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Passin Through
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Posted - 2008.09.16 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Passin Through on 16/09/2008 21:54:57
From this thread here it appears that all fighters and drones orbit at less then 6km from ships:
Fighters: What Distance Do They Orbit When Attacking?
And this link shows that a large tech II smartbomb's area of effect is 6km:
Smartbomb Hit Radius
My question is ... what is the point of paying 2b or more for officer smartbomb mods when a Tech II version seems to be just as effective in killing fighters and drones? (Yes they do give a bit more hit points... but is that worth 2b isk?)
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:15:00 -
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Because the faction can hit out to 6500 and the command and officer can hit out to 8 or 9. Bye bye drones.
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Passin Through
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Farrqua
Because ...
As I already mentioned.... Tech II large smartbombs hit out to 6k and fighters and drones never go beyond 5k. So any large Tech II smartbomb will hit and kill them.
Again why spend 2b?
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Passin Through
Originally by: Farrqua
Because ...
As I already mentioned.... Tech II large smartbombs hit out to 6k and fighters and drones never go beyond 5k. So any large Tech II smartbomb will hit and kill them.
Again why spend 2b?
extra damage? lighter fittings?
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No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Again why spend 2b?
extra damage? lighter fittings?
More range = more chance to hit stuff (like Cit Torps, regular missiles, drones, frigates, etc).
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abrasive soap
Trident Enterprises
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: abrasive soap on 16/09/2008 22:24:15
Edited by: abrasive soap on 16/09/2008 22:22:30
Originally by: Passin Through
Originally by: Farrqua
Because ...
As I already mentioned.... Tech II large smartbombs hit out to 6k and fighters and drones never go beyond 5k. So any large Tech II smartbomb will hit and kill them.
Again why spend 2b?
the phoenix and the naglfar are dreadnoughts. phoenixes use citadel torpedoes and naglfars use citadel torpedoes and extra large projectiles. citadel torpedoes can be destroyed by sbs. you basically remove damage from 1 and a 1/2 dreads if you get a good sb(s). the extra range you get helps with this and also works well against any ships crazy enough to get within 10km or so of you. this is why they are used (aside from drones of course).
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:23:00 -
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It's not just to kill drones either. Non-faction, non-bonused webbers are 10km. Scramblers (as opposed to disruptors) are also short range.
Once you get to ships worth tens of billions, a mere T2 fit is a waste. Even on a billion-ISK carrier, a 100m faction smartbomb isn't completely out of place.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:23:00 -
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actually looking at it again you have some officer stuff like Luther and so on that can ht out to 10.5
Its also used for tacklers.
And why not. If they spend a bil or so for a cap ship, why not. Why do peeps fly multi billion isk ratting rigs. Because they can.
So basically more reach and damage. there is the reason I guess.
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Annowyn
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:27:00 -
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Aren't they also used to destroy dictor bubbles?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 16/09/2008 22:33:30
Originally by: Annowyn
Aren't they also used to destroy dictor bubbles?
Yeah
-Liang
Ed: And dictors on occasion. ;-)
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.17 03:08:00 -
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DB/TS isn't a waste.
Officer is a waste
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.17 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
DB/TS isn't a waste.
Officer is a waste
wts amarr navy 
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.09.17 05:11:00 -
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Well the op has a point IMO. If its just to kill drones and fighters a faction or even T2 (for the cheapkates) would be enough.
If you ask me, fitting officer SBs right now is a habbit of experienced capital pilots who used to get rid of dictor bubbles before heavy dictors came out. Nowadays any reasonable assault on a capital ship will include a hvy dictor.
Despite all this I would still fit officer SBs on motherships and titans, cause of the reasons stated by some above.. 2bils is nothing considering the 10s of bils of ISK u spent for these super-capital ships. On dreads and carriers its not worth the investment IHMO.
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.09.17 06:03:00 -
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ppl like to waist isk on shiny stuff they think might make a difference 
in the end a t2 or faction smartbomb is enough, it will kill drones, frigs, fighters, citadels, bubles...
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.17 06:08:00 -
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Battleship = 100mil = people put 30mil fit and 50mil in rigs on it
Mothership = 20bil = people put 5bil* in fit and 1bil in rigs on it
Doesn't seem very strange..expensive ship is only satisfying with proper fitting.
*this number may vary wildly based on the skill, experience, recklessness and general idiocy of the pilot
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Lubomir Penev
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Posted - 2008.09.17 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Passin Through
My question is ... what is the point of paying 2b or more for officer smartbomb mods when a Tech II version seems to be just as effective in killing fighters and drones? (Yes they do give a bit more hit points... but is that worth 2b isk?)
For one those smarties do more damage for less cap, so kill stuff faster and help cap stability.
And the increased range is nice for missiles, for drones that are not orbiting you (being recalled, being on their way, orbiting someone else). Also for bubbles, bombs and ships foolish enough to be in range.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.09.17 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Passin Through
My question is ... what is the point of paying 2b or more for officer smartbomb mods when a Tech II version seems to be just as effective in killing fighters and drones? (Yes they do give a bit more hit points... but is that worth 2b isk?)
Since Dictor bubbles (Warp Disrupt Probes) used to be the only way to tackle a Supercap (apart from anchoring a Mobile Medium/Large around it ...), smartbombs with large radius were used to pop those bubbles.
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Passin Through
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Posted - 2008.09.17 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Since Dictor bubbles (Warp Disrupt Probes) used to be the only way to tackle a Supercap (apart from anchoring a Mobile Medium/Large around it ...), smartbombs with large radius were used to pop those bubbles.
I can understand that... as how it use to be.
But now we have alot of people flying Onyx's and the like which use a modual to warp jam.
So it appears that on SuperCaps it might be worth the cost...
but on carriers and dreads it is not.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.17 20:17:00 -
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Whether it's "worth it" is probably largely up to the pilot of said ship. If you're asking whether the introduction of hictors should have caused a price drop in officer smartbombs, possibly, but in the end, an item is worth whatever the highest bidder will pay for it.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:31:00 -
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as capitals are very big and smartbomb effect starts from ships edge (atleast it did.. should do now too) the area thata officer bomb can hit is MUCH bigger than say 10km :)
most drones and fighters can be hit and allso citadel torps... because they are so bloody slow
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:37:00 -
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Let's hear it for 24k range smartbombs. That's one dead HIC.
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Idara
Caldari
Failure Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.18 00:36:00 -
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Used to be dictor bubbles were the only way to catch a supercap.
And a high end faction/officer smartbomb in addition to the supercaps large model would allow the officer Smartbombs to hit and pop the dictor bubbles while the lower end wouldn't be able to.
At least that's my understanding, now it's just HICs, so you ain't gonna SB them to death.
Still...pimp the supercap or face being laughed at.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.09.18 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Veldya on 18/09/2008 03:32:42
Typically a good faction SB is sufficient. Best optimal range of a Fighter if 5km, best optimal+falloff is 7km. Drones are worse, outside of Sentries of course.
Dark Blood EMP and several other faction SBs go out to 7.5km. A citadel Torp has 650hp and the best officer SB (Draclir) does 525 damage and has a range of 10.5km and a duration of 10s. DB deals 375 damage, range 7.5km and has a duration of 7.5s so you will still need two hits with either a faction or an office SB to take out a torp.
A base Torp has a 750m/s velocity so theoretically if a single officer SB can hit it once at long range it will hit it again just before it impacts, the same would be true for a faction SB although your margin for error is small.
However, when I used to fly a Phoenix I always fitted it with 3x hydraulic bay thrusters so the Rift torps had a velocity of about 1.6km/s. A lot more of the torps hit that way and with a slightly staggered launch you would at worst get 2 of the 3 home. It is a fair whack, a Phoenix in siege mode is putting out about 90k kinetic damage per volley from well outside 200km.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya
Dark Blood EMP and several other faction SBs go out to 7.5km. A citadel Torp has 650hp and the best officer SB (Draclir) does 525 damage and has a range of 10.5km and a duration of 10s. DB deals 375 damage, range 7.5km and has a duration of 7.5s so you will still need two hits with either a faction or an office SB to take out a torp.
All smartbombs have the same duration, 7.5s with lvl 5 skill, 7.12s with 5% implant. And from my experience, a single low-tier officer smartbomb is enough to kill any and all citadel torps.
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Presidio
Hug Nutz
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:08:00 -
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because if you spend that much isk on a cap (especially on super caps) might as well go balls out and get the best.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Annowyn
Aren't they also used to destroy dictor bubbles?
And that is also main reason why they are fitted on supercapitals. Altho that reason has somewhat ... lower priority nowdays, as one is held usually by HiC anyway nowdays.
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RogueWing
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:59:00 -
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T2 smartbombs require Energy Pulse Weapons V.
Officer/Faction smartbombs do not.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gamesguy on 18/09/2008 13:31:26
Originally by: Kunming
Well the op has a point IMO. If its just to kill drones and fighters a faction or even T2 (for the cheapkates) would be enough.
If you ask me, fitting officer SBs right now is a habbit of experienced capital pilots who used to get rid of dictor bubbles before heavy dictors came out. Nowadays any reasonable assault on a capital ship will include a hvy dictor.
Despite all this I would still fit officer SBs on motherships and titans, cause of the reasons stated by some above.. 2bils is nothing considering the 10s of bils of ISK u spent for these super-capital ships. On dreads and carriers its not worth the investment IHMO.
Disagree completely.
A ms is only about 15bil. You can get a very decent MS fitting(core x hardeners, corpum eanm, etc) for around 5bil.
Pimping is a waste, its not going to save your ship, and it will make replacing it that much more expensive.
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However, when I used to fly a Phoenix I always fitted it with 3x hydraulic bay thrusters so the Rift torps had a velocity of about 1.6km/s. A lot more of the torps hit that way and with a slightly staggered launch you would at worst get 2 of the 3 home. It is a fair whack, a Phoenix in siege mode is putting out about 90k kinetic damage per volley from well outside 200km.
Talk about a useless setup.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: RogueWing
T2 smartbombs require Energy Pulse Weapons V.
Officer/Faction smartbombs do not.
This, end of thread.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Evanade on 18/09/2008 14:31:48
Originally by: Rastigan
Originally by: RogueWing
T2 smartbombs require Energy Pulse Weapons V.
Officer/Faction smartbombs do not.
This, end of thread.
Why? Any self respecting supercap pilot should train that to 5 anyway, it's a massive dps boost.
Also, i fear regular dictors more than hictors because hictors are so ridiculously slow that neut + fighters will finish them off really fast, so the argument 'protection from bubbles' still stands firmly.
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