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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
550
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:31:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Did I just interpret this correctly in that you made this change because of technical clarity rather than usability studies or UAT which pointed towards a necessary change to make the game more playable or the UI better from a player's perspective?
No, what made you think that? I asked specifically for use cases where this could be confusing due to lack of other contextual identifiers... ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it. |
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Saint Lazarus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
202
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:40:00 -
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Every time I seen a ship named Stargate (system name), it annoyed hell out of me.
I guess mainly because there must be some people out there dumb enough to fall for it, otherwise people would stop doing it |
JeanMichel Bizarre
Natural Progression
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:53:00 -
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Maluscious Melody wrote:You have stargates on your overview?
Not sure if serious or not. omniscient omnipotent omnipresent without judgement |
Callic Veratar
Power of the Phoenix
168
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:07:00 -
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Stealth nerf to target by alphabetical FCing. |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:13:00 -
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Riper GriM wrote:CCP Prism X wrote:Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields. Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable. Nope, I was more hoping that people would confuse my ship with a stargate when skimming through their d-scan. So all in all, the change is probably welcome by most. I myself dislike it because it will probably affect my possibility to ambush people. But that's just me really.
Unfortunate for you I have item type as first column.
-Vix |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:14:00 -
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I'm very happy with this change. |
Vyktor Abyss
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
99
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:27:00 -
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There's some real numpties in thsi thread...
It is a befeficial change which arrived pretty quick after I moaned about it (within 2 months iirc). Since I moaned a bit I think it is fair that CCP deserve credit for getting this issue 'fixed' and giving us a more intuitive interface/overview.
Moaners should just sort on type and shudduppatharfaces. |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
1040
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:40:00 -
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FWIW, design asked for/approved this change (depending on which timeline you're following), on the basis that having the interesting bit of information at the end of a text string in a limited-column-width situation wasn't very helpful. |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
555
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:45:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields. Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable.
I'm more concerned about sorting in a PVP situation and then having random stargate names scattered amongst player names rather than all bunched up under the Stargate name.
So it would be :
Bloodpetal CCP Goliath Crielere Dog Dingit Blam Blapper.
I know there's an icon and everything, but when you're focusing on a list of multi colored insane voodoo magic - which one is the player, which one is the solar system?
Just saying.
Not everyone has the Type column showing (especially noobs because you don't default that column on afaik?)
Anyways - I don't think this is some terribad move or anything, but I think it might throw people off.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
555
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:47:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:FWIW, design asked for/approved this change (depending on which timeline you're following), on the basis that having the interesting bit of information at the end of a text string in a limited-column-width situation wasn't very helpful.
I do agree with this. However, having a visual identifier to set them apart from other things, such as a players name, might be incidentally nice.
Also, think about all the people who are going to name their Character
"Rancer Stargate"
To throw off all the people who are now going to try and warp to Rancer Stargate, hoping that players' columns aren't wide enough to show the full name and try and warp to another player in vain instead of actually warping to Rancer.
"Your warp drive can not lock onto that object!" "Your warp drive can not lock onto that object!" "Your warp drive can not lock onto that object!" "Your warp drive can not lock onto that object!"
WARP DAMN YOUUUUU!!!
(Crielere is a better example since that's an outbound of Rancer, but you get my point. People are more likely to want to GTFO than go into Rancer. At least by the time they figure out why it was a bad idea. )
So, throw something in there that isn't allowed in player characters. Such as:
(Rancer) *Rancer $Rancer
I dont know, you're the designers.
Think more like PVPers and Griefers. :p
And now think about all the whining and bitching YOU would have to hear from all the people that get suckered by PVPers and Griefers because of your interface design.
And now think which is less stressful to fix now than later. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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Victor Valka
Endoxa Corporation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:48:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Many people [citation needed] had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. |
Ranshe
Blackwater Company
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:53:00 -
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Riper GriM wrote:Ranshe wrote:Riper GriM wrote:I myself dislike it because it will probably affect my possibility to ambush people. But that's just me really. Or you could, you know, just rename your ships? I think people might pay more attention to a ship with a single name like Jita or Rens than Stargate (Jita) or Stargate (Rens). 99% sure about that.
Are people really that dumb? I mean, there's a bloody type column on the directional scanner, showing your ship type instead of stargate, right there. I think you don't even have to enable it.
Bloodpetal wrote: So it would be :
Bloodpetal CCP Goliath Crielere Dog Dingit Blam Blapper.
It's like it doesn't happen now, because there aren't any players with names starting with S all the way through Z. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
555
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:57:00 -
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Ranshe wrote:Bloodpetal wrote: So it would be :
Bloodpetal CCP Goliath Crielere Dog Dingit Blam Blapper.
It's like it doesn't happen now, because there aren't any players with names starting with S all the way through Z.
urm.
Stargate( Stargate( Stargate(
Is pretty alphanumerically unique and something no other player is able to "slip into" because ( are not allowed in name creation.
So no, it didn't happen until today based simply on sorting your column by name.
You knew reliably if you sorted by Name, all the Stargates would be in the Stargate( alphanumerical section of the column with no players interspersed in between.
Now, you'll have to sort amongst 50+ ships, know what the outbound gates are ahead of time, and hope that you select the right name in a column list of 50 blinking glowing neon lit, shiny insane ships trying to kill you.
I'm not recommending going back to the "Stargate(" at all.
I'm saying, add a identifier that sorts them individually. Simply putting (Rancer) would do 2 things. Sort Stargates alphanumerically in the same place, and include a character that players are unable to replicate so people can identify it immediately without having to cross reference 1-2 other columns.
And yes, people are that stupid.
The overview column is used to sort 1 thing fmore most people. **** you can shoot at. The inclusion of stargates and stations as a navigational tool is usually just a last resort for most individuals that do PVP to get your pod out or whatever. There's other interface improvements i"d like CCP to do to make this a happier world for us all which I won't get into here.
Stargates used to have stargate and Stations used to have the station name in it - so that left anything that didn't have an identifier was a player/thing to shoot. Now the Name column with Stargates interspersed is just confusing the issue for some people. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:17:00 -
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Saint Lazarus wrote:Every time I seen a ship named Stargate (system name), it annoyed hell out of me.
I guess mainly because there must be some people out there dumb enough to fall for it, otherwise people would stop doing it I don't know why people think this works considering there's a type column right next to the name that is far more relevant. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:33:00 -
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Hey while you are in the text adjustment mode.
How about changing
Asteroid (Veldspar)
to
Veldspar
Needs to be done for all the asteroids (Name field again)
Thanks in advance
Please, pretty pretty please |
Anton Abo
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:03:00 -
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and what about goind ahead and name things like this :
Station : [ IV-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]
or alteratively, since Roman numbers don't sort well : [ 4-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]
Stargate : ( Crielere ) or < Crielere >
Asteroids : * Veldspar *
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You get the idea. It allows to easily read what type the object is with only a character. There is plenty of characters available and if needed, you can set up "double char" marking. Like : |> Crielere <|
I already use this kind of marking to name my bookmarks and it's pretty useful to tell instantly the difference between : - the sniping BM off gate: >> Crielere @230 - the scanning BM off grid: -(( Crielere @10AU - the tactical BM: |- Crielere @80 ... not to mention temp safes, safes unaligned, deep safes, scanning safes.... :) |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
448
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:07:00 -
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Riper GriM wrote:Chribba wrote:Sort by type in scanner now because going byt he name will indeed not work at all. No but you see, I really liked to name my ships : Stargate (Jita) etc. I swear to you that it confuses the **** out of people who just make a quick d-scan and don't pay attention to much.More than once I have been able to drop unnanouced on someone thanks to that.
No it doesnt, becasue poeple have been doing that for years, its not a new and egdy idea son... Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:26:00 -
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redundancy = bad
I approve this change ^_^ |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
98
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:01:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:FWIW, design asked for/approved this change (depending on which timeline you're following), on the basis that having the interesting bit of information at the end of a text string in a limited-column-width situation wasn't very helpful.
It isn't, no, but a lot of people do a sort-by-name on the overview. I personally have one or two overview filters that have stargates on them purposefully, one of which I use almost daily. If I sorted by name, it meant I had all of the stargates in one spot on my overview, and they were really easy to find.
Now, not so much, especially on busy grids or in systems with silly amounts of celestials.
Currently, when you have a route set in your autopilot, only the icon of your next warp destination is marked yellow. If you cannot 'mask' the word "Stargate" from the object names so that they sort-by-name the same as they did before, at the very least, please make all of the text for that object yellow in the overview (much like stations are in the market now) so that it's easy to spot. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
139
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:18:00 -
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JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:Maluscious Melody wrote:You have stargates on your overview? Not sure if serious or not.
A lot of people do system navigation solely with the right-click menu.
I keep planets and gates (and usually stations to since there's normally only 1 or 2 in most systems I'm usually in) on my overview 'cause when I have my MWD overheated and I'm trying to GTFO, I really don't want to hassle with a context menu. (also have a tab that shows only useful warp-outs for the same reason. That and navigating in the area around Jita, lol)
I like this change. My name column is only as wide as it is because the word "Stargate" precedes all the gate destinations. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:29:00 -
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Anton Abo wrote:Stargate : ( Crielere ) or < Crielere > I too am one of the now Many peopleGäó expressing a desire for this to be implemented post haste. |
DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:50:00 -
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Dang! I like it... |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:01:00 -
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This is an excellent change, I was glad to see it on Sisi
And it's not CCP's fault that some peeveepee-ers are scrubs and fail at overview (really, stargates and stations in the filters that you use for your "pvp" tab..? especially considering that some people are reportedly bad at thinking and targeting/calling targets that aren't stargates, apparently?). Maybe a new thing to learn in addition to "mash buttan", because "adapt or die" is not only something to be shouted at high sec carebears. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:08:00 -
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Actually, CCP, the overview needs fixing and you know it (for example how the AND / OR logic in the states selection doesn't work the way you think it does). But for advanced overview users maybe something like this could be implemented
optionally, you can select the way stuff in your columns appears. For example, every stargate can be formatted to appear in < > (e.g. < Rancer >). All this information is available in the overview already in the form of tags, but perhaps in addition to tags. I think that for many this would be a great usability improvement. Kind of like you can adjust the way ships are displayed when you mouseover them. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
210
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:38:00 -
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Gate(Jita)
it's a gate right. short, and also sorts higher up top than Stargate() ;)
or just (Jita) for all I care. GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:43:00 -
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Let's start with calling you dumb to get that out of the way. All the cool kids are doing it.
Now:
Ajita al Tchar wrote:And it's not CCP's fault that some peeveepee-ers are scrubs and fail at overview (really, stargates and stations in the filters that you use for your "pvp" tab..? This doesn't affect me the least in my every-day PVP activities, where I indeed do not have stargates on the overview. My high-sec alt, on the other hand, who lives most of his life with a 'travel' overview containing nothing but gates and stations, is most annoyed with this modification. Seeing as I have not only one, but two such alts, by current CCP logic I now single-handedly constitute Many peopleGäó and we are most emphatically expressing our desire for some sort of identifier in stargate naming conventions that would revert them to their previous behaviour vis-+á-vis overview sorting.
We also have OCD and are thus extra sensitive to alterations in our environment, the EVE GUI in particular, although this may or may not be a lie to further my argument by appealing to pity for those of that affliction. |
Liz Arji
Gothic Unlimited
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:10:00 -
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Anton Abo wrote:and what about goind ahead and name things like this :
Station : [ IV-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]
or alteratively, since Roman numbers don't sort well : [ 4-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ] I already posted that idea 1 or 2 pages before and made a thread for it in the features & ideas section: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87714
Please also express your support there! =) |
Miang Hawwa
Amphysvena
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:28:00 -
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This has been an excelent change and I like it.
OP is a n00b. |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
585
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:17:00 -
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How about Rens (Stargate) ? |
Efraya
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
86
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:27:00 -
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What are these "Stargates" that you speak off?
WSpace; Best space. |
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