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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.06.17 05:09:00 -
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Why does this happen, why does ccp nerf everything that people have worked for? Example: Battleships not being able to hit ANYTHING except other battleships, unless you are using a drone ship or a ship using smaller weapons? ok ok I know im gunna get flamed but there has gotta be someone out there that agrees with me....
Seriously my friend was in his interceptor that he trained up for a month to fly, was killed by a megathron and with a MWD he is made out to be 25% bigger than the megathron that killed him? CCP why nerf things sooo drasticly? Why not nerf it a little bit and see what happens? Not just like "hey heres something, lets nerf it completly out and see what the players do! Yea thats a good idea!" Doesnt CCP get tired of play God? Hey this should be fun right? Throw something completly out of wack and unexpected into the game and see what happens...
I know I cant be the only person that thinks things like this. Add your opinions and whatnot if you like.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.06.17 05:15:00 -
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Logically, if *EVERYTHING* were nerfed, then it would all end up right where it was before.
What you mean to say is why did CCP nerf the stuff *I* use. Thats pretty simple to answer.
CCP hates you.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.06.17 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 17/06/2004 05:21:38
CCP doesn't know how to make small changes. Any time something is even remotely overpowered it's nerfed to hell in the next patch, it's just the way it goes. I just spent over a month training specifically to use interceptors, to find out my sig radius when using one EFFECTIVELY is 500% bigger. Gee, people fit mwd's to become harder to hit, lets make them easier to hit while using them! Now an interceptor with any appreciable speed (which is it's ONLY advantage) is easier to lock than a battleship 100x its size.
It's come to the point now where all this complaining has gone beyond simple whines, for 14 months now it's just been one major nerf to the next. Sure people adapt, and 3 weeks from now we may not be complaining about the changes anymore, but that doesn't justify 3 months of specialized training going out the window. Beta ended over 12 months ago, if you want to balance things take small steps, stop throwing the entire combat system into disarray with every new patch.
edit* Everything DOES end up the way it was before, that's the problem. One patch projectiles are slightly better, then they get nerfed to hell and hybrids are the best guns. They in turn get nerfed to hell in the next patch, now lasers are the best, which again get nerfed to hell and we end up right back at projectiles being the best. Projectiles were perfectly fine before this last patch. The only thing bs sized weapons needed was a small boost to energy turrets, and maybe some better tracking on the low end guns. Instead, 1400's were nerfed to ****, which is nothing more than a slap in the face to every minmatar out there who's spent months training the necessary skills to actually hit with his guns.
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Falco Rathnekar
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Posted - 2004.06.17 05:18:00 -
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i agree. I hate that i can't use Cruise Missles anymore in my MOA... you'd think you could use cruise missles with a cruiser  I can understand not letting them be used with Friggies... pretty much made my MOA useless hunting in 0.0. On the other hand, i thought it was cool i could hold 30 heavy missles in my heavy launcher, but they still take forever to fire :)
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.06.17 06:09:00 -
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Bleh get over it.
Adapt and learn. If players always got what they wanted it would ruin the game. So even if you dont like it, its for our own good.
The Issue with not being able to hit smaller ships. A BS is completely capable of hitting a frig. Question is are you willing to sacirifce a turret hard point for to accomodate a weapon that will be effective against it.
As abyssmal as I feel about useing RL examples...It is hard as HELL to hit a jet with a deck gun from a ship that was designed primarly for bombardment and to combat other ships.
To hit that jet you either need
A.) a phalanx close in weapons system, Which is a mean little ****** that spits out about 4,000 rounds a min when it only has a 1500 round capacity.
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b.) use missles capable enough to chase it down and blast it.
Its forceing you to choose....If you are by yourself and your expecting to be engaged by frigs...It might be a good Idea to slap on a gun or two that will nail them. If your in a fleet battle and you have teammates that can provide support....hell sure go the hvy gun route. and let your teammates worry about the frigs.
Adapt.
And on the MWD....All I will say is if your haveing problems...then you need to get a faster ship and better skills.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.06.17 06:23:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 17/06/2004 06:25:05
By adapt do you mean spending another 3 months training specialized skills only to see them nerfed to hell with the next patch?
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.06.17 06:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Xelios
Edited by: Xelios on 17/06/2004 06:25:05
By adapt do you mean spending another 3 months training specialized skills only to see them nerfed to hell with the next patch?
Thank you for the point  I agree
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StarWolfer
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Posted - 2004.06.17 06:46:00 -
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CCP doesn't know how to make small changes. Any time something is even remotely overpowered it's nerfed to hell in the next patch, it's just the way it goes
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Synex
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:17:00 -
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You should all train up Mining 5 - they've not nerfed that yet!
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Crusader333
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:28:00 -
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But it was a hard thing to change all that things in one step...but it forces us to build team coordinated fighting Groups, for a better feeling of PvP...
...thats why they are nerfing us...
The time where you can fly around and kill with one ship has ended...
Fighting Groups like SteelVipers are coming to engage YA!
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:29:00 -
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By adapt....YES
What do you expect that one skill will always be UBAR than the others. That one skill that was useful at one time was gonna hold you forever.
Here is a great hint. Dont over due your skill training my friend. Keep yourself spread out enough so you can benifit when the changes happen. You put your eggs in one basket your takeing a risk.
You are not your skills.
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Preying Mantis
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Preying Mantis on 17/06/2004 07:36:28
Yes the changes to Battleship suck... I mean I know they wanted to make it harder to hit smaller targets but didn't think I'd have trouble hitting bog-standard frigates (and even cruisers) targets from 30k with a tracking mod on (was using 425mm rails btw). So what am I meant to do in my Battleship when fighting npcs... unless I'm doing pvp on a single battleship which I don't do yet and if I went into 0.0 to fight battleship npcs I'd be shot down by an alliance or a stupid mwd frigate.
Battleships are too slow to get in close with smaller guns. So we may as well get in a cruiser but wait cruisers don't have the same sort of firepower as a battleship. God damit why not leave these changes till Shiva when there will hopefully be destroyers and battlecruisers filling gaps (oh probably only come of research agents knowing our luck - another load of bs)
Try to put this into concept ffs. People who keep saying how battleship pilots have to live with it. Not everyone is in an alliance. Some people are small corps with 60-100mill Battleships that they worked really hard for knowing they could take a beating. Not to gank and kill everyone, to fight npcs, to make missions and mining easier (not everyone in a bs is intantly doing pvp). They cannot afford to just loose them to 3 ships with a combined of 1 million isk if that. Plus who's going to get into a battleship now, everyone will go for low-cost ships, they should at least lower the battleship price to 20-30mill now they are crap... is ccp trying to make it so I can't do any missions without my buddy online getting into a cruiser as an escort. This sucks man... there should still be a ship or setup where you can do missions on your own. Plus on top of that you managed to cause the usual bugs.
I'm this close to cancelling, you've ruined my game ccp. A**holes.
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Zenst
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Synex
You should all train up Mining 5 - they've not nerfed that yet!
ROFLMAO, THAT is Soooo very very true, though expect S, M and L mining lasers soon. TBH looking at the new tech and ships comming out, cruisers seriously start looking good, probably because there underused and seen by most as a stop gap until they get a battleship. Grab a Blackbird and pop on some sheild extenders (T2 ones - medium) and then do the same with a scorpion and the large T2 sheild extenders, you can see whats the best fit and with sheilds the size of a BS and a recharge rate even an Apoc's cap would envoy, you have to ask when they too will get overloved. I suspect that not enough minera have been killed by cruiser and most have dies from BS's or frigates - hence were we are atm, squashed in the middle.
Another funny is every skill i train before a patch gets nerfed somehow or wasted. Did skill req's for large armour repair for them to be lessoned after I had trained em. Was 1 mission away from a l3 bribably concord agent before another well known patch and this time I was training Sensor Upgrades l5, can imagine shock for a bit when I saw the skill had changed name, albeit after catching my breath and reading that it was stil the same, just worded better but alas no change to CPU req's on warp core stabs from it. Can see why my frigate skills are on level 4. Reckon another week and I'll actualy see what frigate is actuly worth learning now, prior to the patch and factoring in the patch it was looking like minimater were the winners and post patch, I'm sure , but will wait some more. Guess once I've trained it some patch will come and get an evil on my skills again but until then, least there is some hope, Hmm level 5 mining you say, realy should do that, though bisiot at 5 ore a second from a miner 2 with 4/3 is same amount you pull if I trained 5/5 so unless I live n empire or go for lower ores, I still dont see me doing that, and I hate mining 
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Flatliner
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Flatliner on 17/06/2004 07:41:25
CCP you seriously need some kind of quality control on your patches, seriously you do.
Half of m0o corp is now sitting in straightjackets in the local lunatic asylum after having to watch the constant flashing box on the ship when criminaly flagged, seriously try watching it for a few hours with 10+ ships flashing away like that. This has got to go. Not criminal flagging the flashing box. The criminal flagging is not a problem for us. We operate as normal.
As for 1400's, try fitting some low slot tracking enhancer 2's. The damage is lower than pre patch but, this is not all too bad. Tempests never were very good close range, use them mid to long range like they are meant for with phased plasma.
Frigs are still very good at anti-frig, scouting, rush in and scramble/warpout. The mwd nerf for them totaly makes no sense, a frigs best defence was it's speed.
Eve is eating up a horrible amount of memory, which when I close the game or quit it ends up in resetting my computer, not a good thing at all.
Other than that, Patch is good, some adjustments and re-thought needed here and there, but good so far.
Oh and fix the lag  .
Flatliner.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:47:00 -
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Here is a great hint. Dont over due your skill training my friend. Keep yourself spread out enough so you can benifit when the changes happen. You put your eggs in one basket your takeing a risk.
So what's all this talk about having to choose specialized skill trees later in the game? I guess that was all a sham then? Maybe they should have said 'choose specialized skill trees if you want to get screwed over with every patch'?
No, you train certain skills to level 5 because you choose to, say, fly a Tempest. you spend 3 months training tempest-related skills to level 5 to be the best Tempest pilot you can be, then suddenly the tempest is flushed down the toilet. This has nothing to do with keeping your skill training general, CCP has stated from day 1 that skills will sooner or later be very specialized, meaning you have to spend a lot of time training along a certain path to be good at it. How do they expect to pull this off if everything is constantly being nerfed, buffed and nerfed again?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:52:00 -
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I haven't specialized, really.
I can fly Gallente/Caldari/Minmatar battleships to level 4 (and obviously all the related frigs/cruisers).
I have trained all the gun skills to 4 or 5 (motion prediction/controlled bursts etc) and the turret skills to level 4.
Missile skills are about average except I don't have CM 5 yet.
If you want to ensure you don't get nerfed TOO badly, you should concentrate on training Engineering/Navigation/Electronics skills up a lot. I'm headed towards 3.3M skill points in engineering and it's not been nerfed yet 
My plan is to finish Energy Emission Systems 5, improve my Navigation skill base, and then move onto getting my missile skills really up there.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Flatliner
Edited by: Flatliner on 17/06/2004 07:41:25
CCP you seriously need some kind of quality control on your patches, seriously you do.
Half of m0o corp is now sitting in straightjackets in the local lunatic asylum after having to watch the constant flashing box on the ship when criminaly flagged, seriously try watching it for a few hours with 10+ ships flashing away like that. This has got to go. Not criminal flagging the flashing box. The criminal flagging is not a problem for us. We operate as normal.
As for 1400's, try fitting some low slot tracking enhancer 2's. The damage is lower than pre patch but, this is not all too bad. Tempests never were very good close range, use them mid to long range like they are meant for with phased plasma.
Frigs are still very good at anti-frig, scouting, rush in and scramble/warpout. The mwd nerf for them totaly makes no sense, a frigs best defence was it's speed.
Eve is eating up a horrible amount of memory, which when I close the game or quit it ends up in resetting my computer, not a good thing at all.
Other than that, Patch is good, some adjustments and re-thought needed here and there, but good so far.
Oh and fix the lag .
Flatliner.
Flatliner...that was beautiful..
And I think the flashy red things is hypnotiseing....and makes me go into siezures.
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Dark Messiah
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Flatliner
Edited by: Flatliner on 17/06/2004 07:41:25
Eve is eating up a horrible amount of memory, which when I close the game or quit it ends up in resetting my computer, not a good thing at all.
Flatliner.
Yeah thats one of the things i want fixed bad.... as for the patch i have been shooting down npc frigates in my tempest fitted with 1200's and a tracking computer 2 (med) with no problem, a bit slower than normal yes but hey.... just warp in 60km away to make sure.
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HorrorShow
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: HorrorShow on 17/06/2004 08:17:11
This is what happends with big games.
If the gamemasters change something, they cant make everyone happy. Its usual for the best of the game.
But i gotta admin EVE has been the game with the biggest changes of them all between the patches. Its something that should be tweaked abit, and abit.
My only suggestion, if that means any, and i know everyone has something different to say is that dont change values and other changes so much at the time, take it step wise.
By the way i know what im talking about, since i run a webgame with over 18.000 players.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 17/06/2004 08:21:17
Change and adapt. Why are ppl always whinging... Just because you suddenly cant fight or make ISK like you used to .. EVE like life is a constantly evolving thing. And what keeps me coming back a year after starting to play is the fact that things do change, Get used to it...
Ive also trained interceptor I'll learn the new rules (and remember than fine tuning always happens after a patch) and adapt.. simple
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:24:00 -
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People are whining because once skill trees become highly specialized (like CCP says they will), uber nerfing everything in turn isn't going to cut it anymore. We've been adapting to these nerfs for 14 months now, skill training is reaching a point now where people are starting to specialize in one or two things, and nerfs like the one that came in with this patch are throwing months of training down the toilet.
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:40:00 -
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Let's face it guys, CCP are gonna get visited by Jean-Claude Van Damme in his Timecop persona any day now. CCP are altering the past with nearly every patch
I'm surprised that changes this big are still being made over a year after launch.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.06.17 09:25:00 -
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I'm enjoying my 450 sig radius on my MWD...not
Utterly pointless change, its hard enough for a turret ceptor as it is, now its even harder :/
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.06.17 09:46:00 -
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this is why the apoc is the best spawn hunting machine of glory... all those slots all those Size classed weaponary.
but look on the bright side you cant get ganked in a BS by a swarm of kestrels now.
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:38:00 -
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Get in a Tempest with 1400's and get another PLAYER (not dumb npc) to move to your optimal range and then both of you start orbitting each other at speed.
Start firing and then tell me that the current situation is ok.
Why is hardly anyone seeing that tracking is FUBAR atm ? BS vs BS combat should be as before patch, not this ridiculous miss fest it is atm
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Sara Parker
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:42:00 -
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All this whining reminds me terribly of school kids quabling in a playground.
"It's not fair! I'm not going to play anymore!"
"BooHoo! They nerfed my battleship! I can't win now so what's the point!"
FFS - grow up, act your ages, and get on with it. If you want to leave, then just bloody well do it without making a big -to-do about it first!? Do you think any of us really give a damn about your pathetic childish whines?
*shakes head and sighs* Ugh, Men!
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Luther
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:44:00 -
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Sara Parker, stop acting like a child and grow up
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Krusty TheClone
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:49:00 -
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When you make changes this drastic a year after release (this aint ******* beta anymore) and effectively kick peoples skill training in the nuts they get kinda uptight.
Its turning into a total Carebear game and all the people complaining are experience players who have probably podded your sorry ass Sarah and all the ones stating they love the patch are Veldspar hugging carebear noobs who cant look past their greedy little pigeon hole. Its so obvious by seeing comments like 'look at the pirates whine' or 'look at the BS pilots whine'. **** OFF , and realise the people stating tracking is whacked know more about every aspect of this game than you
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Luther
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:53:00 -
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Here Here Krusty! Well said.
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Sara Parker
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Luther
Sara Parker, stop acting like a child and grow up
I do beleive that was the point I was trying to make...
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