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Nate Guralman
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:22:00 -
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I'm a big-time carebear. I have alts that run a small mining corp (hulks, orcas, the works). I've never been to 0.0, I'm terrified while I'm in low sec, and I'm horrible at PVP. Hell, I created this character for the sole purpose of getting over my PVP phobia (I joined RvB as a form of therapy).
I see *nothing* wrong with griefers going after hulks in high-sec, and I support it 100%. This is EVE Online. It's what the whole game is about.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:24:00 -
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Even if it was one guy he killed every time it wouldn't be griefing, so how can killing all these different guys be griefing? |

Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
43
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:25:00 -
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I think that guy is an amateur, but we need more like him. |

Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
75
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:28:00 -
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Kyle Yanowski wrote:Sokniw wrote:they can warp away.. eve is like real life, who is to stop anyone from doing anything.. concord is there to enforce.. he kills a hulk.. he looses his ship. you rob a bank you go to jail..
The original poster has a point. You, however, are misguided. A hulk can,t warp away, because of the hulks terrible align time and acceleration. And a hulk cannot tank an overheated catalyst.... No matter the tank configuration. Bottom line, since the catalyst revisions, they are now the #1 ship of choice for highsec ganking. This was an oversight, and it should be addressed.
A catalyst can burn through 30k EHP in the time it takes concord to come in, I doubt that
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
395
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:29:00 -
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I say, who gives a crap. If these miners can't protect themselves then they should die. There is no excuse. None.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
43
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:30:00 -
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LOL. at all the Hulk pilots who don't bother with a tank and the whine when they are killed by a 1 M ISK Catalyst. |

Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:31:00 -
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Kyle Yanowski wrote:Sokniw wrote:they can warp away.. eve is like real life, who is to stop anyone from doing anything.. concord is there to enforce.. he kills a hulk.. he looses his ship. you rob a bank you go to jail..
The original poster has a point. You, however, are misguided. A hulk can,t warp away, because of the hulks terrible align time and acceleration. And a hulk cannot tank an overheated catalyst.... No matter the tank configuration. .
This is nonsense, a maxed catalyst overheating with everything going perfectly (not even possible) can only pump out about 10 - 12k damage before concord arrives. Even a normal hulk fit with a damage control will survive that (17k ehp +). It deosn't even need to run its booster. Hulks die because people want to go afk as long as possible and fit expanders and cargo optimisations. So they can play afk. So they can play afk. So they can play afk. |

Alxea
The Army of The Ori
62
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:36:00 -
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Eve is hard, adapt or die, get over it. I myself am actually building dozens of tornados to take out a whole lot of exhumers. Once they are done I am going to flood my KB with dead miners. XD Preparing for it has just taken a few days longer then expected. But this is a part of the sand box and CCP has said in fanfest they are not going to lie. EVE IS HARD! You want a place to have somebody hold your hand, go play WOW!  |

Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
43
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:38:00 -
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Miners in another forum were actually lobbying for ---extra midslots for Hulks.
A) They don't use the slots anyway - or fill them with Civilian Boosters and Cap Rechargers. B) Its not how many slots you have - its what you can fit in them.
Hilarious idiocy.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
460
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:39:00 -
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I contacted CCP about this as I was suspicious of his ability to repair his sec status, with such rapidity.
Apparently I was not the first to do so, and 'the matter is being investigated for possible mechanical exploit'.
I guess we will know the answer in a few days or so.
I'm curious as to what this guy discovered....not that it will be handy once we find out.........oh well. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:40:00 -
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Well griefing is directly related to 0.0
As more PvPr's get chased out of null-sec or get bored they come to high-sec to vent there frustrations.
0.0 has become entirely too stable.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
460
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:42:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Well griefing is directly related to a**hats.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

XJennieX
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:50:00 -
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look at all the internet tough guy griefers and gankers hurf blurf here. with more and more people killed in every day there will be point where ccp will see correlation between player numbers that quit and what is happening, and guess what happens then? you will be happy if you can fire a gun anymore in highsec in any circumstance against other player. and i will be smiling. |

Alxea
The Army of The Ori
62
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:51:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Why go to the part of eve where PvP is allowed and encouraged?
Oh yeah, thats right, targets in high-sec don't shoot back. Oh and its pretty much risk-free isk.
Gankers can't handle "actual" PvP, its as simple as that. Why bother when you can make yourself feel awesome with all those defenceless kills?
Forcing PvP onto those not interested in it, as well as newer players, is ultimately harming eve's continued development. What incentive do carebears and new players have to naturally move to low and null sec? They're already getting pwned in high by people collecting tears for their own amusement.
I for one believe that eve has two sides, equally important, PvP and PvE. Whatever side players get their enjoyment should be respected. PvP players have most of the galaxy to do their thing, and PvE players are happy in empire doing all those boring things, mining, hauling, making stuff, playing with spreadsheets etc. Thats what makes eve so awesome, that it is vast in its application, and people can get from it what they put in, and what they enjoy.
Never quite understood this vendeta that many PvP players have towards carebears, other than as i stated they don't shoot back. Personally, i think gankers have forced the issue. I now welcome and look forward to changes that make their life increasingly difficult. They might actually have to, "GASP!", fight people that fight back? OMG!
Of course, my opinion changes instantly if they actually fix the bounty system, but i think we all know by now thats never going to happen. Having a possible responce to ganking for players with no interest in PvP would justify ganking imo.
This is obviously a playstyle you don't like. We pay isk to get a kill because its fast and doesn't take hours. Your wrong about a lot of things. S-Gankers can fight people in real pvp, 90% of my kills are in lowsec and 0.0 in small gangs and solo, I don't have to prove myself anymore what I am capable of just because I change my playstyle due to time restrictions. Miners make themselves targets because they want a passive way to make isk where they can afk themselves into billionairs.
Eve is a sandbox and we do whatever we want to make isk or take things away from others. There are many forms of piracy and stealing. We may also just like to blow stuff up for the kicks or to get the tears out of others. You can be mad all you like bro. Nothing can stop us playing how we want to play the game. I am a serial murderer type of pirate and I love getting away with it. This is who I am in the game I play as a character. I have been many things. I am just playing this style more then I have in the past.
Maybe when they fix lowsec it will be fun again, but I got tired of the docking games and the time it takes to get a good fight. Now I just go to highsec and get a kill with some pocket change, make a little profession out of it, and battle time.
A -10.0 is not an easy life but I manage quite well. All you highsec huggers have no idea because you think being in the safety of highsec with all your NPC isk making is the hard life. You would be so wrong. Carebears are people who only care about themselves for personal gane and could care less of anybody else.
We are the solution to the carebear infection because we are the cure!  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5831
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:59:00 -
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Kyle Yanowski wrote:The original poster has a point. You, however, are misguided.
A hulk can,t warp away, because of the hulks terrible align time and acceleration. And a hulk cannot tank an overheated catalyst.... No matter the tank configuration. EhmGǪ So overheated catalysts can deliver 1000 DPS now (which is what's needed to eat through 30k EHP in 30 seconds before CONCORD says helloGǪ)? Wow. I need to recheck my fits.
Also, hulks can warp away just fine as long as they stay aligned. That's the whole point of aligning, after allGǪ
Alxea wrote:A -10.0 is not an easy life but I manage quite well. All you highsec huggers have no idea because you think being in the safety of highsec with all your NPC isk making is the hard life. You would be so wrong. Carebears are people who only care about themselves for personal gane and could care less of anybody else. GǪthough you'd have to admit that it would be harder still of said carebears would actually take advantage of that -10 status and kill you. Granted, that will never ever happen, but still GÇö in theory and all that.  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

TravisWB
The Gallente Rangers
39
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:03:00 -
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Well I have never lost a Hulk to ganking because the truth is if you have even a clue about what is happening in your area you can pretty much mine untanked and afk. Next, a Hulk is intended for high production mining, You actually cannot fit much useful tank at all unless you completely defeat the whole purpose of having a Hulk in the first place. The Hulk has limited grid and cpu, so if you tank it you can figure on giving up a strip miner. At that point you might as well just fly Covetors. PVP? Pvp in this game is actually the most broken thing about this game. Pvp is mostly about forming up small gangs and camping a gate hoping you have a five to one superiority in numbers so none of you get popped. Hisec or low, pretty much that is PVP Null sec PVP? That is just the part of the game where where most of the players are willing to be living drones, waiting for a FC to tell them who to shoot at as part of giant combat fail blobs Which is what brings us to this problem EVE has The Hulk griefers are by and large, disillusioned null sec pilots that are bored out of their minds The evidence for this is just look at the gankers themselves. Most have been in the game more than 2 years and can fly t1 ships fitted all t2. Nearly all have high SP hisec indy alts that provide the support that a -10 sec status player must have to operate in hisec And who are they killing? Clueless noobs for the most part The average Hulk pilot has been in the game way less than a year, doesn't really understand local, or contacts, or tank, or mechanics, or anything. THEY ARE NOOBS And this is the meat upon which the dogs of EVE PVP feast. The helpless, defenseless and clueless They should be ashamed, as should CCP for creating a universe such as this Immediate fix to this problem A -10 sec status player should not be able to enter any system above .5 ever. The gates should simply just not work for them As it is, sec status is just a joke and the joke is on the hisec |

Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
75
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:03:00 -
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Doddy wrote: This is nonsense, a maxed catalyst overheating with everything going perfectly (not even possible) can only pump out about 10 - 12k damage before concord arrives. Even a normal hulk fit with a damage control will survive that (17k ehp +). It deosn't even need to run its booster. Hulks die because people want to go afk as long as possible and fit expanders and cargo optimisations. So they can play afk. So they can play afk. So they can play afk.
So this, you can get around 32K EHP out of a Hulk, 24 and still fit an MLU, if you miners dont believe, I will provide fittings |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5835
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:16:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:A -10 sec status player should not be able to enter any system above .5 ever. The gates should simply just not work for them
As it is, sec status is just a joke and the joke is on the hisec Funny thing is, this is already the caseGǪ
GǪif you choose it to be so. It's only a joke because highsec dwellers make it a joke rather than take care of business. Also, they're making it easier for low-status players to travel around highsec, so there goes your dreams and hopes up in a puff of smoke. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
451
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:25:00 -
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Run out of small dogs and kittens RL? No more toads to stuff full of fire crackers? Younger siblings move out of your parent's basement and left you all alone? Baby seals too far north?
Play Eve then! Gank some miners, you too can be an internet tough guy! |

snake pies
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:43:00 -
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if you're a miner and you think the rest of eve is out to get you, you should stop mining, so that ships costs increase and the rest pick up the tab for that.
Come back to mining when losing a hulk everyday is still profitable.
Do something else till then, learn another aspect of the game, like PI, trading minerals :), etc.. All passive activities like mining.
In eve, you must not get mad, you must get even, or you lose. |

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
499
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:44:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I contacted CCP about this as I was suspicious of his ability to repair his sec status, with such rapidity.
Apparently I was not the first to do so, and 'the matter is being investigated for possible mechanical exploit'.
I guess we will know the answer in a few days or so.
I'm curious as to what this guy discovered....not that it will be handy once we find out.........oh well.
Nom nom speculation, interweb spaceship pixeldramalamasoap, best soap, etc.
Alot of people also don't really know how easy you can work up sec, but that's for another thread. shiptoastin' liek a baws |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
436
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:47:00 -
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Posting irrelevant videos of fits that no longer work due to changes made by CCP to support your argument: win. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
420
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:08:00 -
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Those men are heroes. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
461
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TravisWB wrote:A -10 sec status player should not be able to enter any system above .5 ever. The gates should simply just not work for them
Funny thing is, this is already the caseGǪ
WRONG !!!!!
A -10 Pod can fly to an Orca full of Catalysts even if he managed somehow a -12.  OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
461
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:22:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I contacted CCP about this as I was suspicious of his ability to repair his sec status, with such rapidity.
Apparently I was not the first to do so, and 'the matter is being investigated for possible mechanical exploit'.
I guess we will know the answer in a few days or so.
I'm curious as to what this guy discovered....not that it will be handy once we find out.........oh well. Nom nom speculation, interweb spaceship pixeldramalamasoap, best soap, etc. Alot of people also don't really know how easy you can work up sec, but that's for another thread.
It ain't so much that as managing to get all the pods too. SOLO.
Exploit reek detected. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Severe Pain
Never Ask Why
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:25:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I contacted CCP about this as I was suspicious of his ability to repair his sec status, with such rapidity.
Well this sounds kinda interesting. My sec status is -10, so how much sec status repairing I have done lately? Or do you mean that it went down to -10 way too fast? :) But surely everyone knows that ratting in 0.0 will bring your sec status up from -10 to 0 in about a week or two.
TravisWB wrote:Well And who are they killing? Clueless noobs for the most part The average Hulk pilot has been in the game way less than a year, doesn't really understand local, or contacts, or tank, or mechanics, or anything. THEY ARE NOOBS
And this is the meat upon which the dogs of EVE PVP feast. The helpless, defenseless and clueless
Totally noobs don't have isks or skills to fly a hulk. Those "noobs" who are now flying hulks and getting killed just don't know their place in EVE universe :) It is ok to get killed once, but if you keep dying then you are too stubborn or stupid to learn from the loss. They have options of die some more, tank their ship, be an alert all the time or just move up to some 0.7-1.0. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5838
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:26:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tippia wrote:Funny thing is, this is already the caseGǪ WRONG !!!!!A -10 Pod can fly to an Orca full of Catalysts even if he managed somehow a -12.  No, because he's dead and back in the medical bay. So it is indeed already the caseGǪ if you choose it to be so.
Also, text doesn't get any bolder just because you mash the button three times. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
135
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:32:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Posting irrelevant videos of fits that no longer work due to changes made by CCP to support your argument: win.
My point was not that you should try to copy/paste a several year old fit, it was that players can and sometimes do decide to fight back and they can win. I've seen creative players kill a megathron with an itty 5 and one killed a dramiel (pre patch) with a badger II. I feel pretty confident that if some people put as much energy into fighting back (or hell, simply surviving) as they do posting on the forums about how unfair it all is, they'd probably be doing much better.
Or, TBH, if it truly is that it's no longer possible to fit a good tank, then petitioning CCP to iterate on the hulk and look at the CPU, or powergrid, or whatever and explaining exactly why these changes are needed would still be a better use of your time.
Instead there's threads like this one. "The griefing needs to end!". Someone on the first page issued the challenge to find a damage control on just one of those Hulks... never saw an answer to it. I'm sure that, as many as there are, you might be able to find one. The point was made though, the vast majority of those fits don't even TRY to live, and then people are angry when they don't?
I'd be much more likely to feel pity for miners if I saw hulks being fit with buffer and sacrificing just one low for a damage control and still getting killed, then you might have an argument that its an inherent flaw in the design, that there's no way possible to make them survive. As it stands though, this isn't being shown. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
461
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:43:00 -
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Severe Pain wrote:Totally noobs don't have isks or skills to fly a hulk. Those "noobs" who are now flying hulks and getting killed just don't know their place in EVE universe :) It is ok to get killed once, but if you keep dying then you are too stubborn or stupid to learn from the loss. They have options of die some more, tank their ship, be an alert all the time or just move up to some 0.7-1.0.
Read the mails.
I mean READ them.
These are experienced players, some of them, and they do not AFK. I lived for a year where this is occurring in Genesis and I recognize MANY of the names.
Dude is getting the PODS.
This has NOTHING to do with Hulk Tanking and ALL about an EXPLOIT. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
461
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tippia wrote:Funny thing is, this is already the caseGǪ WRONG !!!!!A -10 Pod can fly to an Orca full of Catalysts even if he managed somehow a -12.  No, because he's dead and back in the medical bay. So it is indeed already the caseGǪ if you choose it to be so. Also, text doesn't get any bolder just because you mash the button three times.
Did somebody fart ? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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