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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
58
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Posted - 2011.09.11 02:05:00 -
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In an effort to prove how awesome their carebear rules are, Kelduum is dropping the WSOP for one month, to show all Unistas how miserable it is to run without their strict rules and regulations.
http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=47360
The Uni will drop the WSOP, but of course they won't actually teach any of their students how to effectively operate under a wardec. The effort here is to make life as miserable as possible, so that people will stop questioning their rules, their leadership, their fiefdom.
Go go training university! Don't train anyone, just prove to them your rules are super awesome!
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University
Ivy League
557
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Posted - 2011.09.11 03:47:00 -
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Oh Poetic, you really must try harder.
Quote:The Uni will drop the WSOP, but of course they won't actually teach any of their students how to effectively operate under a wardec.
. . .
Go go training university! Don't train anyone, just prove to them your rules are super awesome!
Classes will still be held - they aren't stopping, the same way they don't normally during wars. In fact there will be a specific "How not to die" class, as well as a recording.
The difference here is that we won't be enforcing our Wartime Standard Operating Procedures... or they can pick and choose which rules they want to follow.
It's gonna be FUN!
Also, working link: http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=47360
Kelduum Revaan
CEO, EVE University |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.09.11 04:01:00 -
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Poor Kelduum has a fanatical stalker.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University
Ivy League
557
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Posted - 2011.09.11 04:13:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Poor Kelduum has a fanatical stalker.
I'm just disappointed I didn't get a chance to post this first... 
Kelduum Revaan
CEO, EVE University |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
58
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Posted - 2011.09.11 04:14:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Oh Poetic, you really must try harder.
I did. Back in July. When I suggested exactly what you are currently implementing, as if it is new and unique.
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/07/experimenting-with-e-uni-wsop.html
Except, back then, each and every one of you dickheads/directors/managers slapped the idea down as being one of the stupidest things ever suggested.
Glad you eventually saw the inherent usefulness of the suggestion, even if you claim it solely as your own. :)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University
Ivy League
557
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Posted - 2011.09.11 04:19:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:Oh Poetic, you really must try harder. I did. Back in July. When I suggested exactly what you are currently implementing, as if it is new and unique.
Poetics Linked Blog Post wrote:Now, I'm not advocating the removal of the WSOP, nor complaining that it is far too restrictive. It does its job, and it does its job well.
Forgot about that part, then...?
Kelduum Revaan
CEO, EVE University |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
58
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Posted - 2011.09.11 04:26:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:Oh Poetic, you really must try harder. I did. Back in July. When I suggested exactly what you are currently implementing, as if it is new and unique. Poetics Linked Blog Post wrote:Now, I'm not advocating the removal of the WSOP, nor complaining that it is far too restrictive. It does its job, and it does its job well. But from time to time, perhaps experimenting with our WSOP is in order, if only for some additional educational value. Forgot about that part then...?
Not at all. I know the value of the WSOP where silly griefdecs are concerned. But when you have a real opponent looking for good fights, dropping the WSOP has all sorts of additional educational value.
While you've adopted my idea ... your main goal isn't exactly educational. Your hope is that as many Unistas as possible experience as many miserable losses as possible, so that they beg you for a return of the WSOP. You wish to gain control again over the student body, especially given the recent spat of complaints concerning some of the more nonsensical rules (Covert Ops restrictions), the ILN hot mess, and absentee directors/managers. (You, of course, are excluded from the absentee list ... you are actually the model of director involvement that all other directors/managers should aspire too.)
If you can prove one rule as necessary by ensuring as lopsided a result as possible, then you can use that as an example of how perfect and sound all the other rules must be. 
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
20
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Posted - 2011.09.11 06:49:00 -
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NIce idea Kelduum, i wonder will they learn something from it. Propably not but many griefers will get a lot of killls. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
13
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Posted - 2011.09.11 12:21:00 -
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Coming to a cinema near you...
Poetic Stanziel in "My obsession with E-Uni, part III" |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.09.11 12:56:00 -
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lol slapfights |
Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
Test Friends Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2011.09.11 14:27:00 -
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Bloody nora, someone is bitter!!! WHAAA WHAAAA GOT KICKED FROM UNI NOW SHTPOST ALL OVER CAOD WHAAAAA |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
59
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Posted - 2011.09.11 17:47:00 -
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For the Unistas during Hell Month:
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-to-operate-under-wardec.html
Since the Uni just wants losses and death as the lesson they want to teach, someone might as well clue the students in on operating safely during a wardec.
(If you feel I've gotten anything wrong, or missed anything important, feel free to comment.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.11 19:00:00 -
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Your wardec rules read like a how to list in the encouragement of getting people to quit this game. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
59
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Posted - 2011.09.11 19:12:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Your wardec rules read like a how to list in the encouragement of getting people to quit this game.
They aren't rules. Guidelines. People will learn best how to fly safely on their own. Some of the ideas they may implement in a different way or not at all.
I don't think even you run around blindly while being hunted.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
61
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Posted - 2011.09.12 05:52:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:I'm just disappointed I didn't get a chance to post this first... 
Why? My posts are spicier.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.12 08:03:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Poor Kelduum has a fanatical stalker.
Yeah at this point Poetic is just creepy.
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Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
Imperial Ascension
0
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Posted - 2011.09.12 18:46:00 -
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Totally support this thread. Why? It's not about the depressing state of 0.0 epeens. lets keep it coming. |
DARK R3APER
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.09.12 19:54:00 -
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Are these the same guys that thought they stood a chance in hell against test? Brought out a 70-100 man fleet and got pwned so badly? Only popping 3 ships in their process..
Gogo super noobs. |
Remric
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
0
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:04:00 -
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http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/08/to-future.html
Might be best to start working toward another goal. Glad you revealed yourself early. I'd been feeling positive about your eventual application. We dodged a bullet here. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
63
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Posted - 2011.09.13 04:12:00 -
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Remric wrote:http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/08/to-future.html
Might be best to start working toward another goal. Glad you revealed yourself early. I'd been feeling positive about your eventual application. We dodged a bullet here.
Shrug.
It is a big wide game.
Plus, if I need some freedom from Poetic's rep ... (which is only terrible with the Uni nuthuggers) ... that is what the character bazaar is for.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
22
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Posted - 2011.09.13 08:05:00 -
[21] - Quote
DARK R3APER wrote:Are these the same guys that thought they stood a chance in hell against test? Brought out a 70-100 man fleet and got pwned so badly? Only popping 3 ships in their process..
Gogo super noobs.
EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! PvP giants TEST alliance massacre week-old players in T1-fit frigates!
PL must be literally shitting themselves right now
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Remric wrote:http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/08/to-future.html
Might be best to start working toward another goal. Glad you revealed yourself early. I'd been feeling positive about your eventual application. We dodged a bullet here. Shrug. It is a big wide game. Plus, if I need some freedom from Poetic's rep ... (which is only terrible with the Uni nuthuggers) ... that is what the character bazaar is for.
Come and join us Poetic, I can absolutely promise you that the one thing we won't do is get you to move everything you own into the wormhole, then steal your stuff, kick you from corp while you're AFK, and let the POS guns pod you into next week. No sir, that's definitely not what would happen. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.09.13 08:43:00 -
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DARK R3APER wrote:Are these the same guys that thought they stood a chance in hell against test? Brought out a 70-100 man fleet and got pwned so badly? Only popping 3 ships in their process..
Gogo super noobs.
http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=244806
are we talking about this? It was more of a Ponywaffe vs IVY event than a TEST vs IVY event.
I see plenty of BCs and some BSes in there, definitely not all hero rifters.
It was a mix of a semi-arranged fight and a bit of a class for the uni after (we spent a few hours on uni comms after doing a Q&A)
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Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
82
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Posted - 2011.09.13 09:43:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:In an effort to prove how awesome their carebear rules are, Kelduum is dropping the WSOP for one month, to show all Unistas how miserable it is to run without their strict rules and regulations. http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=47360The Uni will drop the WSOP, but of course they won't actually teach any of their students how to effectively operate under a wardec. The effort here is to make life as miserable as possible, so that people will stop questioning their rules, their leadership, their fiefdom. Go go training university! Don't train anyone, just prove to them your rules are super awesome!
Oh look! Kelduum Revaan has more likes than you in this thread.
You must be dumb. |
SunburnedFrog
Capital Systems INC
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
6
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Posted - 2011.09.13 09:54:00 -
[24] - Quote
<------ best toast in dumb bread
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
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Posted - 2011.09.14 04:06:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Oh look! Kelduum Revaan has more likes than you in this thread.
You must be dumb. He has at least 1200 people hanging off his nut. I used to be one of them.
With great power comes great big nuts. (You can read that in a variety of different ways.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.09.14 04:09:00 -
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has anyone heard from snot shot? :ohdear: |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.09.14 06:35:00 -
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This forum needs a downvote button lol. |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
82
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Posted - 2011.09.14 06:44:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:This forum needs a downvote button lol.
Go back to forum.pleaseignore.com and use it then. |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.09.14 06:55:00 -
[29] - Quote
Andski wrote:has anyone heard from snot shot? :ohdear:
He's back on the old forums trying desperately to figure out why he can't post mean things about TestGoonDot.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.09.14 08:31:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:This forum needs a downvote button lol.
that's called -rep by us civilized human beings that don't post in savage boards like reddit |
SunburnedFrog
Capital Systems INC
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
6
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Posted - 2011.09.14 09:28:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:This forum needs a downvote button lol.
DUMBCAT is that yhoo |
Spectre80
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.09.14 14:18:00 -
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to the op: are you angry? |
DARK R3APER
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2011.09.14 20:20:00 -
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Spectre80 wrote:to the op: are you angry?
hemadbro |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.09.14 22:20:00 -
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Andski wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:This forum needs a downvote button lol. that's called -rep by us civilized human beings that don't post in savage boards like reddit
Who said I ever posted on reddit lol, not everyone in TEST posts there. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.09.14 22:21:00 -
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SunburnedFrog wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:This forum needs a downvote button lol. DUMBCAT is that yhoo
Nope, no idea who that is either.
Though I still think CAOD at least needs a downvote/neg rep/dislike button for all the ship toasting lol. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
0
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Posted - 2011.09.16 18:00:00 -
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Remric wrote:http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/08/to-future.html
Might be best to start working toward another goal. Glad you revealed yourself early. I'd been feeling positive about your eventual application. We dodged a bullet here.
Good call.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online:
No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
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Posted - 2011.09.16 20:04:00 -
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It's so sweet when all the Unistas (ex or otherwise) can huddle and bah together.
Lots of options and offers in this game, if my inbox is any indication.
The Uni's impact on this game is player retention. It doesn't go much beyond that. (There are a few ex-Unistas who've made famous impacts on the game beyond highsec, but not many. The Uni does teach that there's safety in obscurity. This particular no-SOP stunt goes against that grain, but when the directors have proven their point and the students have stopped questioning them, it's back to flying under the radar.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Calistai Huranu
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.18 13:31:00 -
[38] - Quote
2011.09.17 20:43
Ivy League has declared war on RvB - RED Federation. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Roll on this evening!  |
ABrownie
Blue Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.09.18 19:51:00 -
[39] - Quote
Eve Uni is kicking ass so far:) all those fancy ships on their undock just melted. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
265
|
Posted - 2011.09.19 03:33:00 -
[40] - Quote
Oh!
I hope I'm not too late to pile onto this terrible thread. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
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Posted - 2011.09.19 05:08:00 -
[41] - Quote
My favourite kill of the night:
http://killboard.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6641
Just love the whine.
I betcha this guy wasn't quite the baby over his (larger) loss:
http://killboard.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6596
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2011.09.19 05:36:00 -
[42] - Quote
Links don't work for me. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
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Posted - 2011.09.19 05:48:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Links don't work for me.
Not sure why not. I realize the Uni likes to distance themselves from the rest of the game as much as possible (and ironically, that is what this month's stunt is ultimately about), thus the reason for their own private killboard ... but the links should be available to everybody who knows that the Uni killboard even exists.
EDIT: Hmm. The forums here are not translating the AMPERSAND in the complete URL properly.
EDIT: Redid the links. Used goo.gl as a URL shortener.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2011.09.19 06:04:00 -
[44] - Quote
Link work for me now, thank you for fixing them. What am I looking at? It looks like two Tengu. Not that big a deal. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
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Posted - 2011.09.19 06:47:00 -
[45] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:Link work for me now, thank you for fixing them. What am I looking at? It looks like two Tengu. Not that big a deal.
The kills aren't interesting. I just like the bitching in the comments from the first guy (Yulan Kai). (If you knew anything about him from the Uni Mumble server, it would be a lot more hilarious. Him bitching about his ship loss, PL unfairly hot-dropping him, all the while his little mewling wolf children in the background.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
399
|
Posted - 2011.09.19 06:58:00 -
[46] - Quote
oh ok |
Planetary Genocide
White Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
4
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Posted - 2011.09.19 08:10:00 -
[47] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Link work for me now, thank you for fixing them. What am I looking at? It looks like two Tengu. Not that big a deal. The kills aren't interesting. I just like the bitching in the comments from the first guy (Yulan Kai). (If you knew anything about him from the Uni Mumble server, it would be a lot more hilarious. Him bitching about his ship loss, PL unfairly hot-dropping him, all the while his little mewling wolf children in the background.)
It's funny because I"m pretty sure you're the only person who cares. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2011.09.19 10:31:00 -
[48] - Quote
So far it seems to have worked out pretty good for the uni. RVB, SSC and Skunk Works seem to have brought gudfites instead of docking game, neut RR lameness, these are the kind of wars the uni actually likes (because they get to actually fight instead of playing docking games with 1 guy and his neut RR alts) |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
99
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Posted - 2011.09.19 11:05:00 -
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Planetary Genocide wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Link work for me now, thank you for fixing them. What am I looking at? It looks like two Tengu. Not that big a deal. The kills aren't interesting. I just like the bitching in the comments from the first guy (Yulan Kai). (If you knew anything about him from the Uni Mumble server, it would be a lot more hilarious. Him bitching about his ship loss, PL unfairly hot-dropping him, all the while his little mewling wolf children in the background.) It's funny because I"m pretty sure you're the only person who cares.
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Calistai Huranu
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.09.19 11:38:00 -
[50] - Quote
As said above, fun start with Shen canflipping a euni guy 2 hours before the war went live, for a first kill. RvB had formed up some time earlier in the day moving resources and scouting out Euni's home turf, the vast majority of rvb were just a little excited about being decc'd by the uni, so the fleet started forming SEVEN hour's before the kick off.
Around 1900hr's Eve time the Purple fleet rolled out from the alikara gate in Vellaine with just under 100 pilot's. Taking the fast track to Hek, Rancer was quiet as we rolled on by.
On hitting Hek we picked up a few more straggler's and set about spamming local with Justin Bieber while sorting out clones and extra frigates. Dear gods, Hek is a terrible market hub, much akin to those shopping villages where instead of being cheaper they are in fact that little bit more expensive.
The War goes live and our little fleet move's out, destination: Aldrat, threats of us murdering our own by now has the fleet working like a kind of well oiled machine.
Intel inform's us of the Euni also having a similar size fleet, and they've warped to the out gate from there pos at optimals, with this not being a Ganked fleet (Rifter hull's this weekend coming btw), we choose not to jump in blindly to glorious death, and go to optimals the other side, two can play this game. After some shenanigan's on rvb's part they buggar off and we jump in, and get off gate, They's at the Pos, and we're not up for assaulting a deathstar.
Cue the brave Gibson Thunderbird in his Raven for Euni being baited by one of our lads on the undock of Euni hq
RvB Purple fleet lands around twenty seconds before Euni fleet does, all at ZERO.. 
http://redfed.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10667469
Good fight's thrown out in local, and I for once escaped in structure as Euni warped out from the brawl. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
399
|
Posted - 2011.09.19 14:05:00 -
[51] - Quote
Planetary Genocide wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Link work for me now, thank you for fixing them. What am I looking at? It looks like two Tengu. Not that big a deal. The kills aren't interesting. I just like the bitching in the comments from the first guy (Yulan Kai). (If you knew anything about him from the Uni Mumble server, it would be a lot more hilarious. Him bitching about his ship loss, PL unfairly hot-dropping him, all the while his little mewling wolf children in the background.) It's funny because I"m pretty sure you're the only person who cares.
Hey man let me give you a tip real quick (just the tip I swear):
Your name makes you a potential posting superstar so you need to get out there and post some posts. I mean, you've got a name so edgy that it could leave your lame ass in the dust and go write lyrics for Green Day. Just one day out of the blue, you could wake up to find bad poetry written on your walls in Manic Panic hair dyeGÇöthat's how edgy your name is. While you've got control of it, you need to abuse the living hell out of it because one day it's going to wise up and then you're just going to be a greasy stain on the side of a bag of Cheetohs. Are you listening to me? Don't doubt a Goon who's telling you about Cheetohs, we are all over that and got it on lock.
Secondly and more pertinent to the post, I just wanted to let you know that I gave you a +rep +1 +Like whatever you want to call it. What I am trying to say is that I liked your spacebook post here on the forums DOT eveonline DOT com, and I want you to keep posting; but, I think you could use some pointers. See, you went out and flat-out said in one post what I was implying through several posts. I mean yeah you're way more clever than the average brain-dead idiot lurking in this forum (no sarcasm), and that's good for you; but, the best way to feel smug about everything you do and say is to be slightly above your audience so that they don't know whether you just killed that bird in the cage or shoved it up your ass at the last second. This is just me trying to be helpful, feel free to completely ignore this advice and take the low road towards instant laughs but if you ever want to graduate to ice burns of masterstroke quality then sooner or later you need to go into Icecrown Citadel and recover all of the shards of Shadowmourne. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
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Posted - 2011.09.19 16:34:00 -
[52] - Quote
The Uni is admirably holding its own.
http://killboard.eveuniversity.org/
I think they can still manage getting a 50% efficiency rating out of this whole stunt.
And I'd bet the Unistas that stayed for the wars are having far more fun than they've ever had in the University. Kelduum should consider dropping the WSOP more often (and advertising it.) If he was hoping to convince that boring people to death was the right move during wardecs, I can't see how these last two days have been making the case for him.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
|
Posted - 2011.09.19 16:37:00 -
[53] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:So far it seems to have worked out pretty good for the uni. Agreed. Good for the students and those people that don't like having their ship/module choices tied down by contradictory rulesets.
I'm not so sure this is the lesson the directors were hoping to teach -- that wars are to be made as dull and boring as possible, so that we don't get any. So, far it sounds like the students (minus Yulan Kai) have been having the most fun they've had in months (maybe a couple years for some.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Marzipankrieger
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.09.19 18:14:00 -
[54] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm not so sure this is the lesson the directors were hoping to teach -- that wars are to be made as dull and boring as possible, so that we don't get any. So, far it sounds like the students (minus Yulan Kai) have been having the most fun they've had in months (maybe a couple years for some.)
Oh my god, dude. Seriously, get a life! |
Skex Relbore
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
41
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Posted - 2011.09.19 19:36:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:So far it seems to have worked out pretty good for the uni. Agreed. Good for the students and those people that don't like having their ship/module choices tied down by contradictory rulesets. I'm not so sure this is the lesson the directors were hoping to teach -- that wars are to be made as dull and boring as possible, so that we don't get any. So, far it sounds like the students (minus Yulan Kai) have been having the most fun they've had in months (maybe a couple years for some.)
Butt-hurt much?
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University
Ivy League
625
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Posted - 2011.09.19 20:47:00 -
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Eleven wardecs and counting, and more PvP in the last 24 hours than in the last 6 months of wardecs.
Barring a single silly loss (really, a faction fit pirate ship, undocking into a camp by The Orphanage?) we'd be positive on ISK efficiency, and the members are all finally getting some decent PvP practice, and with wardecs from some Alumni corps, the members are also learning why opsec is important.
Also, Sansha Kuvakei seems to be trying to get involved too, and has decided to try and stage an incursion here, making things even more interesting.
Kelduum Revaan
CEO, EVE University |
Deen Wispa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.09.19 20:56:00 -
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Lunas Whisper wrote:Totally support this thread. Why? It's not about the depressing state of 0.0 epeens. lets keep it coming.
yeah. more non 0.0 epeening stories please. |
Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
Test Friends Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2011.09.19 21:17:00 -
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Confirming isk efficiency is all that matters.
I always keep up on the uni's killboard activity and it's nice to see some actual fighting going on rather, than as has been said, the usual docking games. All of those on the wardec list seem to be bringing in fleets for fights and everyone is enjoying themselves. There also does not seem to be many "silly" losses either, far less than nullsec alliances normally have from their empire griefdecs. I think this would be an encouraging factor in deciding to rethink the WSOP, however, I imagine if this did happen then people would become complacent and that the uni's success this week could be put down mainly to lots of hype and also something new to do.
Anyway, grats to the uni for having fun and grats to the wardecced/wardeccing corps for actually bringing good fights. Good to see a thread intended to be an insult become a thread depicting the uni in a good light. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
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Posted - 2011.09.19 21:33:00 -
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I'm not anti-University. Never have been. Never will be.
I'm anti-hypocrisy and anti-contradiction in their rulesets (Covert Ops Certification, for one.) I understand the need for their WSOP under certain circumstances. I also understand why the WSOP should be dropped from time to time. I mentioned this directly to Kelduum a couple months back. I then wrote about it publicly -- to drop the WSOP during non-faildecs, to teach proper PvP and to teach how to operate under a wardec.. University management, in all their "wisdom", rejected the idea, until now.
My butt-hurt comes from the fact that I was kicked from the Uni for basically talking about the problems with the Uni rules in a public forum. Apparently that sort of thing threatens the directorship hierarchy. Whatever though. I always feel it is best to get ideas out into the open, not let them be buried under bureaucracy and politics (of which the University has in bucket loads.) (I was kicked before the University as an NPC Corp posts, that bit of trollishness and vindictiveness came afterwards.)
I think the University will be hard-pressed, after this month is up, to return to the same old boring formula of WSOP for every wardec (relaxed WSOP for faildecs.) People are having too much fun.
Kudos to the amazing time everyone is now having with all the fleet battles in and around Aldrat. Hopefully this leads to some really meaningful changes in how the University applies their WSOP in the future.
(I think I may pop by Aldrat in a newb ship and a clean clone, flit around some of the fleet battles, see who, in a fit of rawr rage will pop me for the CONCORDOKKEN, the security status loss, and the free month long kill rights. I'm sure some dumbass will want to look the hero for the penalties. *grin*)
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Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
Test Friends Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2011.09.19 22:34:00 -
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Well judging by this thread and the various other threads/comments you certainly come across not only as butthurt and mad but also obsessive.
First of all E-Uni is a corporation owned and ran by player(s). It's up to them what their policies are and how to run their corp. It isn't a CCP establishment, or some other kind of 'owned by the system' thing. The CEO, directors and many managers and officers of E-Uni put a lot of their time and effort into the running of it. I'm the CEO of a small 100man+ corp and let me tell you something, just on this 100man corp there is a hell of a lot of organizing, drama, etc etc, I can't imagine how much of a headache it must be trying to run a 1500+ man corp. Regardless of what you think or say about them, or what the other idiotic lowsec pirate nubbins say, E-Uni does a good job of helping new pilots get to grips with many of the different areas of EVE and they produce competent pilots who then go on to nullsec or W-Space, or even lowsec, and they are generally a much better quality of new player.
Before I am accused of being a Kelduum suck up let me explain that I left the uni because I disagreed with certain directors and certain decisions that had been made, or were being made, at the time. At that point I had gotten as much out of the uni as possible and instead of becoming a drama llama I simply moved on. It wasn't my place to criticise the policies that governed me; it wasn't my corp, I wasn't even a director and I hadn't put in an extensive amount of time into the running of the corp to be in a position where I could dictate said policies. I was grateful for the time spent by the many people who brought me up, so to speak, and gave me invaluable help, advice, free ships, free skillbooks, etc etc, and so I bowed out of the corp with the greatest of respect and moved on.
You on the other hand... well, who are you? Admittedly I have been out of the uni now for several months but I always check their forums and I am in constant contact with both current and ex unistas, and none of them have ever mentioned you to me. My corp recruits a lot of unistas also, in fact many of my managers are ex unistas, and none of them know who you are either. Was you in any sort of position within the uni? Or was you, as I suspect, a member who gave little back except opinions and headaches? Who are you to decide how another persons corp should be ran? And before you say "but all opinions matter", they do, but yours are big wall-of-text sperg specials - and you also don't seem to like it when people disagree with your opinions.
As for your treatment in the uni, I cannot comment. The way you put it, "kicked for expressing an opinion", does sound harsh however I suspect there is a lot more to it than this. Judging from this forum thread and other threads/posts by yourself I imagine you gave the uni management a lot of trouble and deserved your expulsion.
I'll finish with this; the EVE universe is a big place. There's a lot more to this game than the politics of a high-sec corporation. I suggest you look about and plan your future career, decide whether you want to stay in high-sec, check out lowsec, move into a wormhole or get involved in nullsec shenanigans. I would personally recommend nullsec; since I moved out here I never looked back. Whatever you do however I suggest you lose your boner for the uni, quit with these kinds of posts which do nothing but put off potential employers, and move on. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
66
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Posted - 2011.09.20 00:50:00 -
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Lovelocke wrote: I left the uni because I disagreed with certain directors and certain decisions that had been made, or were being made, at the time. At that point I had gotten as much out of the uni as possible and instead of becoming a drama llama I simply moved on. It wasn't my place to criticise the policies that governed me; it wasn't my corp, I wasn't even a director and I hadn't put in an extensive amount of time into the running of the corp to be in a position where I could dictate said policies. Fair point. I enjoyed my time in the Uni. And got a lot out of it.
Quote:As for your treatment in the uni, I cannot comment. The way you put it, "kicked for expressing an opinion", does sound harsh however I suspect there is a lot more to it than this. Judging from this forum thread and other threads/posts by yourself I imagine you gave the uni management a lot of trouble and deserved your expulsion. Pretty much just expressing an opinion, and calling on certain no-show directors to be replaced by people who were working much harder and diligently further down the ladder. You can see similar statements made by other more prominent Unistas, such as Ninevite, after my expulsion.
I spent my time helping people in an unofficial capacity. Being a rah-rah cheerleader for the Uni with positive spotlights on various members. As well, as writing about problems I saw and needed addressing.
No director will ever admit it ... but if the WSOP changes after this month, to something more flexible, then I'll know I had a hand in that. I know this WSOP-free month would have never had happened if I hadn't raised my concerns publicly. If I'd raised them privately with the directors (as they prefer), it would have simply been ignored and the University today would be as the University two months ago.
Quote:I'll finish with this; the EVE universe is a big place. There's a lot more to this game than the politics of a high-sec corporation. I suggest you look about and plan your future career, decide whether you want to stay in high-sec, check out lowsec, move into a wormhole or get involved in nullsec shenanigans. I would personally recommend nullsec; since I moved out here I never looked back. Whatever you do however I suggest you lose your boner for the uni, quit with these kinds of posts which do nothing but put off potential employers, and move on. I am slowly doing that. But still, good words of wisdom.
As an aside: looks like one of the admirals needs to take the scouting certification -- http://killboard.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6920
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
9
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:23:00 -
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This is like that thing, where you break up with your girlfriend and she logs in her friend's facebook account to keep tabs.
Or a trainwreck.
Never stop posting (?)
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sukmanobov
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 02:20:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Oh Poetic, you really must try harder. Quote:The Uni will drop the WSOP, but of course they won't actually teach any of their students how to effectively operate under a wardec.
. . .
Go go training university! Don't train anyone, just prove to them your rules are super awesome! Classes will still be held - they aren't stopping, the same way they don't normally during wars. In fact there will be a specific "How not to die" class, as well as a recording. The difference here is that we won't be enforcing our Wartime Standard Operating Procedures... or they can pick and choose which rules they want to follow. It's gonna be FUN! Also, working link: http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=47360
You bastards i wanted on that pos KM 
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
68
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:37:00 -
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Some other perspectives on EVE University during the NO SOP MONTH:
Why EVE University Should Change Its Name
Regarding My Thoughts On EVE University
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Borlag Crendraven
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:02:00 -
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No comments on the RvB issue...
As for the no small gang roams, you of all people should know this isn't true Poetic. Anyone at anytime can form up fleets for roams, and not a single day goes by without such roams. During this no-WSOP month not a single day goes by that our "lone rangers" aren't out there grabbing solo kils. All of this is more than just possible to do in the uni, it happens all the time.
What these blog posts, and many others like it, seem to forget is that the uni is there pretty much only as much as you want it to be. If you want to learn something, chances are there's a class about it, if not and there's not enough support to have one. There's bound to be someone who can explain it to you through and through. It is up to yourself to decide what to do with that knowledge and if you just decide to follow the blob fleets and stick around in the Eygfe gate on Aldrat side for hours... Well that's your choice. There's plenty of fleets that go way beyond the 10 jump range, some to low sec, some to null, some to wherever you want them to go.
And the uni does teach about null specific things as well from blobs to caps, from sov to wormholes. Again it is up to the people in the uni to partisipate in them, learn from them, and put that knowledge into use. It's not a 9-5 work where all you do is study in a strict schedule. It's quite simply as much as you make of it. Once you grow out of the limits that the uni puts on you (that aren't really that much to be honest), you move on. Nothing more to it. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
68
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:42:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:No comments on the RvB issue...
Why? Oh. Because Silentbrick forbade it? That was a nice post though. Would like to hear your thoughts on RvB. More Unistas should express an opinion outside of the "company line."
RvB Reveals EVE Uni's True Colour
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Borlag Crendraven
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 20:10:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Why? Oh. Because Silentbrick forbade it? That was a nice post though. Would like to hear your thoughts on RvB. More Unistas should express an opinion outside of the "company line." RvB Reveals EVE Uni's True Colour
Not my place to question orders from higher up. On top of that I don't even have enough information about the whole situation to begin with, not knowing what happened behind curtains and such. So even if allowed, all I could comment on was how the situation looked to me, hardly a neutral view of the things.
Without any personal feelings/comments about the situation, all I saw was this.
Our fleet of 100+ was ready and willing to take on a WT fleet of similar size. Despite waiting for hours the fight never happened. We got called elsewhere, went there to do our job and came back. As soon as we left, the POS bash started, and along with it a lot of unprintable smack talk in local as well as the open uni chat channels (eyes via alt, obviously). RvB claims we bailed out on a fight, to us it looked the opposite. In the end if I had to look at it from a neutral point of view, I suppose both parties are to blame, at least partially, but like said, as I don't have the background information all I can do is guess.
The only personal opinion I'm willing to give is that the long wait was indeed frustrating, I'd imagine it was the same for the opposing side. |
Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
Test Friends Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2011.09.25 21:55:00 -
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So the uni are doing well in the war and enjoying themselves so a new angle has to be found to continue the criticism? Well done. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
70
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:32:00 -
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Lovelocke wrote:So the uni are doing well in the war and enjoying themselves ...
The Uni does this to themselves. They were enjoying themselves up until their POS was brilliantly attacked while they were away from homebase.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:36:00 -
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Having passion about something is commendable especially if it's rooted in a movement that could help the game in general.. but passion over flaming a past association eventually becomes unhealthy. Unfortunately the stalker comment, while funny, wasn't far off. Maybe it's time to move on for the sake of your virtual life.
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sukmanobov
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:37:00 -
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http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/09/eve-universitys-no-sop-month-rvb-tears.html
what the op failed to mention. The only any of us including devils (Deccing UNI), RvB (decced by UNI), Adopt (decced by UNI), -END- (Deccing UNI) and the other two alliances which were decced by uni (i think so don't quote me on that) is that solo i doubt any of us could have taken that thing down is it wasn't quite what you would call a death it was more a hardener fast and would take way to long for our alliances to do it solo.
So to correct the post on the RvB subject they did not attack the POS them selves but rather as a coalition and most of there fleet pissed of and left early leaving 36man coalition fro ADOPT and DEVILS with a smartering of the other alliances to finish the job.
And on that same subject there was over 100 Eve Uni and toward the end on 5 of them had the balls to warp in at 50km and try and snipe a energy transfer alt.
Quote:The University wardecs RvB, then sits around the Aldrat area in heavy gate defense
what and you think it wasn't the same for us? how many of our members sit in aldrat ganking Goons, xDeath, MM, Starbridge?
the answer is none so we had to go to them as well.
EDIT:
Yes they retracted on us also to save there POS when it came out of defence. this is not RvB bash ether as an alliance director i thank them for coming as well as Devils, END and everyone else the shown there shiny hingy  |
Flistir
Red Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.29 01:06:00 -
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So I see I've been quoted on someone's blog, under the headline of RvB tears, yet said someone left out the little part of the post saying how it's all intended as humour.
Ah well, context is magic. I don't suppose you work for a tabloid in real life?
More on topic, gf IVY, when can we expect a round two? I must say I've been rather disappointed going back to regular RvB operations after the big fights we had. More of that please. :) |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
72
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:18:00 -
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CCP about to make it more difficult/expensive for corps to wardec EVE University? Perplexing comment made by an EVE Uni old-timer. Perhaps something he heard in Mumble from a director or Kelduum. Or perhaps something innocent. You decide.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19148&find=unread
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