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You Know you play too much Eve when you get into a car crash and you run away as fast as you can so that you don't get podded.

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Originally by: Xanuf

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Bannable scams include:

-Character transfer scams
-Timecard scams
-Most anything involving your account info



Anything outside of that is fair game. Eve is harsh, I wouldn't trust anyone you don't know in real life.

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Originally by: Tasuk

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Originally by: Xanuf

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Bannable scams include:

-Character transfer scams
-Timecard scams
-Most anything involving your account info



Anything outside of that is fair game. Eve is harsh, I wouldn't trust anyone you don't know in real life.

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and loan scams

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Originally by: Azuse

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Being fair, there's absolutely no guarantee in any trade, and all contracts are so clearly labelled they're colour coded, if anything there isn't really scamming, only lack of attention

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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We are not NPCs.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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So it is very easy to cheat using this

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Originally by: Azuse

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Being fair, there's absolutely no guarantee in any trade, and all contracts are so clearly labelled they're colour coded, if anything there isn't really scamming, only lack of attention

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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux

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scams that are based on the victim's (misplaced) trust in the scammer instead of quirks in game mechanics are still fair game.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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I've been scammed and have opened a petition about this.

So talking with some guys on Local Channel they said that scamming is not just legal in EVE but also supported by CCP.

It is hard to believe that a serious company can do that but is it true?

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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It is really amazing what I am seeing here.

This game is the CCP grieving machine.

Thanks for all answers.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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It is really amazing what I am seeing here.

This game is the CCP grieving machine.

Thanks for all answers.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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I am writing to Pan-European Game Information (PEGI) asking them to review this game age rating. A 12 years old child can't learn this kind of "lessons" your are giving here.

I know now the game that my sons won't ever play.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it.

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My lawns have never protected me from anything.

Originally by: Dizeezer Velar

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My lawns have never protected me from anything.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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Don't fool yourself dude, this has nothing to do with donation.

It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it.

I am writing to Pan-European Game Information (PEGI) asking them to review this game age rating. A 12 years old child can't learn this kind of "lessons" your are giving here.

I know now the game that my sons won't ever play.

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Originally by: Catharacta

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My CNR runs on salvager tears.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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It is really amazing what I am seeing here.

This game is the CCP grieving machine.

Thanks for all answers.

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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Originally by: Feilamya

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Some people (like the op) really shouldn't play games.
They don't get the concept of a game into their head, and they are clearly unable to distinguish between a game and real life.
Sadly, products such as WoW have made many of those non-gamers get into gaming in the last couple of years. Threads like this are the result.

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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Don't fool yourself dude, this has nothing to do with donation.

It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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I am writing to Pan-European Game Information (PEGI) asking them to review this game age rating. A 12 years old child can't learn this kind of "lessons" your are giving here.

I know now the game that my sons won't ever play.

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Originally by: dr doooo

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I've always thought that the poor suckers, whose parents didn't teach them the life skills needed in the real world, and who come to the forums winging about scams, should really be posting a thank you post. Many others aren't so lucky, and get similar 'lessons' in the real world, where it really hurts.

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Edited by: DubanFP on 18/09/2008 19:41:17

Originally by: dr doooo

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I've always thought that the poor suckers, whose parents didn't teach them the life skills needed in the real world, and who come to the forums winging about scams, should really be posting a thank you post. Many others aren't so lucky, and get similar 'lessons' in the real world, where it really hurts.

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--and--

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

--and--

Can I have your stuff?

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Originally by: Veebora

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I think interesting the way people here think.

Wrong is the guy that has been cheated by the lawyer and have signed a bad contract, the guy that has been stoled by a thief, the woman that has been ****d...

The aggressor is a kind of hero here.

Really interesting to see your values.

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it.

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Originally by: Veebora

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I think interesting the way people here think.

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Originally by: Captain Diamond

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Edited by: Captain Diamond on 19/09/2008 01:35:45
You think scamming is bad; what about the nut that sets the cost for communication with him/her really high. When wanting to chat, most people usually click to accept really quickly not even looking at what the charge is. That's one you don't want to fall for when its set to millions.

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Originally by: Veebora

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I really think that what you do in a game against real a person, you can do in real life indeed.

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Originally by: Veebora

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If you think that your guitar in Guitar Hero is a real person you should look for help.

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Originally by: Veebora

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If you think that your guitar in Guitar Hero is a real person you should look for help.

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Originally by: Veebora

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I've seem some even people posting here, but most here are really with the values reversed.

Of course we need to take care of us, but when we can't due a mistake or a bad moment we shouldn't be ashamed because someone without any caliber took advantage of the moment and cheated on us.

We need to learn with it, but the cheater is the guy outside the line here, not the victim.

I really think that what you do in a game against real a person, you can do in real life indeed.

As I said, we are not NPCs but real people. So you are hurting and stealing a human being, not a NPC.

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Originally by: Veebora

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I've seem some even people posting here, but most here are really with the values reversed.

Of course we need to take care of us, but when we can't due a mistake or a bad moment we shouldn't be ashamed because someone without any caliber took advantage of the moment and cheated on us.

We need to learn with it, but the cheater is the guy outside the line here, not the victim.

I really think that what you do in a game against real a person, you can do in real life indeed.

As I said, we are not NPCs but real people. So you are hurting and stealing a human being, not a NPC.

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Originally by: Veebora

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Of course we need to take care of us, but when we can't due a mistake or a bad moment we shouldn't be ashamed because someone without any caliber took advantage of the moment and cheated on us.

We need to learn with it, but the cheater is the guy outside the line here, not the victim.

I really think that what you do in a game against real a person, you can do in real life indeed.

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Originally by: Veebora

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Really interesting to see your values.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it.

I am writing to Pan-European Game Information (PEGI) asking them to review this game age rating. A 12 years old child can't learn this kind of "lessons" your are giving here.

I know now the game that my sons won't ever play.

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Originally by: Stephannus Calimben

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To the Op:
Are you much of a card player? The game of poker is a game where the object is to use the rules, that is a set number of randomly dealt cards and a specific predetermined betting order, to gain the most of your opponents money as you can manage to obtain. Once the rules have been set, you are allowed to flex the muscles of your imagination within the confines of the rules as you see fit.
Eve is a lot like a game of poker. The rules have been laid out in the EULA, as well as updated occasionally through newly added bannable offenses. However, so long as you play within the confines of those rules, you are free to do as you please to win your opponents money, or to accumulate it through the game in other means as you see fit.
Also, much like a game of poker, players leave their morality at the door. In poker you don't feel guilty about deceiving, lying to, or otherwise misleading your opponents as they all agreed to those rules upon agreeing to play the game.
What you're doing now is like pushing all your money onto the table because your opponent said he had a pair of threes (which you could beat), when he in fact had a pair of aces (which you couldn't). This is very clearly unfair, not because you were cheated but because you are attempting to cheat HIM by reneging on rules that you agreed to play by when you joined the game. However, much like your poker buddies would undoubtedly do, CCP is also refusing to return to you your money.

You need to take a moment to sit back and reflect on what you're expecting. This is a game. It is not a reality simulator, it is not a storybook lesson designed to teach your child morality. It is also not a cooperative space-mining sim. Eve is a game meant to simulate a space-faring wild west. The game has been constructed such that each player is confronted with a set of tools and a sandbox to play in. That sandbox is filled with other players given much the same tools, and you're free to determine your own personal goal and pursue it how you see fit. That some, like you, choose to cooperate with their fellow players to obtain mutual prosperity doesn't mean that other players are not equally correct in assuming that the goal of the game is to prove their superior intellect and daring by swindling others of their money, or taking it by brute force. That's the joy of this game, is that no matter how you play you're always kept on your toes by everybody else, and the friendships you forge are all the stronger because of it (even though you shouldn't trust even them with a dime of your isk).

When you clicked ok to the EULA, this was the game you signed up for, not the one you seem to think it is. If that's not alright with you, then I wish you good luck in whatever game you find that is.

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Originally by: Veebora

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I really think that what you do in a game against real a person, you can do in real life indeed.

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Originally by: Sinc

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also ever heard of roleplaying ?.

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Originally by: Aria Jenneth

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Someone earlier mentioned anarchy. Well, Eve's not quite it, but it's as close to it as I personally ever hope to come.

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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The contract and hiperlink mechanics in game helps a lot the scamming.

You can put a single product in contract and a different description (some times just a little bit) on it, and also hiperlink it on channels with any name.

So it is very easy to cheat using this.

I don't know another game where it is support or even allowed, this is why I made this post.

In my case I've bought a Rave BPC as if it was a CNR BPC, 200 millions lost.

The strange in this game is that mistreat people feels ashamed while the cheater glorify himself, this seems to be a sad value inversion.

The bottom line is that most companies around the world are very concerned about social responsibility. I can't see any other company encouraging scamming against real people.

We are not NPCs.

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Originally by: Antonius Hari

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Recently in the sell thread, A CCP GM, locked a thread and told the player it is against game rules to sell soemthing you do not own, or to sell an item for someone else.
Therfore , if CCP , follow their own rules, Scamming shoudl not exist in game, because most scams , the scammer is try to sell soemthing that is not in his hanger.

I have not been scammed, but there is a reall loophole here, to anyone that has been scammed..

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=880237
I am curious about this topic now...

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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The contract and hiperlink mechanics in game helps a lot the scamming.

You can put a single product in contract and a different description (some times just a little bit) on it, and also hiperlink it on channels with any name.

So it is very easy to cheat using this.

I don't know another game where it is support or even allowed, this is why I made this post.

In my case I've bought a Rave BPC as if it was a CNR BPC, 200 millions lost.

The strange in this game is that mistreat people feels ashamed while the cheater glorify himself, this seems to be a sad value inversion.

The bottom line is that most companies around the world are very concerned about social responsibility. I can't see any other company encouraging scamming against real people.

We are not NPCs.

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Originally by: Veebora

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I really think that what you do in a game against real a person, you can do in real life indeed.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/09/2008 15:00:06

Originally by: Devilish Ledoux

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scams that are based on the victim's (misplaced) trust in the scammer instead of quirks in game mechanics are still fair game.

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This. To scam by betraying trust is fully legal. It's a cold harsh world, deal with it. If you trust the wrong people, you get boned.

If you cannot read a contract even though everything is clearly written, you get boned. Geez, that sounds awfully familiar

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Originally by: Antonius Hari

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Edited by: Antonius Hari on 23/09/2008 05:03:06
Recently in the sell thread, A CCP GM, locked a thread and told the player it is against game rules to sell soemthing you do not own, or to sell an item for someone else.
Therfore , if CCP , follow their own rules, Scamming shoudl not exist in game, because most scams , the scammer is try to sell soemthing that is not in his hanger.

I have not been scammed, but there is a reall loophole here, to anyone that has been scammed..

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=880237
I am curious about this topic now...

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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Don't fool yourself dude, this has nothing to do with donation.

It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it.

I am writing to Pan-European Game Information (PEGI) asking them to review this game age rating. A 12 years old child can't learn this kind of "lessons" your are giving here.

I know now the game that my sons won't ever play.

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Originally by: Stephannus Calimben

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To the Op:
Are you much of a card player? The game of poker is a game where the object is to use the rules, that is a set number of randomly dealt cards and a specific predetermined betting order, to gain the most of your opponents money as you can manage to obtain. Once the rules have been set, you are allowed to flex the muscles of your imagination within the confines of the rules as you see fit.
Eve is a lot like a game of poker. The rules have been laid out in the EULA, as well as updated occasionally through newly added bannable offenses. However, so long as you play within the confines of those rules, you are free to do as you please to win your opponents money, or to accumulate it through the game in other means as you see fit.
Also, much like a game of poker, players leave their morality at the door. In poker you don't feel guilty about deceiving, lying to, or otherwise misleading your opponents as they all agreed to those rules upon agreeing to play the game.
What you're doing now is like pushing all your money onto the table because your opponent said he had a pair of threes (which you could beat), when he in fact had a pair of aces (which you couldn't). This is very clearly unfair, not because you were cheated but because you are attempting to cheat HIM by reneging on rules that you agreed to play by when you joined the game. However, much like your poker buddies would undoubtedly do, CCP is also refusing to return to you your money.

You need to take a moment to sit back and reflect on what you're expecting. This is a game. It is not a reality simulator, it is not a storybook lesson designed to teach your child morality. It is also not a cooperative space-mining sim. Eve is a game meant to simulate a space-faring wild west. The game has been constructed such that each player is confronted with a set of tools and a sandbox to play in. That sandbox is filled with other players given much the same tools, and you're free to determine your own personal goal and pursue it how you see fit. That some, like you, choose to cooperate with their fellow players to obtain mutual prosperity doesn't mean that other players are not equally correct in assuming that the goal of the game is to prove their superior intellect and daring by swindling others of their money, or taking it by brute force. That's the joy of this game, is that no matter how you play you're always kept on your toes by everybody else, and the friendships you forge are all the stronger because of it (even though you shouldn't trust even them with a dime of your isk).

When you clicked ok to the EULA, this was the game you signed up for, not the one you seem to think it is. If that's not alright with you, then I wish you good luck in whatever game you find that is.

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Originally by: dr doooo

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Edited by: dr doooo on 18/09/2008 20:53:22

You can have my stuff, but you need to send carriage and brokers fees up front of 2,356,546,776 isk. (you are very lucky, as I am very rich).

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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I don't know another game where it is support or even allowed, this is why I made this post.

The bottom line is that most companies around the world are very concerned about social responsibility. I can't see any other company encouraging scamming against real people.

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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Originally by: Saniyya Najat

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those that grasp the mechanics of the game the fastest or the most completely will often gain access to resources unavailable to the rest of us.....or that used to belong to the rest of us.

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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Hi. I'm 13 years old, and after laughing at you for your apparent lack of common sense, my mom read this topic, and wanted me to tell you to stfu and stop crying noob.

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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Hi. I'm 13 years old, and after laughing at you for your apparent lack of common sense, my mom read this topic, and wanted me to tell you to stfu and stop crying noob.

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Originally by: Corwain

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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Hi. I'm 13 years old, and after laughing at you for your apparent lack of common sense, my mom read this topic, and wanted me to tell you to stfu and stop crying noob.

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You're very mature for your age.

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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Originally by: Aodha Khan

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Originally by: Vibora BR

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I don't know another game where it is support or even allowed, this is why I made this post.

The bottom line is that most companies around the world are very concerned about social responsibility. I can't see any other company encouraging scamming against real people.

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1. That's why Eve is the best MMORPG for me. It's unlike any other linear, no risk MMORPG.
2. Your character is not a real person. He was the one scammed, not you personally. Learn the difference.

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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Hi. I'm 13 years old, and after laughing at you for your apparent lack of common sense, my mom read this topic, and wanted me to tell you to stfu and stop crying noob.

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Originally by: P'uck

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I don't think he's really 13 unless he bought that character
Also I'm pretty sure his mom didn't say "STFU noob".

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