So this whole flamewar over MittaniGate can go one of two ways.

Either the causehoars will cry so loudly that CCP and Sony's relationship may be damaged, EVE will suffer, and DUST will be a flop; OR, we use the upswing of anti-Goon fervor to generate legitimate and engaging In-Game RP, create an awesome PR moment for CCP, and show DUST players why EVE is the champion of bad***ery and emergent gameplay.

In the spirit of "EVE is Real," I say we take the hate into space, and take the fight from the forums to the Goons themselves. So what if they have the single largest armada in EVE, that just makes the achievement all the more worth it. Britain had the world's greatest army and navy, and yet a ragtag bunch of colonists kicked the tea and crumpets outta 'em. Maybe New Eden could take a few lessons from that.

So join me. Join the Anti-Swarm. From many, one; one goal, many approaches. Let the fight begin!

[Also, screw off all y'all RP haters, especially you goonie RP haters, this is the best reason for FW I've ever seen in a game]

So this whole flamewar over MittaniGate can go one of two ways.

Sorry there were real life implications to what happened.

That's where you're wrong.

It isn't a flame war. Mitt clearly violated the terms he agreed to when becoming a member of the CSM. Maybe he should have taken such incidentals more seriously. Maybe he applies to real life the same wanton disregard he applies to this game. Whichever the case, he agreed. He violated said agreement.

It is now a matter of CCP enforcing the terms of this agreement, as they do to us with the EULA and TOS.

It isn't clear, regardless of CCP's cosmetic move to "investigate" the matter, whether CCP is safe from civil or even criminal liability. To keep Mitt is to sanction Mitt. I doubt CCP's legal beagles think he's that important to the bottom line. (They could be the only people considering this that aren't certifiably delusional!)

These posts, rapt with the idea some show of hands by EVE players has any standing in this situation just prove how out of touch the wizards of New Eden are with the world they actually live in.

Which is where? In the two potential paths? Or that this is a flamewar between pubbies and Goons?

Sorry there were real life implications to what happened.

This is not something to be brushed of as a GAME thing.

It isn't a flame war. Mitt clearly violated the terms he agreed to when becoming a member of the CSM. Maybe he should have taken such incidentals more seriously. Maybe he applies to real life the same wanton disregard he applies to this game. Whichever the case, he agreed. He violated said agreement.

It is now a matter of CCP enforcing the terms of this agreement, as they do to us with the EULA and TOS.

It isn't clear, regardless of CCP's cosmetic move to "investigate" the matter, whether CCP is safe from civil or even criminal liability. To keep Mitt is to sanction Mitt. I doubt CCP's legal beagles think he's that important to the bottom line. (They could be the only people considering this that aren't certifiably delusional!)

These posts, rapt with the idea some show of hands by EVE players has any standing in this situation just prove how out of touch the wizards of New Eden are with the world they actually live in.

I am willing to provide insider info and intel on Goons for the paltry sum of 20m per piece of intelligence.

Only problem with THIS offer is, there has to be some intelligence to provide.

The idea that this can only go two ways.

Sorry there were real life implications to what happened.

This is not something to be brushed of as a GAME thing.

I am willing to provide insider info and intel on Goons for the paltry sum of 20m per piece of intelligence.

"Players across EVE rise up to defeat the evil Goonswarm Empire"

Funny that people are still going on with this instead of sperging about the player that actually hurt himself, because he was scammed ingame.

https://twitter.com/#!/Adelboy

Write that dude something nice instead of posting pointless **** in here.

I am with you OP, but to form this fleet we will need some supercaps.
Luckily, I have heard of a third party ship dealer known as The Mitanni who will surely give a fair offer.

You Goons DO love playing EVE, don't you?

We really don't.

Why is it so hard to see the potential good the PR campaign on this could be? "Players across EVE rise up to defeat the evil Goonswarm Empire"...Makes "EVE is Real" seem like a kiddie pool.

EDIT: Also, I agree that there are WAYYYYYYYYYYY too many ways this could go badly. Why not embrace one way that might go right?

Also, I love how much people love to hate Goons, and Goons love to hate pubbies and lord their elite status as PVP nullsec gods every chance they get; but when it comes to turning a PR disaster into a potential PR goldmine, while at the same time giving a legitimate reason for awesome, widescale factional warfare...all I hear are excuses, lame attempts at misdirection, and so much bittervet.

EVE is better than that. We don't need a large scale alliance, we just need the Anti-Swarm. Simple objective: cause damage to the Goonswarm whenever possible. You can do it solo, you can do it in a 1000 man PL fleet. Either way, lets grief the griefers. I mean, why not? Is real (at least as real as virtual gameplay is concerned) war not as fun as static fictional warfare?

Sorry, the pubbies already killed GoonSwarm

Classy tactic, diverting the thread into a pointless discussion (Who wouldn't say Roadhouse rules?). Your avoidance of the OP proves your fear. Man up, Goonswarm. Being top dog means your first to fall.

Classy tactic, diverting the thread into a pointless discussion (Who wouldn't say Roadhouse rules?). Your avoidance of the OP proves your fear. Man up, Goonswarm. Being top dog means your first to fall.

I'd hardly call Roadhouse pointless.

I've never seen it, but after reading the Wikipedia plot I can only say its a masterpiece.

[Why is turning a forum war between Goons and pubbies into a real EVE war a bad thing? I thought we all liked playing that internet spaceships game...

Do I detect the Goons are a bit peeved?

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Taking it to an ingame war means giving your approval to the Goon idea that their kind of forum / fanfest / etc behaviour is a valid way of "playing the game". By doing so you validate the idea, that bullying, coaxing for tears, pointing and laughing when someone is upset, and public humiliation of them on Fanfest are on the same level of "the game" as is making spaceships explode.

Whether doing so is a bad thing can be a matter of debate. Personally I would be hesitant. I value sportsmanship about pixelated explosions; however I do not value bullying those who are unable to show it when they lose. I would rather not reward the bullies by deliberately, out of my own initiative, giving them fun explosions. But whatever you think about it, before making any decisions you should realize that playing their game means accepting it as valid.

Think what James Dalton (Patrick Swayze) would do

Not seen that film since 1989 or 1990 all I remember is a guy with a motorcycle, black leather jacket and a pool cue oh and something to do with a bar. But Patrick Swayze was just following a script so no idea what Patrick Swayze would actually do.

The idea that this can only go two ways.

[quote=Andski]So what happened to Everyone's favorite Bob stalker, and Mittens mouthpiece(Alt?) Ladie Harlot?

Seems like her non stop diatribe died about the time Mitten decided to apologize? And I can't remember the last time that happened.....

Either the causehoars will cry so loudly that CCP and Sony's relationship may be damaged, EVE will suffer, and DUST will be a flop; OR, we use the upswing of anti-Goon fervor to generate legitimate and engaging In-Game RP, create an awesome PR moment for CCP, and show DUST players why EVE is the champion of bad***ery and emergent gameplay.

People who want to support Mittens in this should have stopped when he apologized, to make his apology more believable. Maybe some of them actually get that?

No, there weren't. As someone who has battled with depression and suicide, what was said is not acceptable coming from a political position of power; however, the player in question did not actually take his life (thank whatever deity you believe in, life is precious no matter what). Thus, we are left with a potential PR disaster. Why not use it for the good of the game? Who loses but Goonswarm? (Even then, that's debatable. Goons need us pubbies to grief.)

People who want to support Mittens in this should have stopped when he apologized, to make his apology more believable. Maybe some of them actually get that?

Hmm, I do see your point. In that case, think to yourself what would good old Jack Burton say at a time like this?

It can go a third way...

People will stop being butthurt about video game things, find something else (in the same video game) to be butthurt about and it will be business as usual.

Never gonna happen. To much bitterness in the anti-goon squad.

After all, Mittens nerfed their titans, ganked their Mackinaws, and scammed them out of everything they had!

[quote=Florestan Bronstein
people apologize all the time, nobody believes they are serious about it but yet the apologies work. it's a ritual.

Which is where? In the two potential paths? Or that this is a flamewar between pubbies and Goons?

So this whole flamewar over MittaniGate can go one of two ways.

Either the causehoars will cry so loudly that CCP and Sony's relationship may be damaged, EVE will suffer, and DUST will be a flop; OR, we use the upswing of anti-Goon fervor to generate legitimate and engaging In-Game RP, create an awesome PR moment for CCP, and show DUST players why EVE is the champion of bad***ery and emergent gameplay.

In the spirit of "EVE is Real," I say we take the hate into space, and take the fight from the forums to the Goons themselves. So what if they have the single largest armada in EVE, that just makes the achievement all the more worth it. Britain had the world's greatest army and navy, and yet a ragtag bunch of colonists kicked the tea and crumpets outta 'em. Maybe New Eden could take a few lessons from that.

So join me. Join the Anti-Swarm. From many, one; one goal, many approaches. Let the fight begin!

[Also, screw off all y'all RP haters, especially you goonie RP haters, this is the best reason for FW I've ever seen in a game]

Do you have a copy of that agreement or are you just making **** up?

the hell do you expect him to do, cry on youtube?

So this whole flamewar over MittaniGate can go one of two ways.

Either the causehoars will cry so loudly that CCP and Sony's relationship may be damaged, EVE will suffer, and DUST will be a flop; OR, we use the upswing of anti-Goon fervor to generate legitimate and engaging In-Game RP, create an awesome PR moment for CCP, and show DUST players why EVE is the champion of bad***ery and emergent gameplay.

In the spirit of "EVE is Real," I say we take the hate into space, and take the fight from the forums to the Goons themselves. So what if they have the single largest armada in EVE, that just makes the achievement all the more worth it. Britain had the world's greatest army and navy, and yet a ragtag bunch of colonists kicked the tea and crumpets outta 'em. Maybe New Eden could take a few lessons from that.

So join me. Join the Anti-Swarm. From many, one; one goal, many approaches. Let the fight begin!

[Also, screw off all y'all RP haters, especially you goonie RP haters, this is the best reason for FW I've ever seen in a game]

It's called the law.

People who want to support Mittens in this should have stopped when he apologized, to make his apology more believable. Maybe some of them actually get that?

you seem to be getting pretty worked up

you should probably take a break from the game and take a mental health day

They wouldn't be highsec carebears if they had the mental capacity to do something other then mine and whine

I dont consider myself a carebear but some of us are capable of considering other options:

"Fanfest Charity Dinner 2013", of which you are fully aware of due to your attempts to try and convert the proposed idea into a political vehicle for your own purposes.

And that would achieve what exactly?

The apology is out of character and what he was posting before the apology tends to back that up. He weakened his apology even before he made it.

Will you forgive him if he sings Little Bees on comms?

He's resigning from the CSM, I personally think that is adequate but it's not up to me it's up to CCP. After all CCP are an injured party in all of this fiasco.

Yes great message

CCF - 'We don't care if you want to drive each other to suicide, just please don't shout about it in public'

Frankly, the only thing that wants to make me kill myself here is your terrible posting. Can we all just move on from this onto more important things, like Roadhouse?

Yes great message

CCF - 'We don't care if you want to drive each other to suicide, just please don't shout about it in public'

We are talking about 1 isolated incident, or do you know of many others? I'm not going to take the theoretical moral highground, I'll just judge the individual case. But the decision on what happens is not mine to make, although I can express an opinion which I've done.

Is that the one where the pagan katana wielding ninja kills all the evil gangsters.......?

We are talking about 1 isolated incident, or do you know of many others? I'm not going to take the theoretical moral highground, I'll just judge the individual case. But the decision on what happens is not mine to make, although I can express an opinion which I've done.

No, it's the one where Patrick Swayze is a wandering bouncer who cleans up a bar then he cleans up the whole town. It's very exciting.

Also I meant he cleans up crime, not trash. Not that I'm against the environment but Patrick Swayze cleaning up trash just wouldn't be as exciting.

He's resigning from the CSM, I personally think that is adequate but it's not up to me it's up to CCP. After all CCP are an injured party in all of this fiasco.

So you read on some random website that he's resigning and you believe it. Good for you I guess.

Why is it so hard to see the potential good the PR campaign on this could be? "Players across EVE rise up to defeat the evil Goonswarm Empire"...Makes "EVE is Real" seem like a kiddie pool.

EDIT: Also, I agree that there are WAYYYYYYYYYYY too many ways this could go badly. Why not embrace one way that might go right?

the hell do you expect him to do, cry on youtube?

This couldn't have just gone in one of the two threadnaughts already discussing this?

Which is where? In the two potential paths? Or that this is a flamewar between pubbies and Goons?

This was in one of the threadnaughts, but it was buried and ignored, hence why I posted the OP. I dont care what happens to Mittens, I am just saying lets turn this PR disaster into a potentially fun game experience. But of course, trying to make a concerted point while Goons discuss the wonders of Roadhouse...Well, lets just say a brick wall is easier to put your head through.