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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:28:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:FWIW, design asked for/approved this change (depending on which timeline you're following), on the basis that having the interesting bit of information at the end of a text string in a limited-column-width situation wasn't very helpful.
PLEASE consider a change back to (STARGATE).
The overview is just a blur of words now. I spend critical seconds now 'looking' for stargates.
I have no idea who this gives an advantage to.
Did anyone in design actually try playing after this change was made or to test it out ?
My ISK is on the word "No". OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1117
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:31:00 -
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And here I have been using the Navigation overview setting for the last few years: just stargates and stations.
Rather than sorting by type, sort by icon. Then the next destination in your autopilot route will show up on top because it is yellow.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:32:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:And here I have been using the Navigation overview setting for the last few years: just stargates and stations.
Rather than sorting by type, sort by icon. Then the next destination in your autopilot route will show up on top because it is yellow.
Anything other than a distance sort is unhelpful.....and I'm not always looking for the Destination one ATM.
This just reeks of 'a change just to change something'. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:52:00 -
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Needs a different Icon for Stargates at least that looks radically different from Planets. Why a circle ? That microscopic arrow is not distinguishable enough. It all LOOKS THE SAME TO THE EYE.
I really wish these designers would play the game with their changes beforehand. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:53:00 -
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Solj RichPopolous wrote:Swear people will cry about ANYTHING. Make a gate filter and new tab on your overview if its such a big deal and then shut up.
(in hindsight i probably realize 75% of eve idiots still don't know how to make a filter properly reason being alliance blobbers or empire dwellers)
I am tabbed-out. No more to make a 'new one'.
This is an uneccesary change.
You try filtering in the heat of battle. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
351
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:54:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields. Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable.
Awesome change. Long overdue and very welcome. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:57:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:That is actually quite simple to do and we could easily retain the system names in search results to facilitate station search by systemID.
Stations are distinguishable by a prominent, unique Square. What was the problem exactly ??? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:02:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote: Awesome change. Long overdue and very welcome.
Can you tell me how it is more helpful for you ? What is this brilliant awsomeness ? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1205
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:06:00 -
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It seems someone at CCP failed to anticipate all the ways that people use their overviews.
New:
Jita
Old:
Stargate (Jita)
Better:
SG - Jita
edit: as I understand it stations will soon (if they aren't already...w-space means never going weeks without seeing stations) be called "4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant" instead of "Jita IV Moon 4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant." This is a good change. A bad change would be removing the planet/moon reference entirely. Which is basically what was done with stargates. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:18:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:It seems someone at CCP failed to anticipate all the ways that people use their overviews.
New:
Jita
Old:
Stargate (Jita)
Better:
SG - Jita
edit: as I understand it stations will soon (if they aren't already...w-space means never going weeks without seeing stations) be called "4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant" instead of "Jita IV Moon 4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant." This is a good change. A bad change would be removing the planet/moon reference entirely. Which is basically what was done with stargates.
YES....anything but what it is today. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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Kojach Baumherr
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:02:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Sort by type in scanner now because going byt he name will indeed not work at all.
people didnt do that already? im learning more about how terrible miners get ganked every day |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
47
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:05:00 -
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So when your FC says "Warp to xxxx gate" you now know what gate that is without having to have a huge overview, or hover your mouse over it to see what it is.
Cheers CCP! ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
61
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:08:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:
Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields.
Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable.
Hi, I personally agree with the change, but I understand about the issue of icon visibility and differentiation. Myself, I like smaller text, so have 90% scaled UI and am on a high resolution. The real drawback comes into the overview icons where a quick escape or selection of the stargate is important. If we look at overview, planets, moons, suns and stargates are similar, a circle with only minor variations. The suns can be excluded, there is only one and they are shaded. The stargates do have the triangle symbol however. Maybe that is all that is needed, a bit more of a change in the stargate icon.
One other plausible idea is what if the addition of shaders to the overview? In the filters list make it so people can apply a color or something to the icon might allow visibility. Good for pvp (or bad if you fly a primary). |

Anton Abo
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:28:00 -
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Liz Arji wrote:Anton Abo wrote:and what about goind ahead and name things like this :
Station : [ IV-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]
or alteratively, since Roman numbers don't sort well : [ 4-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ] I already posted that idea 1 or 2 pages before and made a thread for it in the features & ideas section: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87714Please also express your support there! =)
I'm sorry I missed your suggestion... supported of course :) |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
357
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:47:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Princess Bride wrote: Awesome change. Long overdue and very welcome.
Can you tell me how it is more helpful for you ? What is this brilliant awsomeness ?
Thinner columns on my overview means more space for... space. I love common-sense fixes like this. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
453
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:00:00 -
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I liked this change and would also like to shorten the station names as suggested earlier.
Needless to say, adding 3 checkboxes:
1) CTRL LOCK to lock overview. (Yes / No)
2) Postpone stargate qualifier (Yes / No)
3) Postpone station qualifier (Yes / No)
in the overview preferences would have made everyone happy and in very short time. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
966
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:06:00 -
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Riper GriM wrote:World Shaping Stargates are now named solely for their destination. This means it will now display 'Destination' rather than 'Stargate(destination)'.
WHY ?
[fun] Because it makes sense, you already know it's a gate right? - [/fun] |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:10:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:
Thinner columns on my overview means more space for... space. I love common-sense fixes like this.
The horrendously long station names are MUCH more of an issue as far as wide columns. EIGHT freaking characters in S T A R G A T E is NOT an issue.
This is just a sneak change.......to someone's advantage. Not sure who.
About as knuckleheaded as the 'locked' Overview unlocking after 1.5 seconds. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:15:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Riper GriM wrote:World Shaping Stargates are now named solely for their destination. This means it will now display 'Destination' rather than 'Stargate(destination)'.
WHY ? [fun] Because it makes sense, you already know it's a gate right? -  [/fun]
Nope. It's now labeled just like a planet. With nearly identical Icon. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:11:00 -
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Having read through comments of people who dislike the change, I can now definitely see where this might be an issue although I'm personally fine with this change. Everyone is different and some cues work well for some people while being unnecessary for others.
CCP, the overview is probably the most vital tool the player has. It is something like our eyes, and a badly setup overview can literally be the difference between going "pop" and staying alive. Why not put a proportionate amount of work into improving it? Yes, you've been making changes, but these changes all have one big flaw: users still can't customize their overview as much as it would make sense to, and making a change mandatory will help some while hurting others.
Personally, I would like to see the following things:
1) Ability to perform secondary and tertiary sorts reliably. E.g. I could sort stuff by distance first, then by icon, then by name. I could also ONLY sort by distance if I wanted to, so three sorting criteria wouldn't be required. This should be customizable for each tab. 2) Select which icons represent what 3) Customize the way text is displayed in the overview. For example, I could set it so every stargate would appear in ( ), asteroids in * *, alliances in [[ ]] etc. The ability to color text might be nice too, why are we limited to adjusting the color of the background? 4) Have column widths be part of the overview properties in the XML. I really hate importing overview settings to different characters and then in addition to it also going through and adjusting each column just so. 5) For the love of god, fix the logic in the state selection! I suggest for ***** and giggles trying to make it so your overview displays ONLY outlaws and ALL outlaws on grid (that means no people that you have no standing toward; not the same thing as neutral standing btw). 6) Optional functions like overview freeze.
Have some set of default values that make sense so that those who don't care to tinker with the overview don't have to do it, but let people who want to make precise adjustments to the way they see stuff around them do so.
Has any of this already been mentioned in Features and Ideas at any point? I don't know if it has, and if it's worth a post there, but these things would trump any and all recent updates to the overview. |
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adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:17:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote: I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable. HAHA good one aka never. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:29:00 -
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Anton Abo wrote:and what about goind ahead and name things like this :
Station : [ IV-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]
or alteratively, since Roman numbers don't sort well : [ 4-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]
Stargate : ( Crielere ) or < Crielere >
Asteroids : * Veldspar *
...
You get the idea. It allows to easily read what type the object is with only a character. There is plenty of characters available and if needed, you can set up "double char" marking. Like : |> Crielere <|
I already use this kind of marking to name my bookmarks and it's pretty useful to tell instantly the difference between : - the sniping BM off gate: >> Crielere @230 - the scanning BM off grid: -(( Crielere @1AU - the tactical BM: |- Crielere @80 ... not to mention temp safes, safes unaligned, deep safes, scanning safes.... :)
(@80 means the BM is 80km from the gate)
Gold. CCP. do it.
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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
140
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:30:00 -
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Efraya wrote:What are these "Stargates" that you speak off? Kind of a ring thing, comes with a dialer, you hit the symbols, it spins around and lights come on, it kind of flushes sideways... Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
474
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:58:00 -
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I am convinced that this was suggested by those that DO want to name their ships "XXXXXX (Stargate)" to fool others during NullBear fisticuffs.
I knew this would turn out to be a NullBear suggestion.........really. Not trying to be funny here.
The Overview is dangerous to rely on now, and vital microseconds are wasted looking for the stargates there amongst the other text and CIRCLE ICONS.
Just WOW. Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "...as if 10,000 Goons cried out and were suddenly silenced" |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
556
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I am convinced that this was suggested by those that DO want to name their ships "XXXXXX (Stargate)" to fool others during NullBear fisticuffs.
I knew this would turn out to be a NullBear suggestion.........really. Not trying to be funny here.
The Overview is dangerous to rely on now, and microseconds wasted looking for the stargates there amongst the other text and CIRCLE ICONS.
Just WOW.
I wish I could get back the microseconds I spent reading your incoherent yippity yap. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
474
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:01:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:I wish I could get back the microseconds I spent reading your incoherent yippity yap.
Read some Mass Attack: "Through the constant harassment over the years the high-sec player can really no longer be termed the carebear. These guys have taken beating after beating and you know what, they're still there, truckin along.
You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****. "
Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "...as if 10,000 Goons cried out and were suddenly silenced" |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
556
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:17:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alpheias wrote:I wish I could get back the microseconds I spent reading your incoherent yippity yap. Read some Mass Attack: "Through the constant harassment over the years the high-sec player can really no longer be termed the carebear. These guys have taken beating after beating and you know what, they're still there, truckin along. You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****. "
Doubtful, but I am expecting you asshats to do another mass exodus out of here when the next hulkageddon is. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
475
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:23:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Doubtful, but I am expecting you asshats to do another mass exodus out of here when the next hulkageddon is.
You have obviously never witnessed H'geddon, as that does NOT happen, besides:
"High sec so doesn't care, that they can't even be bothered to come and tell you directly how much they don't give a ****.
There isn't anything left for you to do to them. You've shot your wad, sorry. Go, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. The only people that care are you guys, who hype up your own "achievements" amongst yourselfs and add some arbitrary and irrelevant level of importance to it. " --- Mass Attack Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "...as if 10,000 Goons cried out and were suddenly silenced" |

Sturmwolke
154
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:03:00 -
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Ok, this redacting of the "Stargate" text from the name is ********. Who's bright idea was this? The texts are mixing and you have to do a split-second double-take to confirm that's it's really a stargate - not a person, not anything else.
Prefix it back to what it was before please. Stargates need to stand out.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1127
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:33:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Anything other than a distance sort is unhelpful.
Why?
When I'm warping out in an emergency all I care about is, "TAKE ME SOMEWHERE THAT IS NOT HERE!"
Perhaps star gates could be coloured differently, for example. Allow the player to define all foreground & background colours and styles, e.g.: every overview entry that is warpable becomes italic/oblique or black-on-white. Sorting by distance or type can happen on my "pod saver" tab, which only includes celestials (gates, planets, customs offices, beacons, not moons).
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