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Traz Wezeltand
Amarr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces
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Posted - 2008.09.19 13:10:00 -
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Well, did a test. Bought a time card, put it up for 500M ISP, got a buyer who accepted my secure order. All within 10 minutes. Which says to me that 500M is more a minimum you should be able to get currently. No alts, no false offers, prices are really this high at the moment.
Now what to do with all that ISP
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.19 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 13:13:33
Originally by: Tasuk
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value
depends on what country you live in, remember that not everyone among your fellow EVE players is from USA or some other well-to-do place
I don't live in the USA (average wages here are roughly 550-600 euros). It's still peanuts - going out for one night and getting hammered properly still costs more then a EvE subscription - and I happen to pay 15 euros for it.
Originally by: Tasuk
Originally by: Cpt Branko And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then
You're telling me that if you had the ISK and opportunities to get yourself top pvper characters of each race and each specialization and top industrial characters that this would not be fun for you?
It's in no way required to pay EvE. Saying that you need 6 accounts to have fun is saying you fail. Sure, it gives you more options, but if you want 6 accounts, you're not supposed to get them for free. Cry more?
Saying logging in with one character all the time is not fun is just laughable.
Want 6 chars to powergame? Get a freaking job. Spending too high a percentage of your earnings on a online game? Get help.
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.09.19 13:17:00 -
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Just another form of the PvP we all know and love, I suppose...
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JSquared
Quantum Warfare Research and Development
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Posted - 2008.09.19 14:19:00 -
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I don't think it's as complicated as most people are making it out to be.
Supply & Demand combinded with "power of 2" makes perfect sence to me.
Give it 4 months and all of those people building "power of 2" alts will be giving more to the supply then taking from the demand.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.09.19 14:23:00 -
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Inflation in real world = inflation in EVE
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.19 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hyveres Heck atm 1 gtc card is roughly 2 hours of work in or less in any scandinavian country.
Don't give them any ideasà Next, we'll be seeing combo-whine threads: "Omgz, nerf high-sec GTC trading ù 250mil/h with no risk!"
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Mr McMuppet
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Posted - 2008.09.19 15:32:00 -
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GTC trading forum is <--- That way
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia
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Posted - 2008.09.19 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value
And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then
$15 almost buys half a handle...hopefully you can get drunk on that?
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.19 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hieronimus Rex
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value
And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then
$15 almost buys half a handle...hopefully you can get drunk on that?
Hmms $15 translated to beers is 3 cans at a store , or 2 beers at a really cheap bar but then I dont live where alcohol is priced reasonably :(
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.09.19 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: simon perry have your say why you think this is happening... is the credit crunch affecting eve too :P
Credit Crunch? Is it like certain gas stations where you get charged extra for using credit?
Bottom line, use a credit card or somethin. It's not even that much. Isn't a 6 month sub like just under $75? If they are too much don't buy em. Simple equation. If it wasn't for the fact that you could buy time cards using in game currency I would say get rid of em. But then again seeing how expensive they are lets just do away with them anyways if that's the problem.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job.
Not for European players. GTCs are now ú19 for me. Maybe your country should get a stronger currency. ----------------------------
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Traz Wezeltand Well, did a test. Bought a time card, put it up for 500M ISP, got a buyer who accepted my secure order. All within 10 minutes. Which says to me that 500M is more a minimum you should be able to get currently. No alts, no false offers, prices are really this high at the moment.
Now what to do with all that ISP
I also did a test, went to the forums, posted a topic saying I'd pay 450 for a 60 day, and had to close the post less then FIVE minutes later because I'd found another seller
GTC prices are where they are not because of any sort of supply/demand crap, but because there are people going out of their way to force the price of a GTC up. If you post offering 450, you WILL get one, so don't buy into this "GTCs are 650nao!" crap. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Takon Orlani
Caldari Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2008.09.19 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Troll you talk about the weak dollar, and the strong euro, how about the STRONG ISK?!??!?!
this is a good sign for eve's economy, it will increase imports and trade.
Youve got it wrong. Thats inflation, when the same product costs more.
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raidnkill
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:24:00 -
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Blame the Farmers! they keep ruining the value of isk !
We need to hunt down them Isk farmers around Eve!
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Tasuk
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Posted - 2008.09.20 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Tasuk on 20/09/2008 06:35:36
Originally by: Kyle Klanen Tbqfh people with 6 accounts shouldn't really be worrying about GTC prices because they have a problem and they should be seeking help.
Yeah owning multiple MMO game accounts because it is fun and you can afford it is a real big issue So where did you get your PhD in psychology and who licensed you to practice on these forums again?
Originally by: Cpt Branko I don't live in the USA (average wages here are roughly 550-600 euros). It's still peanuts - going out for one night and getting hammered properly still costs more then a EvE subscription - and I happen to pay 15 euros for it.
Like i explained i am studying now so not only do i often not have time to get "hammered properly" but also i prefer to use my real money for real life things. When I play to make ISK my virtual currency income if it can be translated back into GTCs is about $30-35 per hour. Being a student I cannot earn this much per hour in real life even if I quit my program and go get a job like some of you have been suggesting (btw: tsk, tsk advising people to quit school to get a job). So you see it makes no sense for me to pay with real money for the game when I am making more in virtual currency.
Originally by: Cpt Branko It's in no way required to pay EvE. Saying that you need 6 accounts to have fun is saying you fail. Sure, it gives you more options, but if you want 6 accounts, you're not supposed to get them for free. Cry more?
Saying logging in with one character all the time is not fun is just laughable.
Want 6 chars to powergame? Get a freaking job. Spending too high a percentage of your earnings on a online game? Get help.
Jealousy and irrational hate is strong with this one. Your jealousy tears are starting to taste better than the carebear ones. Pls post more drivel about it! Here I will help you by saying that i actually got way more than six lol.
Obviously I do not play all accounts at the same time. I do not have time to. I activate whichever ones I want. The rest are training skills and most of them are in NPC corps. So how is this powergaming beats me. Because right now i barely manage to play 5 hours a week. Spend another 5-7 hours or so on forums - so 10-12 hours total of play time a week. Something tells me that you play much, much more than this.
I did not say playing with one account isn't fun - i said it isn't fun for ME. Learn2read plz.
And thus finally Cpt Branko has proven himself to be one of them dim-witted close-minded ******s that the game is so full of already. You should go get yourself a PhD in MMO game forum psychology alongside with Kyle. We need more of you forum shrinks on here.
Originally by: Cpt Branko Thinking you're entitled to get stuff you want for free (just because you 'need' it to get your fix) is silly. Hey, I enjoy expensive wines. Should I go whine because they're expensive? Hmmm.... no?
Show me where I said I was entitled pls or stfu. I see that cheapening ISK is a real big problem for the game, unless of course you want more people to fund their playstyle out of their pockets, so I posted about it. Next time you yourself post out of concern for any EVE issue may you be blessed with a troll like yourself rushing to forums to tell you to "quit yer whining!" and offer you some expensive cheese.
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Tasuk
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Posted - 2008.09.20 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara You didn't comprehend my post; it's not a right to buy via GTC because you need to have the ISK to do this - you have no "right" to any amount of isk - so... therefore no "right" to play for free.
You don't have the right to do anything in EVE. You're not entitled to it. So next time you are thinking about posting about any ingame issue, don't do it because let me remind you: you have no right. See the absurdity of whatever twisted argument you are trying to make here? Geez and i thought people got high mostly on weekends ...
Originally by: Ralara As for personal time and all that cobblers; I'm not getting into a pseudo debate with you.
It will becomes very simple and clear to you the moment you will understand that the only real currency you have in this life is your time, not money. With EVE you can either pay for it with your time directly of you can convert your time first into euros or dollars and pay with those. What boggles my mind is that those people who first convert their time to money and then use this money to pay for EVE then come to the game forums to chest-beat about it, call all others parasites, and post various personal attacks, degrading the game forums in the same while.
Originally by: Ralara you can't complain about the prices being high - you can whinge about it, sure, but you can't complain
In the thread that I actually posted I was not whining about GTC prices being too high. Go re-read it again. I was saying that ISK is becoming too cheap and this is not good for the game. A lot of ISK buyers have been violently disagreeing with this of course, just looking at all the hate these threads generated.
Originally by: Ralara You can't complain to CCP because they don't set the prices and never will.
CCP does indirectly affect prices of game time codes. First they set prices on them in real life currency which translates right into ISK prices on them. Second they are in charge of regulating the competing market of buying ISK - ISK farming and RMT.
Originally by: Ralara As for me selling GTC; I have a few strange morals regarding this game but I will never, ever use RL money to make ISK in game - it's game breaking and unfair to others. It breaks the economy and gives an advantage to those IRL who can afford it.
What about spending more hours online week than another player can spend online? Does the player get cheated by you if you can play 30 hours a week while he can play only 10?
Originally by: Ralara I sincerely hope that the prices increase to stupid levels - hitting over a billion for a GTC or something. I'm going to laugh, then, when that happens; people will end up spending all their play time just to afford a GTC so they can play... to make isk to allow them to play. It'll spiral upwards and there'll be tears and people will quit. And the game will be better off for it.
lol a bil for GTC will never happen so you may stop savoring the moment now when thousands of players will be closing their accounts and some will be leaving the game. There is too much hate and stupidity in you if you think this will be a good thing for EVE.
Originally by: Ralara EDIT: You're never going to agree with me, of couse, I realise that. You are one of the parasites of which I speak, so you can retort all ya like - you are what you are.
A Spy's main, huh, go chest-beat some more about your ability to pay $15 monthly - it's a big achievement indeed
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.20 08:44:00 -
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playing for free isn't quite right, but if you were planing on playing lots of eve anyways trading part of that time for continued ability to play eve makes it damn near close to free.
and I am tempted to put a gtc up for 1bil, see how long it takes to move, or even if it moves. then again I can't really see myself spending the $38 to get a gtc in the first place.
just got a job and being a cheap ass
then again wtf do I really need isk for at the moment
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.09.20 09:55:00 -
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Rhe credit crunch is made up bs Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!! |
Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.09.20 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuk
Originally by: Ralara You didn't comprehend my post; it's not a right to buy via GTC because you need to have the ISK to do this - you have no "right" to any amount of isk - so... therefore no "right" to play for free.
You don't have the right to do anything in EVE. You're not entitled to it. So next time you are thinking about posting about any ingame issue, don't do it because let me remind you: you have no right. See the absurdity of whatever twisted argument you are trying to make here? Geez and i thought people got high mostly on weekends ...
Originally by: Ralara As for personal time and all that cobblers; I'm not getting into a pseudo debate with you.
It will becomes very simple and clear to you the moment you will understand that the only real currency you have in this life is your time, not money. With EVE you can either pay for it with your time directly of you can convert your time first into euros or dollars and pay with those. What boggles my mind is that those people who first convert their time to money and then use this money to pay for EVE then come to the game forums to chest-beat about it, call all others parasites, and post various personal attacks, degrading the game forums in the same while.
Originally by: Ralara you can't complain about the prices being high - you can whinge about it, sure, but you can't complain
In the thread that I actually posted I was not whining about GTC prices being too high. Go re-read it again. I was saying that ISK is becoming too cheap and this is not good for the game. A lot of ISK buyers have been violently disagreeing with this of course, just looking at all the hate these threads generated.
Originally by: Ralara You can't complain to CCP because they don't set the prices and never will.
CCP does indirectly affect prices of game time codes. First they set prices on them in real life currency which translates right into ISK prices on them. Second they are in charge of regulating the competing market of buying ISK - ISK farming and RMT.
Originally by: Ralara As for me selling GTC; I have a few strange morals regarding this game but I will never, ever use RL money to make ISK in game - it's game breaking and unfair to others. It breaks the economy and gives an advantage to those IRL who can afford it.
What about spending more hours online week than another player can spend online? Does the player get cheated by you if you can play 30 hours a week while he can play only 10?
Originally by: Ralara I sincerely hope that the prices increase to stupid levels - hitting over a billion for a GTC or something. I'm going to laugh, then, when that happens; people will end up spending all their play time just to afford a GTC so they can play... to make isk to allow them to play. It'll spiral upwards and there'll be tears and people will quit. And the game will be better off for it.
lol a bil for GTC will never happen so you may stop savoring the moment now when thousands of players will be closing their accounts and some will be leaving the game. There is too much hate and stupidity in you if you think this will be a good thing for EVE.
Originally by: Ralara EDIT: You're never going to agree with me, of couse, I realise that. You are one of the parasites of which I speak, so you can retort all ya like - you are what you are.
A Spy's main, huh, go chest-beat some more about your ability to pay $15 monthly - it's a big achievement indeed
Regardless of whether your a student or not ú15 a month is peanuts. Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!! |
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.20 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl whiend about ganking now you got effect of it. no isk sinks hyper gtc prices. And you wil lsee too decrtese in ships/modules prices too.
Because you think high-sec ganking was a signifiant isk sink? ------------------------------------------
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.20 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl whiend about ganking now you got effect of it. no isk sinks hyper gtc prices. And you wil lsee too decrtese in ships/modules prices too.
Because you think high-sec ganking was a signifiant isk sink?
Assuming for a second that the rumors of ships being ganked left, right and centre are true… With all those ships being destroyed and all the ensuing insurance payouts, high-sec ganking would be huge ISK faucet… if the rumors were indeed true.
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Gluecksbaerchichen
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Posted - 2008.09.20 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuk
Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know.
You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil?
And then you realized you're living in disneyland....
When was the last time your car-dealer did the same?
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.20 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gluecksbaerchichen
Originally by: Tasuk
Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know.
You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil?
And then you realized you're living in disneyland....
When was the last time your car-dealer did the same?
The guy accusing the other of cheating his friend is in the dark. There are people that will sell to their friends for less then whats being offered on the market. Sometimes only to friends,to corp mates or allliance wide, its all up to the seller. Alliance mates know their current situation so they wouldn't want to choke the other to death by charging huge amounts but enough isk to warrant the trade.
when you know people, its different.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.09.20 12:52:00 -
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650 is a decent price is uf ask me www.garia.net |
Drakolus
Amarr Dopehead Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.09.20 13:47:00 -
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Title needz moar ! btw.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.20 14:50:00 -
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Look on the bright side.
650 mil for a GTC will force this alt out of the game.
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Tasuk
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Posted - 2008.09.20 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Hawkings Regardless of whether your a student or not ú15 a month is peanuts.
You are forgetting that this is PER account. I also prefer to spend real life money on real life things, but that's just me I guess. When I was trading GTCs back in the day there were people perfectly content to spend 500-1000 monthly on virtual spaceships.
Originally by: Gluecksbaerchichen
Originally by: Tasuk
Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know.
You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil?
And then you realized you're living in disneyland.... When was the last time your car-dealer did the same?
The key difference is that the car dealer does not delude himself about what he's doing and does not brag about it to other people
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Anonymous Troll
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Posted - 2008.09.21 16:39:00 -
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I imagine it is because less and less people are willing to spend real life money on this garbage of a game and are only willing to play for free with ISK.
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.09.21 16:51:00 -
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You guys do realize you have two months to find a good deal right? You don't have to wait until the last couple of hours of account time and snatch one up at without thinking about it. If you don't want to pay 650m.. don't.
If the people selling at extreme prices are made to wait while the buyers wait on a better deal, or fail to sell their codes altogether, they will drop their prices. If idiots continue to pay the currently high prices they will continue to list them at that price and others will follow the trend.
Everything is worth what it's purchaser will pay for it. If an impatient majority drive up prices they are in no place to blame the sellers.
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Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.09.21 16:54:00 -
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As a side note, it appears that gtc prices are on the fall. Dare I say it was just normal market fluctuations???
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