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Passin Through
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Posted - 2008.09.16 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Passin Through on 16/09/2008 21:54:57
From this thread here it appears that all fighters and drones orbit at less then 6km from ships:
Fighters: What Distance Do They Orbit When Attacking?
And this link shows that a large tech II smartbomb's area of effect is 6km:
Smartbomb Hit Radius
My question is ... what is the point of paying 2b or more for officer smartbomb mods when a Tech II version seems to be just as effective in killing fighters and drones? (Yes they do give a bit more hit points... but is that worth 2b isk?)
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:15:00 -
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Because the faction can hit out to 6500 and the command and officer can hit out to 8 or 9. Bye bye drones.
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Passin Through
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Farrqua
Because ...
As I already mentioned.... Tech II large smartbombs hit out to 6k and fighters and drones never go beyond 5k. So any large Tech II smartbomb will hit and kill them.
Again why spend 2b?
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Passin Through
Originally by: Farrqua
Because ...
As I already mentioned.... Tech II large smartbombs hit out to 6k and fighters and drones never go beyond 5k. So any large Tech II smartbomb will hit and kill them.
Again why spend 2b?
extra damage? lighter fittings?
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No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Again why spend 2b?
extra damage? lighter fittings?
More range = more chance to hit stuff (like Cit Torps, regular missiles, drones, frigates, etc).
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abrasive soap
Trident Enterprises
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: abrasive soap on 16/09/2008 22:24:15
Edited by: abrasive soap on 16/09/2008 22:22:30
Originally by: Passin Through
Originally by: Farrqua
Because ...
As I already mentioned.... Tech II large smartbombs hit out to 6k and fighters and drones never go beyond 5k. So any large Tech II smartbomb will hit and kill them.
Again why spend 2b?
the phoenix and the naglfar are dreadnoughts. phoenixes use citadel torpedoes and naglfars use citadel torpedoes and extra large projectiles. citadel torpedoes can be destroyed by sbs. you basically remove damage from 1 and a 1/2 dreads if you get a good sb(s). the extra range you get helps with this and also works well against any ships crazy enough to get within 10km or so of you. this is why they are used (aside from drones of course).
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:23:00 -
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It's not just to kill drones either. Non-faction, non-bonused webbers are 10km. Scramblers (as opposed to disruptors) are also short range.
Once you get to ships worth tens of billions, a mere T2 fit is a waste. Even on a billion-ISK carrier, a 100m faction smartbomb isn't completely out of place.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:23:00 -
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actually looking at it again you have some officer stuff like Luther and so on that can ht out to 10.5
Its also used for tacklers.
And why not. If they spend a bil or so for a cap ship, why not. Why do peeps fly multi billion isk ratting rigs. Because they can.
So basically more reach and damage. there is the reason I guess.
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Annowyn
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:27:00 -
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Aren't they also used to destroy dictor bubbles?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 16/09/2008 22:33:30
Originally by: Annowyn
Aren't they also used to destroy dictor bubbles?
Yeah
-Liang
Ed: And dictors on occasion. ;-)
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.17 03:08:00 -
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DB/TS isn't a waste.
Officer is a waste
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.17 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
DB/TS isn't a waste.
Officer is a waste
wts amarr navy 
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.09.17 05:11:00 -
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Well the op has a point IMO. If its just to kill drones and fighters a faction or even T2 (for the cheapkates) would be enough.
If you ask me, fitting officer SBs right now is a habbit of experienced capital pilots who used to get rid of dictor bubbles before heavy dictors came out. Nowadays any reasonable assault on a capital ship will include a hvy dictor.
Despite all this I would still fit officer SBs on motherships and titans, cause of the reasons stated by some above.. 2bils is nothing considering the 10s of bils of ISK u spent for these super-capital ships. On dreads and carriers its not worth the investment IHMO.
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.09.17 06:03:00 -
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ppl like to waist isk on shiny stuff they think might make a difference 
in the end a t2 or faction smartbomb is enough, it will kill drones, frigs, fighters, citadels, bubles...
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.17 06:08:00 -
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Battleship = 100mil = people put 30mil fit and 50mil in rigs on it
Mothership = 20bil = people put 5bil* in fit and 1bil in rigs on it
Doesn't seem very strange..expensive ship is only satisfying with proper fitting.
*this number may vary wildly based on the skill, experience, recklessness and general idiocy of the pilot
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Lubomir Penev
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Posted - 2008.09.17 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Passin Through
My question is ... what is the point of paying 2b or more for officer smartbomb mods when a Tech II version seems to be just as effective in killing fighters and drones? (Yes they do give a bit more hit points... but is that worth 2b isk?)
For one those smarties do more damage for less cap, so kill stuff faster and help cap stability.
And the increased range is nice for missiles, for drones that are not orbiting you (being recalled, being on their way, orbiting someone else). Also for bubbles, bombs and ships foolish enough to be in range.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.09.17 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Passin Through
My question is ... what is the point of paying 2b or more for officer smartbomb mods when a Tech II version seems to be just as effective in killing fighters and drones? (Yes they do give a bit more hit points... but is that worth 2b isk?)
Since Dictor bubbles (Warp Disrupt Probes) used to be the only way to tackle a Supercap (apart from anchoring a Mobile Medium/Large around it ...), smartbombs with large radius were used to pop those bubbles.
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Passin Through
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Posted - 2008.09.17 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Since Dictor bubbles (Warp Disrupt Probes) used to be the only way to tackle a Supercap (apart from anchoring a Mobile Medium/Large around it ...), smartbombs with large radius were used to pop those bubbles.
I can understand that... as how it use to be.
But now we have alot of people flying Onyx's and the like which use a modual to warp jam.
So it appears that on SuperCaps it might be worth the cost...
but on carriers and dreads it is not.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.17 20:17:00 -
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Whether it's "worth it" is probably largely up to the pilot of said ship. If you're asking whether the introduction of hictors should have caused a price drop in officer smartbombs, possibly, but in the end, an item is worth whatever the highest bidder will pay for it.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:31:00 -
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as capitals are very big and smartbomb effect starts from ships edge (atleast it did.. should do now too) the area thata officer bomb can hit is MUCH bigger than say 10km :)
most drones and fighters can be hit and allso citadel torps... because they are so bloody slow
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:37:00 -
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Let's hear it for 24k range smartbombs. That's one dead HIC.
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Idara
Caldari
Failure Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.18 00:36:00 -
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Used to be dictor bubbles were the only way to catch a supercap.
And a high end faction/officer smartbomb in addition to the supercaps large model would allow the officer Smartbombs to hit and pop the dictor bubbles while the lower end wouldn't be able to.
At least that's my understanding, now it's just HICs, so you ain't gonna SB them to death.
Still...pimp the supercap or face being laughed at.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.09.18 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Veldya on 18/09/2008 03:32:42
Typically a good faction SB is sufficient. Best optimal range of a Fighter if 5km, best optimal+falloff is 7km. Drones are worse, outside of Sentries of course.
Dark Blood EMP and several other faction SBs go out to 7.5km. A citadel Torp has 650hp and the best officer SB (Draclir) does 525 damage and has a range of 10.5km and a duration of 10s. DB deals 375 damage, range 7.5km and has a duration of 7.5s so you will still need two hits with either a faction or an office SB to take out a torp.
A base Torp has a 750m/s velocity so theoretically if a single officer SB can hit it once at long range it will hit it again just before it impacts, the same would be true for a faction SB although your margin for error is small.
However, when I used to fly a Phoenix I always fitted it with 3x hydraulic bay thrusters so the Rift torps had a velocity of about 1.6km/s. A lot more of the torps hit that way and with a slightly staggered launch you would at worst get 2 of the 3 home. It is a fair whack, a Phoenix in siege mode is putting out about 90k kinetic damage per volley from well outside 200km.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya
Dark Blood EMP and several other faction SBs go out to 7.5km. A citadel Torp has 650hp and the best officer SB (Draclir) does 525 damage and has a range of 10.5km and a duration of 10s. DB deals 375 damage, range 7.5km and has a duration of 7.5s so you will still need two hits with either a faction or an office SB to take out a torp.
All smartbombs have the same duration, 7.5s with lvl 5 skill, 7.12s with 5% implant. And from my experience, a single low-tier officer smartbomb is enough to kill any and all citadel torps.
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Presidio
Hug Nutz
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:08:00 -
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because if you spend that much isk on a cap (especially on super caps) might as well go balls out and get the best.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Annowyn
Aren't they also used to destroy dictor bubbles?
And that is also main reason why they are fitted on supercapitals. Altho that reason has somewhat ... lower priority nowdays, as one is held usually by HiC anyway nowdays.
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RogueWing
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:59:00 -
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T2 smartbombs require Energy Pulse Weapons V.
Officer/Faction smartbombs do not.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gamesguy on 18/09/2008 13:31:26
Originally by: Kunming
Well the op has a point IMO. If its just to kill drones and fighters a faction or even T2 (for the cheapkates) would be enough.
If you ask me, fitting officer SBs right now is a habbit of experienced capital pilots who used to get rid of dictor bubbles before heavy dictors came out. Nowadays any reasonable assault on a capital ship will include a hvy dictor.
Despite all this I would still fit officer SBs on motherships and titans, cause of the reasons stated by some above.. 2bils is nothing considering the 10s of bils of ISK u spent for these super-capital ships. On dreads and carriers its not worth the investment IHMO.
Disagree completely.
A ms is only about 15bil. You can get a very decent MS fitting(core x hardeners, corpum eanm, etc) for around 5bil.
Pimping is a waste, its not going to save your ship, and it will make replacing it that much more expensive.
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However, when I used to fly a Phoenix I always fitted it with 3x hydraulic bay thrusters so the Rift torps had a velocity of about 1.6km/s. A lot more of the torps hit that way and with a slightly staggered launch you would at worst get 2 of the 3 home. It is a fair whack, a Phoenix in siege mode is putting out about 90k kinetic damage per volley from well outside 200km.
Talk about a useless setup.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: RogueWing
T2 smartbombs require Energy Pulse Weapons V.
Officer/Faction smartbombs do not.
This, end of thread.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Evanade on 18/09/2008 14:31:48
Originally by: Rastigan
Originally by: RogueWing
T2 smartbombs require Energy Pulse Weapons V.
Officer/Faction smartbombs do not.
This, end of thread.
Why? Any self respecting supercap pilot should train that to 5 anyway, it's a massive dps boost.
Also, i fear regular dictors more than hictors because hictors are so ridiculously slow that neut + fighters will finish them off really fast, so the argument 'protection from bubbles' still stands firmly.
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Garien Suroe
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Posted - 2008.09.19 00:34:00 -
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So...if you don't use Officer SB on a supercap, what do you stick officer SBs on?
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Khalinea
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Posted - 2008.09.19 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Garien Suroe
So...if you don't use Officer SB on a supercap, what do you stick officer SBs on?
The market?
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.19 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
Edited by: Evanade on 18/09/2008 14:31:48
Originally by: Rastigan
Originally by: RogueWing
T2 smartbombs require Energy Pulse Weapons V.
Officer/Faction smartbombs do not.
This, end of thread.
Why? Any self respecting supercap pilot should train that to 5 anyway, it's a massive dps boost.
Also, i fear regular dictors more than hictors because hictors are so ridiculously slow that neut + fighters will finish them off really fast, so the argument 'protection from bubbles' still stands firmly.
Yes because 5% dps on smartbombs is a "massive dps boost".
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Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2008.09.19 03:08:00 -
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Obviously nobody in thread is willing to ruin their 'Hardcore' image.
Officer smartbombs are used becuase NPC's frigates orbit anywhere upto 9.5km. and everyone uses the Caps and Super caps for abit of PVE fun when they're not on the front line.
Theres also alot of Caldari Lvl 5 agent runners that like to use the Smartbombs to Ensure no warp disrupts.
And ofcourse, the Cenuij Class PK fit, where you sit between warp gates and run giant smartbombs all day to pop niave travelers, and shoo off Interceptors that tackle you.
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Gimpb
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.09.19 03:25:00 -
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The extra range also helps the user to effectively cover other caps (mainly dreads) with its SBs.
Besides, what else are you going to do with an officer SB? They drop so they're going to get used somwhere--super caps are the natural place.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.19 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Yes because 5% dps on smartbombs is a "massive dps boost".
80 vs 75 cycle time = 6.67% more dps. Add in 5% implant and you get an additional 5% more.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.09.19 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Khalinea
Originally by: Garien Suroe
So...if you don't use Officer SB on a supercap, what do you stick officer SBs on?
The market?
Man, I was hoping someone would someday want to buy these Dread Guristas large smartbombs I picked up out in 0.0. I certainly don't use them.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.19 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Khalinea
Originally by: Garien Suroe
So...if you don't use Officer SB on a supercap, what do you stick officer SBs on?
The market?
Man, I was hoping someone would someday want to buy these Dread Guristas large smartbombs I picked up out in 0.0. I certainly don't use them.
do i know you?
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.09.19 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Khalinea
Originally by: Garien Suroe
So...if you don't use Officer SB on a supercap, what do you stick officer SBs on?
The market?
Man, I was hoping someone would someday want to buy these Dread Guristas large smartbombs I picked up out in 0.0. I certainly don't use them.
do i know you?
Potentially. I did habitate Tri's space for quite some time and was on the other side of a bit of a scuffle with Tri when I was a noob. Now that space is owned by Pure (or at least the last time I bothered looking).
If you want them, all you have to do is go to pure space to pick them up - I certainly don't feel like making the pipe run through fully hostile space 
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.19 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
Originally by: Gamesguy
Yes because 5% dps on smartbombs is a "massive dps boost".
80 vs 75 cycle time = 6.67% more dps. Add in 5% implant and you get an additional 5% more.
And you cant use that implant if you don't have energy pulse weapons 5?
.5 seconds worth of faster cycle time is only around an extra 5-6 extra dps. Insignificant.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.19 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Evanade on 19/09/2008 07:15:33
Edited by: Evanade on 19/09/2008 07:14:55
Originally by: Gamesguy
And you cant use that implant if you don't have energy pulse weapons 5?
.5 seconds worth of faster cycle time is only around an extra 5-6 extra dps. Insignificant.
Every bit helps and due to the way bonuses are calculated the last skill level helps a bit more than the implant, but i use both. It's only 8 days of training anyway and when you're being swarmed with fighters and god knows what else you'll be glad for it. Plus, its the prerequisite for dd operation.
People spend weeks and hundreds of millions of isk to get tiny little advantages over others so this one is quite justified. Besides, 8 days of skilling is nothing when youre talking carrier 5 fighters 5 jump drive calib/fuel con 5 etc.
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Von Zarovick
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.09.24 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Evanade
Originally by: Gamesguy
Yes because 5% dps on smartbombs is a "massive dps boost".
80 vs 75 cycle time = 6.67% more dps. Add in 5% implant and you get an additional 5% more.
And you cant use that implant if you don't have energy pulse weapons 5?
.5 seconds worth of faster cycle time is only around an extra 5-6 extra dps. Insignificant.
to fly a titan you need that skill to level 5 anyways...
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.24 08:21:00 -
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Why do people drive Ferrari's?
Because they can.
Moms are the Ferrari's of capital ships - definitely not worth every single ISK, but a great tool for morale and to show others how much you can afford to put them on the line.
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Southern Cross Incorporated
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 13:08:00 -
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"Waste" is subjective.
If you have hundreds of billions of isk then why not officer fit your MS.
Hell, officer fit your Ibis if it makes you smile.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 13:15:00 -
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Main reason for officer smartys are bubbles. Mom bubbled by dictor has a chance to slowboat to probe and smack it with smarty to get away. With 5-6km smarty and good dictor placement you have to move almost 8km to get out. With officer smarty its down to around 5.
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Xiaodown
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Edited by: Gamesguy on 18/09/2008 13:31:26
Originally by: Kunming
Well the op has a point IMO. If its just to kill drones and fighters a faction or even T2 (for the cheapkates) would be enough.
If you ask me, fitting officer SBs right now is a habbit of experienced capital pilots who used to get rid of dictor bubbles before heavy dictors came out. Nowadays any reasonable assault on a capital ship will include a hvy dictor.
Despite all this I would still fit officer SBs on motherships and titans, cause of the reasons stated by some above.. 2bils is nothing considering the 10s of bils of ISK u spent for these super-capital ships. On dreads and carriers its not worth the investment IHMO.
Disagree completely.
A ms is only about 15bil. You can get a very decent MS fitting(core x hardeners, corpum eanm, etc) for around 5bil.
Pimping is a waste, its not going to save your ship, and it will make replacing it that much more expensive.
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However, when I used to fly a Phoenix I always fitted it with 3x hydraulic bay thrusters so the Rift torps had a velocity of about 1.6km/s. A lot more of the torps hit that way and with a slightly staggered launch you would at worst get 2 of the 3 home. It is a fair whack, a Phoenix in siege mode is putting out about 90k kinetic damage per volley from well outside 200km.
Talk about a useless setup.
See, I definitely don't own a mothership, but has it ever happened that a mothership pilot *almost* dies, but is saved by the slightly extra amount of dps they can tank from using a Core X-type as opposed to a Core B-Type or amarr navy or whatever? I mean, I just can't help but notice that the price increase from top faction to officer, or from bottom officer to top officer is SO huge... I know it's a prestige thing to have a pimp mothership, but if one is being practical, will it ever actually save you in a firefight?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xiaodown
See, I definitely don't own a mothership, but has it ever happened that a mothership pilot *almost* dies, but is saved by the slightly extra amount of dps they can tank from using a Core X-type as opposed to a Core B-Type or amarr navy or whatever? I mean, I just can't help but notice that the price increase from top faction to officer, or from bottom officer to top officer is SO huge... I know it's a prestige thing to have a pimp mothership, but if one is being practical, will it ever actually save you in a firefight?
In a very limited number of occasions, yes.
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steveid
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: steveid on 24/09/2008 14:28:46
I think that a lot of these fittings are bourne out of the fact of not wanting their fitting laughed at when they inevitably die.
ninja edit also .. whats more useful, a 2 bil smartbomb for your mom or having two wingmen extra in carriers who previously couldn't afford it?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
Edited by: steveid on 24/09/2008 14:28:46
I think that a lot of these fittings are bourne out of the fact of not wanting their fitting laughed at when they inevitably die.
ninja edit also .. whats more useful, a 2 bil smartbomb for your mom or having two wingmen extra in carriers who previously couldn't afford it?
I think 2b smarty - might pop that bubble. Otherwise you got 3 dead caps :D
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Finderup Soren
Caldari
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.09.25 09:31:00 -
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To answer the Author:
I would always put officer smartbombs on a supercap!! Again at least 1 10 km is "still" needed for the super cap pilot to be able to pop those VERY irritating normal dictor bubbles and also to do damage on the hics that operate within ur range.
Together with the officer smarty comes the "officer" neut that compliments ur officer web...... 1 neut and 1 web on a HIC + fighters.....
The last module is really last means of escape and really only works if u r in low sec or only 1 or 2 dictors that uses their focused scripts.... ECCM burst for mother ships....
I agree that since hics came into play officer smarts has "less" reason to be fitted but the reason why they were fitted r still out there and a nano dictor is hard to catch and fighters will not hit!
My 2 cents at least!
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Posted - 2008.09.25 12:22:00 -
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the most important stuff has been covered, but somethign is missing:
apart from usefulness (which is a bit reduced since hics) there is another factor...
remember that first time you went out pvp'ing in your t1 frig? the rush you got? all the adrenaline, from a game that plays like friggin excel? that was a nice feeling, wasnt it?
and it got weaker, with every ship you killed/lost?
see, and these days, if you want the same kind of rush, you just have to risk a few bil...
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