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simon perry	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:12:00 - [1] have your say why you think this is happening... is the credit crunch affecting eve too :P
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:19:00 - [2] Who cares? I still have a whopping $15 of disposable income per month. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:27:00 - [3] Still see a decent number at or around 500, not surprising though, its all supply and demand. Wait a month or two and it should go back down, its if it hits a billion then something is very wrong. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Azrael Zekk	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:28:00 - [4] Well as the credit crunch is limiting peoples spending atm that means that there are gonna be a lot less GTC sellers meaning demand will increase and so will prices. Prices have been steadily increasing the last few months from under 400m and with the current news with AIG, Lehman, HBOS etc its no surprise people are trying to get as much ISK as they can while they are still selling GTCs as the amount of GTCs for sale will be declining as more and more people save their money instead of spending it on internet spaceships
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:29:00 - [5] Originally by: simon perry have your say why you think this is happening... is the credit crunch affecting eve too :P I dunno maybe cause people are willing to pay that much.
David Marteen Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:30:00 - [6] Edited by: David Marteen on 18/09/2008 22:32:03 Originally by: simon perry have your say why you think this is happening... is the credit crunch affecting eve too :P I do agree with you the weak dollar is making GTC more expensive. I'm in the market to buy a GTC buy I don't think I can afford it atm The people that are selling them lower than that must not watch the news, sadly they will soon feel the crunch.
Venko Trenulo Wakizashi Renaissance	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:31:00 - [7] The glib answer is that the GTC price is dictated by supply and demand. That is, there are more people who have more ISK than RL money than there were earlier, or there are fewer people who want to buy ISK for RL money than earlier, or both. This could be a result of the downturn in the RL world economy, making it more difficult for people to pay for their accounts with credit cards; or it could be a reflection that more people have discovered how to turn on the ISK taps within EVE; ... or both. If CCP wanted more people to be able to buy GTCs more comfortably, they could drop the purchase price to a number corresponding to the actual subscription price for a two-month period. If I have the numbers right, that would drop the GTC purchase price from $35 to $30. Just how much that would change the ISK price, only God and Dr Eyjog know.
Mrs Lovet Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:31:00 - [8] Lots of people are going to be stopping selling time cards with the current economic climate and when they do then id predict the price to go a lot higher than now due to an excess demand and not much supply.
Alt Troll Minmatar SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:31:00 - [9] you talk about the weak dollar, and the strong euro, how about the STRONG ISK?!??!?! this is a good sign for eve's economy, it will increase imports and trade. ____________ FEED me! You know you want to -all posts made on this character represent the views of my main's corp, alliance, as well as the views of everyone else in EVE and in the universe.-
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:34:00 - [10] Edited by: Artemis Rose on 18/09/2008 22:34:58 The amount of whining about a player price controlled commodity is pretty crazy. If people are willing to pay 650 million ++ the price of GTC will only rise. EDIT: Missed a few words *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:35:00 - [11] If you want cheaper GTCs, sell 'em cheaper. Simple eh? No! 'cause heaven or valhalla forbid, you would do something to fix things yourself My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:03:00 - [12] It is easier for people to make ISK as most of the players playing right now are not new, they are old and it is easier than ever to rake in billions of ISK per day.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:05:00 - [13] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Who cares? I still have a whopping $15 of disposable income per month. Here here! :) GTC is just a wast in my opinion, I can easily spare 15$ for such a great game.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:33:00 - [14] I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:33:00 - [15] Originally by: simon perry have your say why you think this is happening... is the credit crunch affecting eve too :P Might be ... Lots of US players feeling it or at least getting scared and selling ingame assets (characters etc.), then trying to pay using GTCs instead of real money. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Kephael Caldari LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:44:00 - [16] I bought one September 1st for 400mil, those two months started on the 16th, glad I bought when I did.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:46:00 - [17] Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job.
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Alt Troll you talk about the weak dollar, and the strong euro, how about the STRONG ISK?!??!?! this is a good sign for eve's economy, it will increase imports and trade. Cheaper ISK means more EVE players will be able to afford it and whoever already buys it will be inclined to buy greater quantities. I am not sure that turning PVP in this game into credit card jousting activity will be such a good thing for the game.
Sidrat Flush Caldari Diversity 101	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:59:00 - [19] I've heard about the rising prices too and took a look. Those being advertised at 600M seems like a scam to me. In that there is no GTC, and fewer people would actually spend that on 60 days. I looked at my selling history and the 30day GTC's that I used to sell went from 140-190M If you're selling 60day's for anything over 400M it's a bonus. Should I have the cash funds to purchase four or five of em (they're about 20 UK sterling each) then yeah 400-450 depending on current activity, Hell I'd advertise them at 500M just to see if they sold at that price. If they didn't then it's still 1.6B ISK for 80 UK Sterling, in a legal, safe and sanctioned method. Otherwise it's a lot of Veldspar to mine :p Having taken a look at the GTC selling history I just want to ask the question....Where did it all go??? I'm not a prolific GTC seller by any means, and it wasn't done every month or anything like as regular, but still, I suppose implants (now lost), ships and learning skills do add up over time. Oh well - as I see it, the GTC traders are providing a service, use it or not it's up to you. What would be better is if they could be in-game contracted somehow, instead of a forum method. Everyone would know the current price and if anything the prices would come down. Heck make it non-instant activating and that's a tradeable resource as good as gold. (or veldspar). Life is about memories the more the better. http://lifeisexperience.freeforums.org (because it's a small corp)
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.18 23:59:00 - [20] Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know. You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil?
Xtreem Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:00:00 - [21] although for people with a good income still, if they wanted to get in GTC sales now is a good time lol, if i did not have the money i do ingame already i know i would!
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Sidrat Flush Hell I'd advertise them at 500M just to see if they sold at that price. If they didn't then it's still 1.6B ISK for 80 UK Sterling, in a legal, safe and sanctioned method. They get sold in minutes if you price them at 500 mil.
Nitakko Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job. QFT Originally by: CCP Mitnal So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon.
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Artemis Rose Edited by: Artemis Rose on 18/09/2008 22:34:58 The amount of whining about a player price controlled commodity is pretty crazy. If people are willing to pay 650 million ++ the price of GTC will only rise. EDIT: Missed a few words It is called discussion. It is what these boards are for. Now stop whining that we are using these forums exactly for what they were designed to be used for
Sidrat Flush Caldari Diversity 101	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:11:00 - [25] oh really. Shame actually, not that I need ISK - no real shiny stuff I want to own right now - but by the time I'm able to purchase a group of GTC's the price would probably have fallen. And yes GTC prices DO fall. March 07 - 140M for 30days April 07 - 150M ditto well alright the price I got went up to 190M and settled around 175M in the month of Feb 08. That's the last time I sold a GTC. So I was wrong. Totally wrong. The prices of GTC's do vary, but they go up. When a person less than seven months could buy 60days worth of gaming for 350M isk they're now paying more like 400,500M+ The current conversion rate I used from US Dollars to UK Sterling means means the price has gone up a bit, still ú10 a month though with exchange rate applied. I only wish I could pay for my account in UK Sterling rather than in Euro's as it's more expensive. ú13.40 this month. compared to ú9 buying a code for myself. Of course if CCP priced it for UK Sterling Customers it would be ú15 anyway.. Gonna stop writing now, although I think it's too late already. Life is about memories the more the better. http://lifeisexperience.freeforums.org (because it's a small corp)
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job. a lot of people who fund EVE with game time codes are students and they work hardcore, only they use their money on things more important than EVE like, you know, student tuition and fees, books rent, food, transportation, etc. ... i have a choice of spending $15 on a game with virtual spaceships or spending that money on buying some extra food each month definitely I go with food also it is $15 PER account that you own and some people have 6+ accounts meaning they'd have to pay $100+ monthly for this game why would you own so many accounts? well it is a great game and have you noticed how raising a decent character takes 2+ years of time? yeah ...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know. You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil? no that's jsut the demand within the circle, we don't care about the buy forums were not trying to starve each other to death.
ChickenOfDoom	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job. a lot of people who fund EVE with game time codes are students and they work hardcore, only they use their money on things more important than EVE like, you know, student tuition and fees, books rent, food, transportation, etc. ... i have a choice of spending $15 on a game with virtual spaceships or spending that money on buying some extra food each month definitely I go with food also it is $15 PER account that you own and some people have 6+ accounts meaning they'd have to pay $100+ monthly for this game why would you own so many accounts? well it is a great game and have you noticed how raising a decent character takes 2+ years of time? yeah ... qft
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:20:00 - [29] The price will be that which the market can sustain. If prices for GTCs are rising it is a good indication that ISK is becomming more easily available. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Siberys Gallente Nebula Sharks	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job. QF fraking T
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Siberys Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job. QF fraking T Go kill yourself. It might free up a job for someone less fortunate than you. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Panzerkom Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.09.19 00:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job. And about $12 per month if one gets a 6-month sub.
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 01:17:00 - [34] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know. You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil? no that's jsut the demand within the circle, we don't care about the buy forums were not trying to starve each other to death. you still haven't answered my question - did you show the guy the WTB posts for 500 million ISK prior to buying form him? because you know he might not have known the real going price and using his lack of knowledge to screw him out of 100 mil is just so low ...
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 01:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value depends on what country you live in, remember that not everyone among your fellow EVE players is from USA or some other well-to-do place Originally by: Cpt Branko And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then You're telling me that if you had the ISK and opportunities to get yourself top pvper characters of each race and each specialization and top industrial characters that this would not be fun for you? Not fun is logging into EVE and playing with the same old character for years, i mean, if you had the opportunities why would you limit yourself like that? It is like flying a Taranis into every single pvp encounter and stating that owning more ships is just
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 01:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Avon The price will be that which the market can sustain. If prices for GTCs are rising it is a good indication that ISK is becomming more easily available. No, rising GTC prices can also indicate that there is lack in supply so only the very rich are capable of buying them. This would not mean that ISK comes more easily to regular joe shmoe now.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.09.19 01:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Tasuk No, rising GTC prices can also indicate that there is lack in supply so only the very rich are capable of buying them. This would not mean that ISK comes more easily to regular joe shmoe now. Could also be a demand spike caused by any number of factors. More isk farmers can cause GTC prices to rise, as can more regular players resubscribing now that summer's over and they're staying in-doors more. Remember that we're just coming out of the annual summer lull. Pillowsoft - Join the Pillowsoft Gallente Militia, get free ships and support.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.09.19 02:03:00 - [38] Linkage
v1nipper Caldari EtE Clan	Posted - 2008.09.19 02:11:00 - [39] shocking price lol [url=http://smash-alliance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=41517] [/url]
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.09.19 02:21:00 - [40] Confirming that current Whine of the Week is: GTC Prices. Which is fine, I think we're all worn out after "Highsec Risk/Reward" and "Proposed Nano Nerf" ---
Algey The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.09.19 07:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Mankirks Wife Confirming that current Whine of the Week is: GTC Prices. Which is fine, I think we're all worn out after "Highsec Risk/Reward" and "Proposed Nano Nerf" Buff hi sec so we can afford GTC's
Evanade Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.19 07:55:00 - [42] Time for CCP to wrap it up for the gtc -> isk trade, this farce has gone on long enough. --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.09.19 07:59:00 - [43] Edited by: Ralara on 19/09/2008 08:01:46 Originally by: Tasuk Edited by: Tasuk on 19/09/2008 01:17:23 Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job. a lot of people who fund EVE with game time codes are students and they work hardcore, only they use their money on things more important than EVE like, you know, student tuition and fees, books rent, food, transportation, etc. ... i have a choice of spending $15 on a game with virtual spaceships or spending that money on buying some extra food each month, I go with food most definitely Fine. So eat. But if you don't have the isk to play Eve for FREE then don't complain about it. Sheesh, you people act like it's some sort of god-given right to be able to play this game for free. It's not a right, it's a privilidge and if you can't afford to pay in game and you can't afford to pay out of game, then here's a clue for you: stop playing. Personally, I really dislike the idea of GTC for isk - CCP may sanction it and it's their game to do with as they please but it imbalances the economy; there's people out there who've spent $6,000 on GTC so they can buy a titan. And then they lost it. and that's funny but... still. The fact that people can do that is just... :( --
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.19 08:03:00 - [44] Quote: You're telling me that if you had the ISK and opportunities to get yourself top pvper characters of each race and each specialization and top industrial characters that this would not be fun for you? So basicly you have everything, you can use everything, you got shitload of isk, and you have no clue what to do with it. Sounds truly fascinating. I am student, i just pay 35 dollars per 2 months. I just play with my single account with 1 character. Sure for exploration i would love having an alt to dual box, but i am not willing to pay more per month and i am not willing to grind half a billion every 2 months to pay for it, so i just keep it on 1 account. And guess what, i am enjoying eve alot...
quickshot89 Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.19 08:03:00 - [45] simple, everyone will only pay up to 500 mil, then the prices will come down
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.09.19 08:08:00 - [46] Edited by: Veldya on 19/09/2008 08:10:32 $15 isn't much for a game when you only play one account but some people run a fair few accounts and it is quite expensive to pay for all of them with cash. It is something for CCP to think about. I know a few people who have started to shelve surplus accounts and consolidate accounts and running fewer accounts. CCP profits equally if someone subscribes or funds their account via GTCs, because they are still the source of the subscription. Even if you utilised RTC the source of the subscription is still CCP. How you get the isk is pretty much irrelevant. The problem with high GTC prices is it will cut down the number of accounts. CCP would rather you buy 3 GTCs for your 1bil of isk than buying 2. High GTC prices will drive up how much isk farming you have to do in order to make it feasible to maintain your surplus accounts and that is going to result in fewer active accounts which hurts CCP's bottom line. High GTC prices means GTCs will be more competitive against RTCs and those who want an isk injection do not have to delve into the real black market, however, that scenario is good for GTC sellers but poor for CCP and RTCs.
Strill	Posted - 2008.09.19 08:19:00 - [47] I just checked and there were several threads with people selling lumps of GTCs for 425k. It looks to me like the prices are going down.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.19 08:21:00 - [48] Originally by: simon perry have your say why you think this is happening... is the credit crunch affecting eve too :P add in an out of control farmer population, and stupid amounts of isk in the eve economy, and I wouldn't be surprised to see gtcs going for 1 billion soon. hell as soon as I saw 60d/400mil I said ** it I'm not buying gtcs for isk anymore. and I can get gtcs for cheaper, 300something mil for a 60, was a fan**ingtastic price for a 90day. heh and shit, I have more money now than in just about any point since starting eve.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.19 09:07:00 - [49] Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value depends on what country you live in, remember that not everyone among your fellow EVE players is from USA or some other well-to-do place Originally by: Cpt Branko And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then You're telling me that if you had the ISK and opportunities to get yourself top pvper characters of each race and each specialization and top industrial characters that this would not be fun for you? Not fun is logging into EVE and playing with the same old character for years, i mean, if you had the opportunities why would you limit yourself like that? It is like flying a Taranis into every single pvp encounter and stating that owning more ships is just Speak for yourself. For me, EvE = Malcanis; Malcanis = EvE. If I were to log in this evenng and find on my account Mal gone and some 60M SP character in his place, that would completely kill the game for me.
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 09:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Ralara Fine. So eat. But if you don't have the isk to play Eve for FREE then don't complain about it. Sheesh, you people act like it's some sort of god-given right to be able to play this game for free. It's not a right, it's a privilidge and if you can't afford to pay in game and you can't afford to pay out of game, then here's a clue for you: stop playing. Go mine up some free minerals about it since your time has no value to you. Mine time to me has value, which is not necessarily an money value. For example the time a student keeps playing he or she can spend studying and getting better grades. That study time is traded for time spent online earning ISK, so better grades are traded for subscription. Why people think that this is inferior form of payment to them spending 9-5 on their boring job and then paying with a credit card is beyond me. I guess they are so focused on their money that this is the only thing that has retained any value in their minds. As for privilege vs right, CCP are not bestowing it as some kind of benevolent gesture upon the playerbase that you are implying this is. They allowed GTC trade for practical reasons and as long as it is allowed it is in my right to buy GTCs with ISK. Now get your credit card, go and sell me some!
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 09:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Furb Killer So basicly you have everything, you can use everything, you got shitload of isk, and you have no clue what to do with it. Sounds truly fascinating. I am student, i just pay 35 dollars per 2 months. I just play with my single account with 1 character. Sure for exploration i would love having an alt to dual box, but i am not willing to pay more per month and i am not willing to grind half a billion every 2 months to pay for it, so i just keep it on 1 account. And guess what, i am enjoying eve alot... What gave you that idea? I always put my ISK to good use: having fun playing the game I love the way I want to play it and at the same time not spending those $35 you have to spend on it. Some people are ok sticking to a single character for 5+ years. I need constant change and have means to get it too. Someone comes to the thread judging me and implying that it is to like variety and my reaction is why not and basically just lolz.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.09.19 09:29:00 - [52] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 19/09/2008 09:29:48 Originally by: Avon The price will be that which the market can sustain. If prices for GTCs are rising it is a good indication that ISK is becomming more easily available. If I were CCP, I would buy some of these GTCs back myself (would cost me nothing) ... 5 Reasons: - It lets me control the lower bound for GTC=>ISK prices - It forces normal players who live off ISK to play more (= decline in logged in users not showing) - It hurts the ISK farmers because they need to spend a bigger part of their ISK on GTCs since prices are going up - I could claim to have sold more GTCs and thus have more accounts than I actually do ... - I'd effectively be selling (my infinite) ISK for real money, which is what I was planning all along but don't want the player base to know How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.19 09:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Malcanis Speak for yourself. For me, EvE = Malcanis; Malcanis = EvE. If I were to log in this evenng and find on my account Mal gone and some 60M SP character in his place, that would completely kill the game for me. I do not associate with my characters to any significant extent. I used to, when I was raising my very first character which was my main. Those times I treated the game way too seriously, since EVE was my first MMO experience and i got addicted to it and played hardcore with my main character which was the only one I owned. I was running a pvp corporation and internet spaceships were very serious business to me. But as my addiction wore off and i got to know the MMO world better and seen all of its imperfections I could no longer treat it seriously, no longer dedicate myself to eve, and of course i stopped associating myself with my character. Eventually I found myself doing more and more role playing rather than playing as myself. I sold my first char and over time accumulated many others all of which I like for one reason or another. It is a different style of playing the same MMO game. Most people have a single character which is their main - but there is a minority of us out there who play EVE differently. As hard as it is for them to understand why variety of characters can be fun, it is equally difficult for me to understand how they can stick to same old character for years and years.
Algey The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.09.19 10:07:00 - [54] Originally by: Strill I just checked and there were several threads with people selling lumps of GTCs for 425k. It looks to me like the prices are going down. Shush you, the world is ending, ending etc.....
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.19 10:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: Malcanis Speak for yourself. For me, EvE = Malcanis; Malcanis = EvE. If I were to log in this evenng and find on my account Mal gone and some 60M SP character in his place, that would completely kill the game for me. I do not associate with my characters to any significant extent. I used to, when I was raising my very first character which was my main. Those times I treated the game way too seriously, since EVE was my first MMO experience and i got addicted to it and played hardcore with my main character which was the only one I owned. I was running a pvp corporation and internet spaceships were very serious business to me. But as my addiction wore off and i got to know the MMO world better and seen all of its imperfections I could no longer treat it seriously, no longer dedicate myself to eve, and of course i stopped associating myself with my character. Eventually I found myself doing more and more role playing rather than playing as myself. I sold my first char and over time accumulated many others all of which I like for one reason or another. It is a different style of playing the same MMO game. Most people have a single character which is their main - but there is a minority of us out there who play EVE differently. As hard as it is for them to understand why variety of characters can be fun, it is equally difficult for me to understand how they can stick to same old character for years and years. I guess the satisfaction of developing my skills, assets & for want of a better word, my history. if you've evolved past that phase of play then, well, I dunno... I'd almost certainly just stop playing, while you found a way to maintain your interest. I'm not judging you or anything. Good for you, I guess. Side note: For similar reasons, I don't alt-post on the forum. It's not so much that I think it's 'wrong', I just think it's a waste of time. Why would I spend time making a post and not get the credit for it. That's like turning up at work and not getting paid. Incidentally, for all the inverse love I get on these forums, I have never once (at least to my knowledge) suffered in game from any post I've made. I think people who use thaat excuse are pretty much admitting that they're worthless trolls who deserve to suffer in-game for what they post.
Opertone Caldari SIEGE. The Border Patrol	Posted - 2008.09.19 10:11:00 - [56] ISK is worthless in fact, more people learnt to make isk, fewer people need start up cash, it's logical and quite alright to me.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:06:00 - [57] Edited by: Ralara on 19/09/2008 12:14:17 Edited by: Ralara on 19/09/2008 12:11:43 Originally by: Tasuk Go mine up some free minerals about it since your time has no value to you. Mine time to me has value, which is not necessarily a monetary value. For example the time a student keeps playing he or she can spend studying and getting better grades. That study time is traded for time spent online earning ISK, so better grades are traded for subscription. Why people think that this is inferior form of payment to them spending 9-5 on their boring job and then paying with a credit card is beyond me. I guess they are so focused on their money that this is the only thing that has retained any value in their minds. As for privilege vs right, CCP are not bestowing it as some kind of benevolent gesture upon the playerbase that you are implying this is. They allowed GTC trade for practical reasons and as long as it is allowed it is in my right to buy GTCs with ISK. Now get your credit card, go and sell me some! You didn't comprehend my post; it's not a right to buy via GTC because you need to have the ISK to do this - you have no "right" to any amount of isk - so... therefore no "right" to play for free. As for personal time and all that cobblers; I'm not getting into a pseudo debate with you. The fact of the matter is, if you are unwilling or unable to pay for Eve with real-life cash (i.e. you're buying GTC with ISK) then that's up to you; but since the price is set only by players and not CCP, you can't complain about the prices being high - you can whinge about it, sure, but you can't complain - to complain means to make a complaint but you have no one to make the complaint to. If you complain to the GTC sellers they're just going to laugh at you and sell to someone who will pay 650m isk or whatever daft price people are willing to pay. You can't complain to CCP because they don't set the prices and never will. As for me selling GTC; I have a few strange morals regarding this game but I will never, ever use RL money to make ISK in game - it's game breaking and unfair to others. It breaks the economy and gives an advantage to those IRL who can afford it. I sincerely hope that the prices increase to stupid levels - hitting over a billion for a GTC or something. I'm going to laugh, then, when that happens; people will end up spending all their play time just to afford a GTC so they can play... to make isk to allow them to play. It'll spiral upwards and there'll be tears and people will quit. And the game will be better off for it. EDIT: You're never going to agree with me, of couse, I realise that. You are one of the parasites of which I speak, so you can retort all ya like - you are what you are. --
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 19/09/2008 12:14:17 Edited by: Ralara on 19/09/2008 12:11:43 Originally by: Tasuk Go mine up some free minerals about it since your time has no value to you. Mine time to me has value, which is not necessarily a monetary value. For example the time a student keeps playing he or she can spend studying and getting better grades. That study time is traded for time spent online earning ISK, so better grades are traded for subscription. Why people think that this is inferior form of payment to them spending 9-5 on their boring job and then paying with a credit card is beyond me. I guess they are so focused on their money that this is the only thing that has retained any value in their minds. As for privilege vs right, CCP are not bestowing it as some kind of benevolent gesture upon the playerbase that you are implying this is. They allowed GTC trade for practical reasons and as long as it is allowed it is in my right to buy GTCs with ISK. Now get your credit card, go and sell me some! You didn't comprehend my post; it's not a right to buy via GTC because you need to have the ISK to do this - you have no "right" to any amount of isk - so... therefore no "right" to play for free. As for personal time and all that cobblers; I'm not getting into a pseudo debate with you. The fact of the matter is, if you are unwilling or unable to pay for Eve with real-life cash (i.e. you're buying GTC with ISK) then that's up to you; but since the price is set only by players and not CCP, you can't complain about the prices being high - you can whinge about it, sure, but you can't complain - to complain means to make a complaint but you have no one to make the complaint to. If you complain to the GTC sellers they're just going to laugh at you and sell to someone who will pay 650m isk or whatever daft price people are willing to pay. You can't complain to CCP because they don't set the prices and never will. As for me selling GTC; I have a few strange morals regarding this game but I will never, ever use RL money to make ISK in game - it's game breaking and unfair to others. It breaks the economy and gives an advantage to those IRL who can afford it. I sincerely hope that the prices increase to stupid levels - hitting over a billion for a GTC or something. I'm going to laugh, then, when that happens; people will end up spending all their play time just to afford a GTC so they can play... to make isk to allow them to play. It'll spiral upwards and there'll be tears and people will quit. And the game will be better off for it. EDIT: You're never going to agree with me, of couse, I realise that. You are one of the parasites of which I speak, so you can retort all ya like - you are what you are. .....What you get when you cross a highhorse on stilts standing atop a soapbox. Do i seriously need to post the definition of the word "parasite" in this thread as well??? For a second there i thought it was "A Spy" posting.
Kyle Klanen	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:52:00 - [59] Tbqfh people with 6 accounts shouldn't really be worrying about GTC prices because they have a problem and they should be seeking help.
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:54:00 - [60] whiend about ganking now you got effect of it. no isk sinks hyper gtc prices. And you wil lsee too decrtese in ships/modules prices too.
Traz Wezeltand Amarr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.19 13:10:00 - [61] Well, did a test. Bought a time card, put it up for 500M ISP, got a buyer who accepted my secure order. All within 10 minutes. Which says to me that 500M is more a minimum you should be able to get currently. No alts, no false offers, prices are really this high at the moment. Now what to do with all that ISP
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.19 13:12:00 - [62] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 13:13:33 Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value depends on what country you live in, remember that not everyone among your fellow EVE players is from USA or some other well-to-do place I don't live in the USA (average wages here are roughly 550-600 euros). It's still peanuts - going out for one night and getting hammered properly still costs more then a EvE subscription - and I happen to pay 15 euros for it. Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: Cpt Branko And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then You're telling me that if you had the ISK and opportunities to get yourself top pvper characters of each race and each specialization and top industrial characters that this would not be fun for you? It's in no way required to pay EvE. Saying that you need 6 accounts to have fun is saying you fail. Sure, it gives you more options, but if you want 6 accounts, you're not supposed to get them for free. Cry more? Saying logging in with one character all the time is not fun is just laughable. Want 6 chars to powergame? Get a freaking job. Spending too high a percentage of your earnings on a online game? Get help. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Karii Ildarian Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.09.19 13:17:00 - [63] Just another form of the PvP we all know and love, I suppose...
JSquared Quantum Warfare Research and Development	Posted - 2008.09.19 14:19:00 - [64] I don't think it's as complicated as most people are making it out to be. Supply & Demand combinded with "power of 2" makes perfect sence to me. Give it 4 months and all of those people building "power of 2" alts will be giving more to the supply then taking from the demand. J
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.09.19 14:23:00 - [65] Inflation in real world = inflation in EVE Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Evanade Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.19 14:33:00 - [66] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Hyveres Heck atm 1 gtc card is roughly 2 hours of work in or less in any scandinavian country. Don't give them any ideasà Next, we'll be seeing combo-whine threads: "Omgz, nerf high-sec GTC trading ù 250mil/h with no risk!" i lol'd at work. HARD --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored
Mr McMuppet	Posted - 2008.09.19 15:32:00 - [67] GTC trading forum is <--- That way
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia	Posted - 2008.09.19 16:10:00 - [68] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then $15 almost buys half a handle...hopefully you can get drunk on that?
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.19 16:15:00 - [69] Originally by: Hieronimus Rex Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/09/2008 00:22:11 You can't even get properly drunk for 15$, and EvE does win out a bit on price/entertainment value And if you need 6 accounts to enjoy EvE, then $15 almost buys half a handle...hopefully you can get drunk on that? Hmms $15 translated to beers is 3 cans at a store , or 2 beers at a really cheap bar but then I dont live where alcohol is priced reasonably :( "I dont need facts when I have the truth"
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.09.19 16:23:00 - [70] Originally by: simon perry have your say why you think this is happening... is the credit crunch affecting eve too :P Credit Crunch? Is it like certain gas stations where you get charged extra for using credit? Bottom line, use a credit card or somethin. It's not even that much. Isn't a 6 month sub like just under $75? If they are too much don't buy em. Simple equation. If it wasn't for the fact that you could buy time cards using in game currency I would say get rid of em. But then again seeing how expensive they are lets just do away with them anyways if that's the problem.
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.19 17:34:00 - [71] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Eve costs $15 per month. Get a job. Not for European players. GTCs are now ú19 for me. Maybe your country should get a stronger currency. ----------------------------
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.19 17:49:00 - [72] Originally by: Traz Wezeltand Well, did a test. Bought a time card, put it up for 500M ISP, got a buyer who accepted my secure order. All within 10 minutes. Which says to me that 500M is more a minimum you should be able to get currently. No alts, no false offers, prices are really this high at the moment. Now what to do with all that ISP I also did a test, went to the forums, posted a topic saying I'd pay 450 for a 60 day, and had to close the post less then FIVE minutes later because I'd found another seller GTC prices are where they are not because of any sort of supply/demand crap, but because there are people going out of their way to force the price of a GTC up. If you post offering 450, you WILL get one, so don't buy into this "GTCs are 650nao!" crap. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Takon Orlani Caldari Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2008.09.19 18:19:00 - [73] Originally by: Alt Troll you talk about the weak dollar, and the strong euro, how about the STRONG ISK?!??!?! this is a good sign for eve's economy, it will increase imports and trade. Youve got it wrong. Thats inflation, when the same product costs more.
raidnkill Violent Fury	Posted - 2008.09.19 19:24:00 - [74] Blame the Farmers! they keep ruining the value of isk ! We need to hunt down them Isk farmers around Eve!
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.20 06:34:00 - [75] Edited by: Tasuk on 20/09/2008 06:35:36 Originally by: Kyle Klanen Tbqfh people with 6 accounts shouldn't really be worrying about GTC prices because they have a problem and they should be seeking help. Yeah owning multiple MMO game accounts because it is fun and you can afford it is a real big issue So where did you get your PhD in psychology and who licensed you to practice on these forums again? Originally by: Cpt Branko I don't live in the USA (average wages here are roughly 550-600 euros). It's still peanuts - going out for one night and getting hammered properly still costs more then a EvE subscription - and I happen to pay 15 euros for it. Like i explained i am studying now so not only do i often not have time to get "hammered properly" but also i prefer to use my real money for real life things. When I play to make ISK my virtual currency income if it can be translated back into GTCs is about $30-35 per hour. Being a student I cannot earn this much per hour in real life even if I quit my program and go get a job like some of you have been suggesting (btw: tsk, tsk advising people to quit school to get a job). So you see it makes no sense for me to pay with real money for the game when I am making more in virtual currency. Originally by: Cpt Branko It's in no way required to pay EvE. Saying that you need 6 accounts to have fun is saying you fail. Sure, it gives you more options, but if you want 6 accounts, you're not supposed to get them for free. Cry more? Saying logging in with one character all the time is not fun is just laughable. Want 6 chars to powergame? Get a freaking job. Spending too high a percentage of your earnings on a online game? Get help. Jealousy and irrational hate is strong with this one. Your jealousy tears are starting to taste better than the carebear ones. Pls post more drivel about it! Here I will help you by saying that i actually got way more than six lol. Obviously I do not play all accounts at the same time. I do not have time to. I activate whichever ones I want. The rest are training skills and most of them are in NPC corps. So how is this powergaming beats me. Because right now i barely manage to play 5 hours a week. Spend another 5-7 hours or so on forums - so 10-12 hours total of play time a week. Something tells me that you play much, much more than this. I did not say playing with one account isn't fun - i said it isn't fun for ME. Learn2read plz. And thus finally Cpt Branko has proven himself to be one of them dim-witted close-minded ****s that the game is so full of already. You should go get yourself a PhD in MMO game forum psychology alongside with Kyle. We need more of you forum shrinks on here. Originally by:** Cpt Branko Thinking you're entitled to get stuff you want for free (just because you 'need' it to get your fix) is silly. Hey, I enjoy expensive wines. Should I go whine because they're expensive? Hmmm.... no? Show me where I said I was entitled pls or stfu. I see that cheapening ISK is a real big problem for the game, unless of course you want more people to fund their playstyle out of their pockets, so I posted about it. Next time you yourself post out of concern for any EVE issue may you be blessed with a troll like yourself rushing to forums to tell you to "quit yer whining!" and offer you some expensive cheese.
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.20 07:42:00 - [76] Originally by: Ralara You didn't comprehend my post; it's not a right to buy via GTC because you need to have the ISK to do this - you have no "right" to any amount of isk - so... therefore no "right" to play for free. You don't have the right to do anything in EVE. You're not entitled to it. So next time you are thinking about posting about any ingame issue, don't do it because let me remind you: you have no right. See the absurdity of whatever twisted argument you are trying to make here? Geez and i thought people got high mostly on weekends ... Originally by: Ralara As for personal time and all that cobblers; I'm not getting into a pseudo debate with you. It will becomes very simple and clear to you the moment you will understand that the only real currency you have in this life is your time, not money. With EVE you can either pay for it with your time directly of you can convert your time first into euros or dollars and pay with those. What boggles my mind is that those people who first convert their time to money and then use this money to pay for EVE then come to the game forums to chest-beat about it, call all others parasites, and post various personal attacks, degrading the game forums in the same while. Originally by: Ralara you can't complain about the prices being high - you can whinge about it, sure, but you can't complain In the thread that I actually posted I was not whining about GTC prices being too high. Go re-read it again. I was saying that ISK is becoming too cheap and this is not good for the game. A lot of ISK buyers have been violently disagreeing with this of course, just looking at all the hate these threads generated. Originally by: Ralara You can't complain to CCP because they don't set the prices and never will. CCP does indirectly affect prices of game time codes. First they set prices on them in real life currency which translates right into ISK prices on them. Second they are in charge of regulating the competing market of buying ISK - ISK farming and RMT. Originally by: Ralara As for me selling GTC; I have a few strange morals regarding this game but I will never, ever use RL money to make ISK in game - it's game breaking and unfair to others. It breaks the economy and gives an advantage to those IRL who can afford it. What about spending more hours online week than another player can spend online? Does the player get cheated by you if you can play 30 hours a week while he can play only 10? Originally by: Ralara I sincerely hope that the prices increase to stupid levels - hitting over a billion for a GTC or something. I'm going to laugh, then, when that happens; people will end up spending all their play time just to afford a GTC so they can play... to make isk to allow them to play. It'll spiral upwards and there'll be tears and people will quit. And the game will be better off for it. lol a bil for GTC will never happen so you may stop savoring the moment now when thousands of players will be closing their accounts and some will be leaving the game. There is too much hate and stupidity in you if you think this will be a good thing for EVE. Originally by: Ralara EDIT: You're never going to agree with me, of couse, I realise that. You are one of the parasites of which I speak, so you can retort all ya like - you are what you are. A Spy's main, huh, go chest-beat some more about your ability to pay $15 monthly - it's a big achievement indeed
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.20 08:44:00 - [77] playing for free isn't quite right, but if you were planing on playing lots of eve anyways trading part of that time for continued ability to play eve makes it damn near close to free. and I am tempted to put a gtc up for 1bil, see how long it takes to move, or even if it moves. then again I can't really see myself spending the $38 to get a gtc in the first place. just got a job and being a cheap ass then again wtf do I really need isk for at the moment
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.09.20 09:55:00 - [78] Rhe credit crunch is made up bs Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!!
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.09.20 09:57:00 - [79] Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: Ralara You didn't comprehend my post; it's not a right to buy via GTC because you need to have the ISK to do this - you have no "right" to any amount of isk - so... therefore no "right" to play for free. You don't have the right to do anything in EVE. You're not entitled to it. So next time you are thinking about posting about any ingame issue, don't do it because let me remind you: you have no right. See the absurdity of whatever twisted argument you are trying to make here? Geez and i thought people got high mostly on weekends ... Originally by: Ralara As for personal time and all that cobblers; I'm not getting into a pseudo debate with you. It will becomes very simple and clear to you the moment you will understand that the only real currency you have in this life is your time, not money. With EVE you can either pay for it with your time directly of you can convert your time first into euros or dollars and pay with those. What boggles my mind is that those people who first convert their time to money and then use this money to pay for EVE then come to the game forums to chest-beat about it, call all others parasites, and post various personal attacks, degrading the game forums in the same while. Originally by: Ralara you can't complain about the prices being high - you can whinge about it, sure, but you can't complain In the thread that I actually posted I was not whining about GTC prices being too high. Go re-read it again. I was saying that ISK is becoming too cheap and this is not good for the game. A lot of ISK buyers have been violently disagreeing with this of course, just looking at all the hate these threads generated. Originally by: Ralara You can't complain to CCP because they don't set the prices and never will. CCP does indirectly affect prices of game time codes. First they set prices on them in real life currency which translates right into ISK prices on them. Second they are in charge of regulating the competing market of buying ISK - ISK farming and RMT. Originally by: Ralara As for me selling GTC; I have a few strange morals regarding this game but I will never, ever use RL money to make ISK in game - it's game breaking and unfair to others. It breaks the economy and gives an advantage to those IRL who can afford it. What about spending more hours online week than another player can spend online? Does the player get cheated by you if you can play 30 hours a week while he can play only 10? Originally by: Ralara I sincerely hope that the prices increase to stupid levels - hitting over a billion for a GTC or something. I'm going to laugh, then, when that happens; people will end up spending all their play time just to afford a GTC so they can play... to make isk to allow them to play. It'll spiral upwards and there'll be tears and people will quit. And the game will be better off for it. lol a bil for GTC will never happen so you may stop savoring the moment now when thousands of players will be closing their accounts and some will be leaving the game. There is too much hate and stupidity in you if you think this will be a good thing for EVE. Originally by: Ralara EDIT: You're never going to agree with me, of couse, I realise that. You are one of the parasites of which I speak, so you can retort all ya like - you are what you are. A Spy's main, huh, go chest-beat some more about your ability to pay $15 monthly - it's a big achievement indeed Regardless of whether your a student or not ú15 a month is peanuts. Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!!
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.20 10:31:00 - [80] Originally by: Kalintos Tyl whiend about ganking now you got effect of it. no isk sinks hyper gtc prices. And you wil lsee too decrtese in ships/modules prices too. Because you think high-sec ganking was a signifiant isk sink? ------------------------------------------
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.20 10:46:00 - [81] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Kalintos Tyl whiend about ganking now you got effect of it. no isk sinks hyper gtc prices. And you wil lsee too decrtese in ships/modules prices too. Because you think high-sec ganking was a signifiant isk sink? Assuming for a second that the rumors of ships being ganked left, right and centre are true… With all those ships being destroyed and all the ensuing insurance payouts, high-sec ganking would be huge ISK faucet… if the rumors were indeed true.
Gluecksbaerchichen	Posted - 2008.09.20 10:58:00 - [82] Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know. You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil? And then you realized you're living in disneyland.... When was the last time your car-dealer did the same?
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.09.20 12:24:00 - [83] Originally by: Gluecksbaerchichen Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know. You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil? And then you realized you're living in disneyland.... When was the last time your car-dealer did the same? The guy accusing the other of cheating his friend is in the dark. There are people that will sell to their friends for less then whats being offered on the market. Sometimes only to friends,to corp mates or allliance wide, its all up to the seller. Alliance mates know their current situation so they wouldn't want to choke the other to death by charging huge amounts but enough isk to warrant the trade. when you know people, its different.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.09.20 12:52:00 - [84] 650 is a decent price is uf ask me www.garia.net
Drakolus Amarr Dopehead Industries FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.09.20 13:47:00 - [85] Title needz moar ! btw. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _____________________________________________
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.20 14:50:00 - [86] Look on the bright side. 650 mil for a GTC will force this alt out of the game. .
Tasuk	Posted - 2008.09.20 17:27:00 - [87] Originally by: Steve Hawkings Regardless of whether your a student or not ú15 a month is peanuts. You are forgetting that this is PER account. I also prefer to spend real life money on real life things, but that's just me I guess. When I was trading GTCs back in the day there were people perfectly content to spend 500-1000 monthly on virtual spaceships. Originally by: Gluecksbaerchichen Originally by: Tasuk Originally by: MotherMoon I just paid 400 mil for 2months of time I don't know what the hell your talking about, don't trade on the public forum keep it who you know. You mean you just screwed your friend out of 100 million ISK? Did you show him the WTB posts on forums for 500 mil and explain to him that he can sell it for 100 mil more than selling it to you for 400 mil? And then you realized you're living in disneyland.... When was the last time your car-dealer did the same? The key difference is that the car dealer does not delude himself about what he's doing and does not brag about it to other people
Anonymous Troll	Posted - 2008.09.21 16:39:00 - [88] I imagine it is because less and less people are willing to spend real life money on this garbage of a game and are only willing to play for free with ISK.
Daelin Blackleaf	Posted - 2008.09.21 16:51:00 - [89] You guys do realize you have two months to find a good deal right? You don't have to wait until the last couple of hours of account time and snatch one up at without thinking about it. If you don't want to pay 650m.. don't. If the people selling at extreme prices are made to wait while the buyers wait on a better deal, or fail to sell their codes altogether, they will drop their prices. If idiots continue to pay the currently high prices they will continue to list them at that price and others will follow the trend. Everything is worth what it's purchaser will pay for it. If an impatient majority drive up prices they are in no place to blame the sellers.
Reptzo Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2008.09.21 16:54:00 - [90] As a side note, it appears that gtc prices are on the fall. Dare I say it was just normal market fluctuations???
iloni atoriandra Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.21 16:56:00 - [91] I hope that prices do go up even higher, if the GTC prices were equivalent to the illegal ISK sellers it would force them out of business and EVE would be better off without all the macro chinese farmers. Either that or CCP allow you to purchase ISK from them at the same price as RMT traders, so that they dont generate new money they could only sell money which has been collected by things like sales tax and insurance payments etc.
21 Salvager	Posted - 2008.09.22 11:02:00 - [92] Reply to GTC prices and amount sold: Needs analysis by Dr. EyjoG if you want some real analysis.
Haseda	Posted - 2008.09.22 11:21:00 - [93] Originally by: Reptzo As a side note, it appears that gtc prices are on the fall. Dare I say it was just normal market fluctuations??? No, it's called the weekend. They are up to 500+ mil again.
Haseda	Posted - 2008.09.22 11:25:00 - [94] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf You guys do realize you have two months to find a good deal right? It is just that most people prefer not to spend 2 months looking for one. They get easily bored in 1 hours and just grab the first one that pops up.
Shingly Amarr Steel Soldier's	Posted - 2008.09.22 11:30:00 - [95] I think for 60 day card 500 mill is more than fair. That values 1 USD isk to around 12.5 Mill isk. If you look ISK sellers then thats really cheap. Imagine if GTC sellers would valuate dollar to same amount than those ISK sellers. Then there would be U reason to complain.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.22 11:48:00 - [96] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/09/2008 11:56:35 Originally by: Tasuk Oh, hai, I'm a poor student and CCP should do something to make it easier for me to run N accounts. Why? Not liking to spend real money on gaming is your own problem really. The alternative is grinding ISK for people with more cash then you, but then you really don't get to whine about supply and demand affecting prices. If mantaining N accounts is suddenly unfeasible then you, and you must have them in order to keep EvE fun, why not quit in favour of a hobby more within the boundaries of your wallet? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.09.22 11:48:00 - [97] people alt post making fake GTC transactions to drive prices up. People also alt post talking about 650mil prices just to throw the idea out there and move the overton window in their direction.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.22 14:26:00 - [98] Originally by: Sheriff Jones If you want cheaper GTCs, sell 'em cheaper. Simple eh? No! 'cause heaven or valhalla forbid, you would do something to fix things yourself lol, thats kinda not how the market works.. Cheaper ones are bought instantly and the more pricey ones sell slowly, but they still set the benchmark. And if you were selling gtc's, wld u really think, hmm im gonna sell my gtc for 200 mill less just coz im nice? Im just glad i dont buy the damn things x) Awesome EVE history
TimGascoigne	Posted - 2008.09.22 15:06:00 - [99] there is nothing wrong as soon as people realise just how lucrative GTCs are the uptake in traders will increase which will reduce the in game value. what we are seeing is a classic supply and demand bubble.
Tellenta Gallente Invicta.	Posted - 2008.09.22 15:33:00 - [100] This entire thread just needs a blanket "no u"
Banana Torres Look Ma I did a Test	Posted - 2008.09.22 15:38:00 - [101] Well, the price for a GTC seems to be 400m-500m now. I bet the OP doesn't change the title of the fred.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.09.22 17:01:00 - [102] Moved to Market Discussions. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.22 17:05:00 - [103] To the OP's subject. If you don't like the price of GTC's stop buying them... That's the best way to make the price drop
Laya Rale	Posted - 2008.09.22 17:14:00 - [104] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto people alt post making fake GTC transactions to drive prices up. Some people might do that but the fact remains that as long as people are willing to pay high prices the price of GTC's will remain high. Yesterday I decided to sell two of my spare GTC's, for what I thought was a ridiculous price, as an experiment to see how the GTC market behaved. I didn't expect it to be sold that quickly (KIAEddz you rich bastard lol) but they did. As soon as people saw mine get sold quickly they upped their prices to match mine or go even higher. After a while nobody seemed to be buying GTC's and the first 10 posts were all WTS posts. As can be expected, the sudden competition made everyone edit their post to match the nearest competitor selling just below them. After an hour the prices dropped 50M and sales started picking up. During the few hours I was watching the GTC market I noticed that if you are patient enough you can buy a GTC for very cheap. Some people sold GTC's for 400M when the competition was at 480-500M. So if you want cheap GTC's just be patient and watch the market. If you don't have patience and you're ready to pay the full price then don't complain. Oh and here's a free tip to make easy money for all of those that buy GTC's with real money: buy your GTC the same way you usually do and instead of applying the GTC directly to your account simply sell it for high and then buy another for cheap. You can easily make 10-50M and still end up with adding time to your account.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.22 19:15:00 - [105] i dont know about you guys, but i lost several million dollars on lehman brothers and i no longer have 15 dollars. the debt collectors are going to repossess my eve character soon enough.
Che Geo	Posted - 2008.09.22 19:40:00 - [106] Originally by: mazzilliu i dont know about you guys, but i lost several million dollars on lehman brothers and i no longer have 15 dollars. the debt collectors are going to repossess my eve character soon enough. To you I say... HA HA... Why did you have several million dollars all in one place, and that several million is enough to trigger a debt collector. Sounds like you should have spread out those millions and lowered your possible risk. To the OP, it's easy enough... If you don't like the price... Don't buy em!
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.22 20:11:00 - [107] Edited by: mazzilliu on 22/09/2008 20:12:31 Originally by: Che Geo Originally by: mazzilliu i dont know about you guys, but i lost several million dollars on lehman brothers and i no longer have 15 dollars. the debt collectors are going to repossess my eve character soon enough. To you I say... HA HA... Why did you have several million dollars all in one place, and that several million is enough to trigger a debt collector. Sounds like you should have spread out those millions and lowered your possible risk. To the OP, it's easy enough... If you don't like the price... Don't buy em! i spread out my investments... i had a few million in lehman brothers, couple mil in AIG, mil in fannae mae. i guess i shouldnt have taken out those mortgages on those dozen or so houses(i forget how many) right now i'm posting while under a bridge stealing wifi from a starbucks.
GPszith Gallente Gypsy Productions	Posted - 2008.09.23 02:35:00 - [108] Originally by: Algey Originally by: Strill I just checked and there were several threads with people selling lumps of GTCs for 425k. It looks to me like the prices are going down. Shush you, the world is ending, ending etc..... haha:) I saw a thread of 30 gtc for 350 each today. Just missed the last one too:( -------------------------------------------------- -GPszith wtb a sig
Mistress Mayhem Caldari Solitude Empires OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.23 11:47:00 - [109] I'm a single mother with 8 children, I can't 'get a job' as looking after my babies is a full time job in it's own right. I can't afford 650m isk for a gtc so my account will have to go into hibernation until such time as prices come down. I have tried getting the children to mine for me but they just get it yet, have you ever tried explaining to a 2 year old that megacyte is better than tritanium it's not easy believe me. MM
BlameMike	Posted - 2008.09.23 12:03:00 - [110] This is simple: 1) People who are selling GTC's have a set $-to-ISK ratio. If that ratio is not met, they won't sell. Thus, a little under $40 bought a 90-day GTC, it now buys a 60-day GTC, but they're going to be sold at (approximately) the same price. 2) As soon as 1) takes hold, demand goes up by 50%, because people who used to spend an amount (X) on a 90-day GTC now spend it on a 60-day. 3) As demand goes up, the feedback loop closes and prices go up still further. Anyone who expected prices for 60-day GTC's to stabilize at those of 90-day GTC's simply hadn't thought it through.
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.23 12:06:00 - [111] Or pay 12 euro's for a month, or pay 500m isk... If you find 500m isk too much (which it isn't) then just pay that ridiculous low amount of money, what it is, really. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Ji Sama Caldari Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.09.23 13:59:00 - [112] Originally by: Mistress Mayhem I'm a single mother with 8 children, I can't 'get a job' as looking after my babies is a full time job in it's own right. I can't afford 650m isk for a gtc so my account will have to go into hibernation until such time as prices come down. I have tried getting the children to mine for me but they just get it yet, have you ever tried explaining to a 2 year old that megacyte is better than tritanium it's not easy believe me. MM wtf? "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.09.23 14:33:00 - [113] Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: Mistress Mayhem I'm a single mother with 8 children, I can't 'get a job' as looking after my babies is a full time job in it's own right. I can't afford 650m isk for a gtc so my account will have to go into hibernation until such time as prices come down. I have tried getting the children to mine for me but they just get it yet, have you ever tried explaining to a 2 year old that megacyte is better than tritanium it's not easy believe me. MM wtf? I know, pathetic that she couldn't get her kids mining megacyte! Mine were doing it at one and a half and by 2 started taking over the T2 module markets!
Relyen Caldari Dead Flesh Corp Rigor Mortis Mortalis	Posted - 2008.09.23 14:36:00 - [114] I have 5 accounts and I just pay for all of them. :P Be surprised, just save a few dollars here, a few dollars there, and you'll find EVE is fairly easy to afford. Same as saving in game isk, course I'm no good at that for some reason. ________________________________
simon perry	Posted - 2008.09.23 21:05:00 - [115] Edited by: simon perry on 23/09/2008 21:05:25 Originally by: 21 Salvager Reply to GTC prices and amount sold: Needs analysis by Dr. EyjoG if you want some real analysis. shut up & get out of my thread... dont wanna talk about it here then go some where else but dont advertise your fail thread :)
SugeR RusH Caldari Red.	Posted - 2008.09.24 10:51:00 - [116] Edited by: SugeR RusH on 24/09/2008 10:52:28 Originally by: Mistress Mayhem I'm a single mother with 8 children, I can't 'get a job' as looking after my babies is a full time job in it's own right. I can't afford 650m isk for a gtc so my account will have to go into hibernation until such time as prices come down. I have tried getting the children to mine for me but they just get it yet, have you ever tried explaining to a 2 year old that megacyte is better than tritanium it's not easy believe me. MM lol... im glad im not the only one that tried that :P

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