be using lasers on a punisher?
I know that there is a school of thought out there that prefer to use projectile turrets on the punisher.
Discuss?
I am working towards a Harbinger as my cruiser and may load out my Coercer for missioning and rat hunts.
Usually, if you sneer at the ship bonuses, then there is a good reason. For example, maybe you are in a situation where your active tank sustainment is more important than your damage output, then projectiles can make a lot of sense.
In general I advise training skills that affect all ships over skills that are ship specific or limited use. Training artillery can be of limited use if you're flying amarr. Harbinger is a battlecruiser btw, not a cruiser. Use a BC for level 3s, a BC is just silly for 2s. If you're planning on using the harbinger for pvp, don't. If you're calling a harbinger your cruiser, then you need to spend more time in a cruiser so you can appreciate the difference.
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
79
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:07:00 -
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One more thing.
Weighted lasers favour high damage and range against ROF and tracking. Hardest to fit. High load of capacitor. (Heavy, Mega, Medium and so on...)
Multiplied lasers favour high tracking and ROF against damage and range. Easiest to fit. Light load on capacitor. (Dual, Quad, Focused, Gatling etc..)
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Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:27:00 -
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Qwan Deljun wrote:Whats the best ammo to use with these on a Punisher or should I be using lasers on a punisher?
I know that there is a school of thought out there that prefer to use projectile turrets on the punisher.
Discuss?
I am working towards a Harbinger as my cruiser and may load out my Coercer for missioning and rat hunts.
I have flown punishers with both autocannons and lasers. I prefer the laser versions to be honest. In a punisher its a safe bet that you will be slower than your opponent so they can easily pull range. With the range of lasers and scorch you can counter this somewhat.
If you want to know more about flying and fitting punishers for solo pvp I highly reccomend reading this blog:
http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.com/
Start from the beginning and read through "The Punisher Plan" |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1203
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:39:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Always fit pulse.
The only 2 ships in the game that should ever fit beams are the nightmare and the paladin which can both fit tachyons to good effect.
I've seen sniper zealots used quite well.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
426
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:24:00 -
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Qwan Deljun wrote:Whats the best ammo to use with these on a Punisher or should I be using lasers on a punisher?
I know that there is a school of thought out there that prefer to use projectile turrets on the punisher.
Discuss?
I am working towards a Harbinger as my cruiser and may load out my Coercer for missioning and rat hunts.
scorch for range
multifrequency for close targets
maybe have conflag, which is even better for close range but would only work vs bigger targets, so if you web a battleship conflag should hit very well. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:53:00 -
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Punisher isn't very good with lasers as it doesn't really get any benefit to using them, as opposed to Projectiles or Hybrids.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:00:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Always fit pulse.
The only 2 ships in the game that should ever fit beams are the nightmare and the paladin which can both fit tachyons to good effect.
i beg to differ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT1QIk2fZvM |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:03:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Punisher isn't very good with lasers as it doesn't really get any benefit to using them, as opposed to Projectiles or Hybrids.
except the ability to hit at 10km. or even 15. and less cap usage
where as blasters are what 5km-10km? and have to use way more cap to fire. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
191
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:12:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Punisher isn't very good with lasers as it doesn't really get any benefit to using them, as opposed to Projectiles or Hybrids. except the ability to hit at 10km. or even 15. and less cap usage where as blasters are what 5km-10km? and have to use way more cap to fire.
Punisher's base velocity is way too slow for it to be an effective kiter, utilizing the range that Scorch might give it.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:20:00 -
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scorch on a punisher makes it miss other frigates |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
191
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:22:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:scorch on a punisher makes it miss other frigates
So your point about range is moot anyway... 
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:48:00 -
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radio!!! |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
191
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:53:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:radio!!!
And do like 50 dps? :P
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
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